Was the French Revolution the best thing to happen to France?

Was the French Revolution the best thing to happen to France?

Before
>degenerate shithole
>literally broke
>court is full of decadence, orgies while the people starve
>rulers don't give a shit, don't even try to fix the issue
>lost all their colonies

After
>an empire that essentially ruled Europe for a good awhile
>Based Napoleon, restored morals to the French people
>introduced a new nobility that actually cared for its people
>to this day Napoleon and his regime are respected even by their most ardent enemies - Britain and Russia
>even after Napoleon fell, his successor saw unprecedented restoration of French power world-wide

Why is Bourbon France such a fucking embarrassment? Reminder that Bourbon France made it a thing that white surrender flag is associated with the French. kek.

Here's your reply yo your absolute abortion of a post.

Not an argument

I unironically agree. Bourbon France was a rotting corpse and Revolution put it out of its misery.

I'd argue Tsarist Russia was the same. It's ironic, but while the Bolsheviks and Jacobins both seemingly had anti-Christian rhetoric and ideology, in reality their moves brought back the much wanted and needed conservative values to their respective countries.

And it wasn't just Stalin and Napoleon, there are a lot of revolutionaries in both eras that were very much against the debaucheries of the Russian and French courts, respectively. It's kind of a thing why the Brits try to keep moral excesses and abuse of authority at a minimum and shit like Edward VIII's flings resulted in forcing him to abdicate [spoiler]and why MI6 rightfully dealt with Diana as was needed to be done[/spoiler]

>>degenerate shithole
>>literally broke
>>court is full of decadence, orgies while the people starve
>>rulers don't give a shit, don't even try to fix the issue
>>lost all their colonies
True
>an empire that essentially ruled Europe for a good awhile
5 years top.After that there was only decadence and a huge demographic collapse
>Based Napoleon, restored morals to the French people
Nope.
>introduced a new nobility that actually cared for its people
We will never know as it lasted almost nothing
>to this day Napoleon and his regime are respected even by their most ardent enemies - Britain and Russia
And? France was widely respected in the XVIII century
>even after Napoleon fell, his successor saw unprecedented restoration of French power world-wide
Kek.Nope it was the opposite if anything.France stoped being the European hegemon and became a shadow of what it was.
France was decadent and the revolution just speeded up the process

>5 years top.After that there was only decadence and a huge demographic collapse
Because there was a Bourbon restoration. Literally right after Napoleon fell, Bourbons were restored.

>And? France was widely respected in the XVIII century
So is America in the 20th and 21st, doesn't mean it isn't decadent.

>Kek.Nope it was the opposite if anything.France stoped being the European hegemon and became a shadow of what it was.
it was already a shadow of its former self right before the Revolution. It was Saudi Arabia tier where decadent nobles did as they pleased and the people starved.

>And? France was widely respected in the XVIII century
hahaha

>hahaha
It was the most powerful country at the time.

>Because there was a Bourbon restoration. Literally right after Napoleon fell, Bourbons were restored
The bourbons didn't cause the demographic collapse.Napoleon did
>doesn't mean it isn't decadent.
I alredy told you that France was decadent but post revolution France was even more decadent

>The bourbons didn't cause the demographic collapse.Napoleon did
Obviously because there was a fucking war. People die in wars, it was a proto-World War where many people on both sides died.

>post revolution France was even more decadent
Wrong, a lot of morals upheld by the lower classes were brought up and forced to be upheld by the new and old aristocrats alike.

>literally broke

All the revolutionaries did to solve this was introduce inefficient tax systems and then write off public debt(ironically a sign of despotic rule). Napoleon only solved this partially through profit by conquest, which was obviously not sustainable. When he did introduce tax reform to get revenue, it was by reverting to the systems of the ancien regime e.g. the salt tax.

As mentioned by another poster Napoleon's wars caused a catastrophic demographic crisis in the 19th century that ensured France's position as a second or even third rate power in the future.

The revolution had pros and cons but by choosing one side and championing it out of ignorance you are making yourself look like an idiot my man.

Bourbons also fucked Spain too. They only cared for power.

Are you serious? We're talking 18th Century, not 15th-16th. The French colonial army got crushed by a bunch of English colonists that never before fought anything more fearsome than a Native American. Fucking Prussians fighting on several fronts managed to crush them in Europe. France was a fucking joke and the laughing stock of Europe.

I'm not saying Napoleon and the Jacobins before him were great. Napoleon was a glory hound and the war with all of Europe was completely unnecessary and brought about a demographics crisis, I'm not denying this. However what they did was way better than the Bourbons before them.

This. Bourbons are literally one of the worse dynasties, second only to the Romanovs. If you want an argument against monarchy, show them either Bourbon France or late-Romanov Russia. Wilhelm II of Germany fits too I guess.

Let's not forget France's coffers were so empty after that war that Marie Antoinette and her cuck husband "The King" of France Louis XVI LITERALLY had the soldiers eat cake instead of get regular payments. This is because he wasted all the money on funding the British colonists that destroyed France in the previous war.

Just LMAOing at the Bourbons senpai.

A lot of memes and middle-school history. The Bourbons were not the absolute monarchist they're portrayed as. They were actively trying to reform the tax system to make it more evenly distributed, but the Parlements fought against them.

Hilariously enough the Parlements portrayed the situation as the monarchy oppressing the people, when the Parlements were the ones who wanted to keep the oppressive tax system intact. And the people bought it, and supported the Parlements. Famous events like the day of the tiles have the people aggressively defending redistributing the tax burden.

>aggressively defending redistributing the tax burden.
not redistributing*

>The Bourbons were not the absolute monarchist they're portrayed as. They were actively trying to reform the tax system to make it more evenly distributed, but the Parlements fought against them.

ye so they wasted all their money on pointless foreign adventures, lost all of France's holdings in North America (which were way more profitable than anything France got after, so Bourbons are singlehandedly responsible for France's decline in terms of geopolitical power) while also holding orgies and other forms of degeneracy while their people starved

Bourbons were libertines that brought French society to a moral collapse while also proceeding to bankrupt the country. It doesn't matter how willing they were to reform, the people bought what the Parlements were selling because the Bourbons made themselves so fucking despised that even when they tried to do some good things, people wouldn't have any of it.

>Are you serious?
Yes
> We're talking 18th Century
A century in which France won most of the continental wars
>not 15th-16th
Those were worse centuries for France.
> The French colonial army got crushed by a bunch of English colonists that never before fought anything more fearsome than a Native American.
Oh so you are an American deluded retard that drank the kool-aid that Britain was the most powerful country in Europe? France had 10k people in total in Louisiana you dumbfuck.Britain lost almost every war in the XVIII century except the 7 years war
> Fucking Prussians fighting on several fronts managed to crush them in Europe. France was a fucking joke and the laughing stock of Europe.
You only barely know anything about 1 war and you are trying to school me? You are dumb as fuck.Read a book retard

When your opponents are a bunch of tiny German counts, victory is nothing to be proud of. 18+. And no, Britain was most definitely not the most powerful country in Europe, however Bourbons took a powerful country and led it to a complete and total collapse. I'm not saying France was total shit, but Bourbon rule led it towards that. How about you learn to read?

>When your opponents are a bunch of tiny German counts, victory is nothing to be proud of
So Austria and Britain are tiny German counties? Wow you sure sound smart. >And no, Britain was most definitely not the most powerful country in Europe, however Bourbons took a powerful country and led it to a complete and total collapse.
No they didn't
> I'm not saying France was total shit, but Bourbon rule led it towards that. How about you learn to read?
You said that no one respected France

They "wasted" all their money in what every European powers "wasted" their money on I.E power playing. The Bourbons just couldn't mobilize the countrys wealth because over half of the land was untaxable. They were trying to change this but the Parlements actively fought against it which ended up destroying both.

I get that it's funny to meme around but you guys clearly don't know much of what you're talking about.

They respected France, until Bourbons turned it into a joke. How about read some books on foreign relations on how Bourbons were viewed? Complete and total degenerates.

If they had popular support, they could've won the battle over the Parlaments but the facts are that they were hated, because they led their country to ruin. Bourbons acted at the wrong time and couldn't perceive what was about to happen. Overconfident, out of touch, libertine, inbreds are how one can easily describe a Bourbon.