How close is modern-day Judaism to the ancient faith depicted in the bible?

How close is modern-day Judaism to the ancient faith depicted in the bible?

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Judaism is not an unified religion, it has many branches
Orthodox Judaism is closest to traditional old testament Judaism, while kabbalism is hard to describe as Judaism at all

Pretty close, obviously there a bunch of commandments modern Jews can't fulfill because there is no Temple.

Samaritanism is much more close to ancient Israelite religion pre-Babylon.

Judaism was ruined after Ezra.

Depends on which part of the 'bible' you are talking about because Judaism went through several major changes.

It was originally a polytheistic culture in which Yahweh (the Jewish name for god) was just one god among many. It didn't revolve around scripture (much of which didn't exist) but around shrines and fertility rites and sacrifice (including human) and so forth. The early books of the bible reflect this, with the oldest portions of the text being polytheistic (later combined inconsistently with later written monotheistic texts). For example, in Genesis Yahweh (god) speaks of making man in our (plural) likeness, he specifically commands that his followers worship no other gods but him, etcetera. Modern Judaism is unlike this early ancient faith because it is strictly monotheistic, revolves around scripture, and has lost most of its sacrificial elements (circumcision is one of the few still practiced although modern Jews would deny/reject that it is sacrificial in nature).

Later in their history (about ~550BCE) the Jews got fucked up and many exiled to Babylon, and when these Jews returned from exile they had developed a new version of the faith that was strictly monotheistic, messianic, priestly, and based on scripture (being the 'bible' that they compiled at that time). This religion is much closer to that depicted in later books of the 'bible' (which were written in that time), including the many books of prophesy. Even so there were many different Jewish sects that emerged out of this change - Judaism was more diverse than it is today. One dominant sect accepted the 'bible' as the only authoritative scripture, another dominant sect accepted both the 'bible' and an oral tradition. In about 100CE the former one sect got BTFO and so the latter sect survived and wrote down their oral tradition and commentaries (that themselves became authoritative) over time (~200CE - 1000CE). So modern Jews have moved with the times but are still recognisably close to it.

Fairly close I guess

Keep in mind that the Judaism we know today is actually a fairly recent religion, or at least, incarnation.

I kind of like Judaism to be honest. If I had to convert to a religion, it would be that.

It never was a unified a religion, it wasn't even monotheistic in origin.
youtube.com/watch?v=V006bX4mlu4

>it wasn't even monotheistic in origin

Kind of. They weren't monotheists as in they believed other Gods existed, just that YHWH was the best one. From Archeological digs on Israelite homes there are a lot of Asherahs and other Canaanite deities being worshipped

The faith depicted in the Bible already isn't real Israelite faith. This guy is right:

Yahweh came from East Africans essentially, via Midianites.

The story of Tzippora the Midianite was marrying into Judaism this monotheistic tradition, the power of her people's faith (sending away an angel sent to kill Moses) and the disfigurement of Moses' sister Miriam who challenged his marriage to an African are keys to this.

I know this sounds crazy WEWUZbut the Midianite Yahweh theory is quite mainstream. It also is talking about a semiticizing East African population which several east African groups are.

Zipporah wasn't African

Moses had another wife who was Nubian

judaism is hindu

>pseudepigraphic work which pretends to be a revelation from God communicated through R. Simeon ben Yoḥai

> the country in which the work originated it is necessary to ascertain where and when the Jews became intimately acquainted with the Hindu philosophy, which more than any other exercised an influence on the Zohar

>only to the Hindus...Aryabhatta in the first century before the common era... the Vedanta school of the Hindu philosophers ... so many admirers as in Persia in the eighth century. Under its influence the Mohammedans of Persia founded many mystic sects(Sufis). This hindu mystic movement did influence upon the Persian Jews, various sects('Isawites, the Yudghanites, etc.,) based on Vedanta philosophy. Thus the Yudghanites abstained from meat, led ascetic lives, set aside the literal meaning of the Torah for a supposed mystic interpretation, and believed in metempsychosis, etc. All these sects had their sacred writings, which they kept secret; and these writings formed the Zohar, which is a mystic commentary on the Pentateuch, as the upanishads are the mystic interpretation of the Vedas and other Brahmanic scriptures. In its peregrinations from Persia to Spain the Zohar probably received many additions and interpolations, among which may have been the various names of the Tannaim and Amoraim, as well as the allusions to historical events.

jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/15278-zohar

is there any truth to this guys?

>someone should make a thread full of /pol/ screencaps to see if there is any veracity to them

The Kingdom of Israel was split apart because of these wars.

King David destroyed various Jewish tribes and went to war with the other Jewish kingdom.

during the 2nd temple, there was a Jewish conflct between Pharisees (talmudists/rabbinicals), Saducees (non-talmudists/original Jews). Jews again fought eachother.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots_(Judea)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii

2nd Temple Jewish groups:

Sadducees (from Tzadik aka the Wise ones) were a continuation of 1st Temple Judaism and followed the original religion of Ancient Israel. Sadducees were the intelligent class, consisting of educated and scholared leaders.

Pharisees (revisionists) your average peddlers, merchants - the common plebs. The Zealots/Sicarii were part of this group of uneducated plebs who made many persistent and violent attempts to remove the educated Sadducees and replace the original Jewish laws with their own revisionism (talmudism/rabbinism).

So did the Pharisees succeed in taking out the Sadducees? It just seems that the Talmudists are more prevalent than the latter, what are some major differences between the two?

According to Nehemiah Gordon, the Pharisees, for example, "do not follow the calendar given to the People of Israel in the Tanach".[63] Making this worse, the Pharisees "were influenced by the pagan Babylonian religion" when they began to follow their calendar.[64] "During their sojourn in Babylonia our ancestors began to use the pagan Babylonian month names, a fact readily admitted in the Talmud: “The names of the months came up with them from Babylonia.” (Jerusalem Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 1:2 56d)"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_Talmud

Judaism stopped existing c. AD 70 with the fall of the Second Temple. One former sect, the Pharisees, cobbled together a bogus "oral law" and wrote the Talmud between AD 100 and 500 and called themselves "Jews." They formed an entirely new religion. They replaced the Tanakh with the Talmud (that's right, "Jews" don't even follow the Old Testament). They didn't have a Temple anymore (which real Judaism needed to exist). They didn't have a Priesthood anymore (they replaced priests with rabbis lol). All of their beliefs and practices were fabrications. It simply isn't the same religion.

I heard Yemeni Jews preserve some of the oldest customs such as their way of tying tefillin. The Habbani Jews might have the older traditions while the mainstream Yemeni Jews might have post second temple Babylonian traditions.
youtu.be/9Bkj0Y8WCPg

There is no mention of a second wife. It seems like you went on Wikipedia or read something from Chabad.

> We also detect 3%–5% sub-Saharan African ancestry in all eight of the diverse Jewish populations that we analyzed. For the Jewish admixture, we obtain an average estimated date of about 72 generations. This may reflect descent of these groups from a common ancestral population that already had some African ancestry prior to the Jewish Diasporas

journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

The story of Tzippora and Moses is a story of two peoples forming a unified monotheistic and talmudic Judaism incorporating YHWH, superseding El and incorporating semiticized populations of the northern Red Sea coast into biblical cultural geography.

It's easy for goyim to think the Torah are just random stories but the Torah formation was meticulous, precise and intentional especially if we are to consider Judaisms evolution to the predominate tradition today globally.

what is habad? are you from azerbaijan? are you a jeweler?

>this what Christians need to believe to make their heresy look more ancient

Live in Israel. Outside of orthodox, most shops are closed on Shabbat and roads are a lot less busy. Some follow kosher Some don't, buy pizza places don't have meat toppings. Orthodox fags take up all the bus seats with their armies of children.

חב"ד

You fool Chabad, they have a very narrow and extremely biased interpretation of text given their ultimate intents