What would modern music sound like if Germany had won the second world war?

What would modern music sound like if Germany had won the second world war?

They considered jazz to be degenerate African-American music and they actively suppressed it within Germany. With jazz verboten throughout the world, it's hard to see how rock and roll and its many offshoots could have appeared.

Perhaps its possible that electronic music would have still come about, but its roots were already laid in the 1920s by Soviet national Léon Theremin, a figure unlikely to gain prominence in a victorious post-war Germany.

In general, I don't believe it's accurate to say that the Nazis hated modern aesthetics in all its forms. In fact they embraced architectural and cinematic forms which were quite progressive for their time. So, how would German music have evolved?

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>no rap, metal, punk, hiphop and other retarded negroid genres
Frankly that would be heaven.

It would be all orchestral type stuff.

While I do believe to be true, I still think that, because of human nature, subjects of the Nazi regime (worldwide or not) would still be on the never ending quest for the next new sound. Orchestral music would probably get heavier and we would most likely still see a rock movement but with long instrumental pieces.

Firstly, jazz was never completely erased during ww2. Nazi's preferred to use the method of persuasion, rather than straight out banning. Jazz remained in existence, and was even pretty popular in some instances.
As for the question of what music would be like if the Nazi's had won the war, it is mostly unknowable, but I believe that rock music would definitely still exist in some form for numerous reasons.
As for electronic music, this could be hard to say. It is a fact that countries like Germany, Italy, and France greatly contributed to electronic music after shortly after WW2, but we have to think about how the Nazi's would have viewed it. The futurism art movement (which was started by Italian fascists) received some criticisms from some Germans for being degenerate and not traditional enough, while others thought it was forward-thinking and ambitious. I would place it in the same boat as this.
While we're on the subject, communists in Russia and China did a far more effective job at banning music. Especially China.

Honestly, nazis were turboplebs

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That's right user, professor Schekelbaum told me that jazz is a high class patrician music and only plebs listen to Mozart and Beethoven.

They certainly weren't when it came to classical music. Germany is well known for having many of the greatest and most important composers and conductors of all time. Keep in mind that there were in fact still people alive from the Romantic period during the 30's and 40's

Define won
Do they conquer America or what

>It's good because it's old!
>I am le redpilled!
Marinetti is spinning in his fucking grave

This.

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Truly something for an underdeveloped mind.

Not that guy and neither am I defending the Nazis but you're a fucking retard if you think people only like Mozart because his music is old.

Most cpnductors did not like the Nazis. Furtwangler was furious at Hitler for how many composers and conductors fled into exile because of the Nazis. Strauss was on their bad side too.

Oh course. I like Mozart. He's one of if not the best example of culture from his time. That doesn't excuse turbo autist like the Nazis that insist that new genres cannot be good, not on artistic merit, but because they are new

Hehe

Jazz music is pretty diverse nowadays. Just look for jazz fussion and avoid free jazz until you understand its roots generally.

Jazz audience are mostly people with experience with other genres such as pop, rock, classical music, etc. Lots of people have interiorized the chords and generic scales-armonic sounds, so it's kind of hard to look for new original armonic sets of progressions.

No rap, rock, metal, or any music deemed degenerate and offensive, I would miss Jazz though
The high class music would still be largely orchestral, the average, everyday 'pop' music would probably be based on folk music, or piano and violin based melodic music, basically a very European form of /comfy/
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European medieval music is unironically better than any of the pop shit produced in the 20th century.

Gay and boring

Maricón.

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Would music lead to the decay of a Nazi empire?

this feels like all those generic female vocalists and acoustic guitar covers of nirvana

t. can't have fun

Yet another reason to burn down churches.

>not wanting musical variety
>larping as a Nazi
>using classical music to make-believe like you have class

This thread is full of wehrboos pretending they're are anything other than fedora turboautists. Why don't you broaden your musical horizons and listen to a lot of stuff you unforgivable plebs.

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it would sound like kraftwerk or rammstein

wow, this literal propaganda that makes no attempt at giving the whole picture sure convinced me

Jazz wasn't banned in Germany, if I remember correctly this piece of propaganda was set up by some german governor/mayor who hated jazz himself, but it doesn't reflect the opinion of nazis as a whole.

Nazis radio was mixing jazz with antisemite speech.
it is shown that a humble melody will convince you to do the worst crimes

I don't see how jazz doesn't still exist in that case. Lots of it is heavily related to the big band stuff which is just more lounge-like orchestral stuff.

>On a yellow-orange background, the large painting (8 feet high and 6 feet wide) depicts a black woman wearing a blue robe, a traditional attribute of the Virgin Mary. The work employs mixed media, including oil paint, glitter, and polyester resin, and also elephant dung, map pins and collaged pornographic images. The central Black Madonna is surrounded by many collaged images that resemble butterflies at first sight, but on closer inspection are photographs of female genitalia; an ironic reference to the putti that appear in traditional religious art. A lump of dried, varnished elephant dung forms one bared breast, and the painting is displayed leaning against the gallery wall, supported by two other lumps of elephant dung, decorated with coloured pins: the pins on the left are arranged to spell out "Virgin" and the one on the right "Mary".

Such beauty, such grace. A great homage to her heritage, her parents must be so proud of her.

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Wait, so what is your solution? Ban any art that is found detrimental to the people?

Really speaks to the emotional and mental weakness of the Nordic people in your image if they're that easily converted to degeneracy by art.

Electro-wagner

We would all be super evolved space conquestidors and music would be irrelevant.

>music would be irrelevant.

>Nordic man
>shows roman and greeks statues
Wait what, didn't you fuckers help with the destruction of rome ?

It has nothing to do with being old or new. Jazz is shit because it's literally nigger music.

Hope you really like classical.

>n general, I don't believe it's accurate to say that the Nazis hated modern aesthetics in all its forms. In fact they embraced architectural and cinematic forms which were quite progressive for their time.

Not true, anything that was innovative or related to the expressionist movement was banned, even though several of the authors and artists originally supported the far right in Germany only to be backstabbed later for not being neoclassical

Yeah, Stravinsky comes to mind.

>we would most likely still see a rock movement but with long instrumental pieces
A world where progressive rock is the only rock? Now there's an argument for "the good guys lost" that I can get behind.

Why does everybody hate prog rock?

it is bloated and self-indulgent

Don't act like electric cello solos wouldn't be rad.

Jew?

Richard Wagner on repeat.

Someone have that screencap from /mu/ explaining how pleb the nazis were when it comes to music?

Nah, I just have yet to see an electric cello(or other classical string instruments for that matter).

>Really speaks to the emotional and mental weakness of the Nordic people in your image if they're that easily converted to degeneracy by art.
>HAHA you think X is bad for people? You must be weak!

Everytime with you degenerates. Be it drugs, pornography, music, movies, or art, you ALWAYS try to imply your opponent is some how weak for not appreciating filth.

most music would be darker, as they changed the tone we tune our instruments to, A used to be at 432 Hz, and they shifted it to 440 Hz

What does that sound like?

Lower pitched.

Does it sound cool?

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>I like both
What does this mean?

It's from Veeky Forums. Just search in the archive with the keyword 'NSDAP' and 'music'.

There's nothing wrong with not appreciating it. There is something wrong with wanting the state to ban it because you don't like it.

one ear is jewish, the other aryan

music in general is pretty degenerate, people have ear phones on their head constantly are always the worst kind of people without exception, constantly having a need to be stimulated by music is a sign of low iq

So it's shit because of reasons that have nothing to do with music? Wehracucks are cringier than their idols

Do you literally spend you entire life ensuring that everything you consume has literally no connection to black people?

You're literally the white version of those people who complain about literature being full of dead white dudes. Congratulations on being that incredibly petty and childish.

Well, that's just like, your opinion man.

So you want the state to tell you what things you are allowed to look at and what things you aren't allowed to?

some "art" should be illegal tbqh

>no jazz
>no blues
>no rock
>no metal
>no hip hop
>no any type of good modern music at all

hitler was literally the "music defener" of his time. a cringey, "born in le wrong generation XD" edgelord. the type of kid who would be wearing a fedora, oversized jeans, sneakers, and listening to the beatles over and over on his ipod in middle school while autistically lashing out on people that make fun of his sanctimonious, "better than you" attitude while simultaneously being a retarded socially inept sperg.

enjoy listening to the same 4 wagner pieces on repeat, stormfags.

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Which types? If you're referring to the type that takes advantage of young children or those who don't want to be part of it (child porn and legitimate rape porn) then you're right.

However, too often I hear people calling for the banning of stuff like Piss Christ or what posted.

>beatles
Joe Cocker's cover of With a little help from my friends is beautiful.

>Bloated
Yeah
>Self-indulgent
So?

>punk
Rock hasn't been black since Elvis

>metal
>What's NSBM?

>ensuring that everything you consume has literally no connection to black people
Besides music that's not really hard to do.

>Wehracucks
>using reddit lingo

>what's NSBM
Subhuman LARPers playing nigger music while screeching about how much they hate niggers?

And anime is made by a bunch of buck toothed, greased hair, slanty eyed sons of bitches, yet here you are in Veeky Forums

I don't like anime.

The Japanese are honorary Aryans

Only a few niggers are able to make good jazz. If you knew about it, you would notice it.

And yet you're on Veeky Forums

>These non whites are okay because daddy Adolf said so!

As a (((((((((((((((((ju))))))))))))) I'd be hard pressed to find more than 0.1% of us who like or make this kind of stuff. Get fucked wehraboo.

So what? I don't have to like it.

>Everything I don't like is filth

You realize that most top tier Nazis were Atheists, Pagans, and Spiritualists, and that while Hitler outwardly kept good relations to the Deutsche Christen he actually hated the church to the core and had a plan in place to destroy it after the Endsieg, and that Himmler planned to replace it with a "cult of the Teutons" that would have had pagan SS priests?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany#Nazi_views_on_Catholicism

If you think Christianity would have survived the Nazis winning the war, you are a massive retard.

>what would music sound like?

100x better

>haha fucking turboplebs, they can't understand the deep artistic significance of Gucci Mayne and other non white music artists, lol I'm so glad i listen to diverse music I hate being white I'm so tolerant and cultured

Do you really think people give a shit about the ethnicity of artists over the actual music they create?

If I want to listen to someone masturbating I can open up pornhub

This is why Italian Fascism will always be better than poor dumb Nazi scum
Niggas had noise musicians in their ranks

he's projecting

So liking chan-style websites despite the fact that are originally Japanese is fine, but liking jazz because it's originally black isn't?

>good
>modern music

The state already does man.

>Do you really think people give a shit about the ethnicity of artists over the actual music they create?
Of course they do.
If they didn't hip-hop would not be dominated by African Americans. "Authenticity" is a huge component of the genre and most people aren't able to suspend their disbelief and believe Joe White Rapper is a respected figure in the African American criminal underworld.

Not really, so long as it's not child pornography other work that deeply impacts the subject of the work I can look at anything.

Do you have any good evidence to back that up?

Like anybody likes any jazz that isn't decades older than themselves.

Except that one of the biggest selling rap artists of all time is a white dude. Eminem's whiteness never slowed him down from becoming one of the most respected rappers of all time. Really, the biggest reason rap is dominated by black people is because rap tends to be urban and focus on the issues of poverty and racism. This makes the underlying themes in rap more receptive to the poor black community.

That's the beauty of fascism. Every nation is to have it's own version that suits it's peoples and their temperaments. Diversity.

It would be cold and soulless, just like Germans.

That's the beauty of fascism. Every nation is to have it's own version that suits the state and its temperaments. Diversity.

fixed that for you.