Arranged marriages were just a society wide buddy system that revolved around pairing members of the opposite sex...

Arranged marriages were just a society wide buddy system that revolved around pairing members of the opposite sex together right? So why is the sexual free market considered progressive?

What is wrong with giving everybody a buddy they can love and have sex with? Why do socialists want to clothe and feed everyone but so vehemently defend the sexual free market?

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arranged marriages were only common among rich families. Commoners had 0 reason to arrange marriages.

>at least one of two of the paired together has no say in the matter
>free

Couldn't be more wrong.

Both options are fucking shit. The only right choice is family values, a return to the nuclear family. You being forced to marry someone you barely know is what caused libertine Kings to seek out whores, and women that could've been pure Queens to become whores. It was pretty fucking bad and why aristocracy was shit.

>cucklear family
American meme

Still exists in Eastern Europe and was promoted as a value in the USSR. Kys aristocrat-supporting degenerate. You probably fucking love the Sun King's court of decadence.

The problem with modern relationships is that people have a twisted view of what a marriage is good for and many people are not very smart in choosing partners.

It is not because a girl is attractive that it is a good idea to marry her. Yet, many people think that the most important part on marriage is attraction. Marriage would work best if people used their rationality more and their instincts less. But then, we are bombarded with 24 hours a day messages from Hollywood on how you should always choose your feelings, so I doubt many people will think hard about this.

I'm eastern european, cucklear family was never supported here. It was always multigenerational, I shared household with my grandparents, so did my parents, etc.

Extended family living is better.

Sorry, I more of conflate extended family and nuclear family into a whole thing with family values because of how many times the Americanist term is used. Anyway, you get the idea, be it the US version or the EE version, its about keeping to a family unit rather than being rampant degenerates having a time of being 'young, wild and free!'.

I'm not him, but I believe when he mentions nuclear family, he is saying "biological parents living together with their kids", instead of the "step-parent carousel".

Yeah, see In general I mean, arranged marriages are equally as bad as degenerate behaviour you see today because it doesn't support family as a unit of love, culture and tradition, but rather as a form of business. Lots of wealthy people still go for arranged marriages these days, its just that they have better PR about it now.

Peasant marriages used to be arranged too, not just aristocrats.

Not saying they weren't, but there was still an actual measure of attraction. You got to at least know the girl. Feudalism was pretty fucking horrible overall and those that glorify it have watched too much GoT.

The best period in history for society, culture and progress was arguably all of 19th century to up to the first World War.

It depends on how the parents choose who their kids will marry.

There is a difference between:

- This guy is hard working, religious, kind, treats everyone well. I'm marrying my daughter to him.

and

- This guy has kids with 2 different women. He is alcoholic and he is famous for his pub fights. But his father is a potential political ally. I'm marrying my daughter to him.

[citation needed]

>- This guy has kids with 2 different women. He is alcoholic and he is famous for his pub fights. But his father is a potential political ally. I'm marrying my daughter to him.

Yes, that's my meaning. Selling off your children like livestock is equally degenerate as them selling themselves off as livestock and calling it sexual liberation.

>feudalism was horrible
It was comfy.

>posting a renovated farm
>claiming feudalism was comfy

if you love being a cuck to your local landlord who fucks your wife before marriage then i guess its a pretty great time

It's not a renovated farm, it's an authentic house in an open air museum.

>Eastern European Feudalism.
Even fucking worse.

Also
>landlord who fucks your wife before marriage
Literal meme. Sounds like the only person who watches too much Game of Cucks is you, since it portrays feudalism as a grimdark setting where nothing happens other than rape, murder and cucking.

But its pop pseudo-history like GoT that reinforces the fallacious idea that feudal society was crap. It was actually pretty good.

Stay mad commie.

chill with the ad-hom and use an actual argument, please.

You wouldn't be living in a house like that as a serf. You wouldn't own anything besides your wife, your children, your clothes and a portion of the crops you worked for, because your lord would own the land, a tenth of all crops within, utilities such as the mill you use to make flour, and you are bound to his land, as your children may be. Your house would be a shack or a mudhut. You'd share a (straw) bed with your entire family and next to filthy animals because you'd depend on animal heat to not freeze to death in the coldest nights. You'd almost certainly experience the death of one of your children. Giving birth is often fatal. Disease is rampant. As are raids, and violent death in general.

Well to be fair, peasants back then had more holidays than us and got free wine on Sundays.

But social mobility was rather fucked if you weren't born a noble.

Also you are wrong about the war thing. I mean the English were literally war criminals during the 100 years war and murdered peasants just to wreck the French economy.

But if you were a rich Jew money lender and the local lord hadn't expelled you, then well life wasn't that bad.

It's literally an authentic peasant's house from feudal period you retarded memester.

Sex is not a human right.

>Rich western peasant got nothing on Slav peasant

>Oh and this was drawing from 1850

Arranged marriages were to secure alliances or fathers to make money selling of their daughter.

>I will ignore reality and post my grimdark GoT fantasies about rape and war instead

Also, people back then just fucked around anyways.

Plenty of gay rulers had kids through their politically arranged marriages, but kept fucking men in the ass.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_royalty

Whut? Do Russian images of actual Russian serf homes trigger you or something?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia

Reverse search says the picture depicts a settlement in Kamchatka. Kamchatka is a remote colonial shithole in an arctic climate zone with no agriculture and the total human population there around that period was around 3000 people. Are you just pretending to be retarded or do you have an agenda to push? It's like me posting pic related (a small town in Alaska) and claiminig this is how the average Americans live.

Are you willfully ignorant?

Do you know what "Chevaunche" tactics are? It was a thing back then.

Also....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

Anything is fine with men its women who ruin everything.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe
As opposed to non-feudal WW1 and WW2? You sure showed me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>you cannot love feudalism, it was HORRIBLE! war everywhere!
>the two most disastrous conflicts in European history happened in the post-feudal era
You're a literal brainlet.

Are you really arguing that Russian serfs had a comfy life?

I mean invading Germans in WW2 would burn these Russian farm houses down for warmth because they'd rather stand out in the winter than sleep in lice and bed bug infested hovels.

-social mobility is a meme tho
-war in general is incredibly crap for the people whom it affects, that's not unique to any societal system
-life was pretty nice if you had a liege who wasn't utterly autistic, because everything was defined, your life meant something, you didn't need to achieve more, and you had a more-or-less guaranteed q.t. peasant wife.

>implying the USSR in the 1940s was feudal
Are you an Anglo or do you have some other mental malfunction?

More percentage of the population died in 1348 than both the World Wars combined.

And it literally was the result of poor hygiene and fear of cats.

The Jews... Who took baths didn't die of the plague as much.

Look. Feudalism was cool. I enjoy a good crusade, but don't kid yourself that you'd be more happy as a peasant back then then now.

I mean if I was a crusader or merchant that well things would be decent as long as I could take baths.

If I had a choice, I'd rather be a money lending Jew than a peasant.

You still didn't address the whataboutism that you seem to have a problem with.

Don't worry people with mental autismhave a problem with it. I recommend a fidget spinner

>I'd rather be a money lending Jew
Chances are you already are one.

You were the one to bring up "whataboutism", not me.

I think he's arguing for the ideal of feudalism, aka having with the most modern knowledge and technology, not for feudalism of medieval times.
Let us be honest with ourselves here, all lower class people from time immemorial until the late 1800s (and even afterwards) have had it crap. The question is just the specific ways in which it was crap.

Um. Chances are you settled for whatever peasant wife that was available since no one in the village had gone more than 5 miles away from the village in their life.

Luckily you got one with teeth and not too much hair and you weren't that related.

Maybe she'll help pick the lice out of your pube beard.

>Um.
>reddit spacing
>personal attacks
Bye reddit.

Nah desu. I pointed out the medieval tactic of "Chevaunche" which was the practice of avoiding places with walls and pillaging the country side.

Oh and buy pillage you stole everything you could carry to feed your army and then destroyed the rest to deny it to the enemy.

Henry was a war criminal.

>disregarding all of the main points for the side joke
>then ad homeniming like a champ

Git.

>Muh arguments don't hold up! Better attack his spacing!

And for some reason you assume all of feudalism is confined to the medieval period.

t. Reddit

Its hard to not to ad homimen when person doesn't have the reading comprehension to realize I was talking about peasants not him.

Unless he believes he is a real medieval peasant.

>I am a transpeasant!

That just says to me aristocracy were degenerates that needed to go.

True. Japanese had a good feudal system too.

Of course, again... Sucked to be a Japanese peasant.

But I'd rather be a nip peasant than a euro peasant.

At least they knew how to take baths.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsujigiri

In another time girl on the right could have been arranged marriaged to me if we were in the same villlage. It's not fair.

Not him, but there is a significant difference between rural and urban aristocrats. Rural aristocrats were almost always conservative and non-degenerate while the urbanites indulged in sodomy and drug orgies. A good example would be Ancien Regime France where all higher nobility moved to the cities, especially Paris.

Meant to say girl on the left.

Oh I know. Hardly ALL aristocrats were decadent degenerates, however its a very good argument why monarchy isn't as infallible as it claims to be. If I had to pick a monarch, I'd much rather one like Napoleon.

Ehhhhhh family pressure was a huge part of Western marriage rituals until this century even for lower class people

The rural values vs urban values debate is actually more meaningful than monarchy vs republic, because it can be applied to pretty much every civilization that ever existed.

>your life meant something
Plain delusion

>you didn't need to achieve more
Becuase it was nigh impossible in one generation.

>and you had a more-or-less guaranteed q.t. peasant wife.
Nice delusion, hard working women are anything but qt. Not to mention if she was qt, she'll marry upwards. You'll be left with the kind of woman you'll reject IRL.

wrong, arrange marriages were common among all levels of families. To tie bonds together, friendship, create more economic incentives, etc.

...

you're being baited. the guy literally wants to be a peasant.

>delusion
Meaning in life is a very powerful force, and one that can and will create great content/drive in one's soul. Also, church helps

>achieve more
No, because all that you truly need to be fulfilled (see above) such as house, family, food, work is already in front of you. In addition, society isn't blaring messages of consumerism and greed in your face all day erry day

>qt wife
Well, you're just off course here. If we recognize that the fit body is more attractive, then we can recognize that the average peasant woman (ignoring disease and malnutrition) is better looking than the average no-physical labor modern woman.

So your parents seriously never tried to set you up with the daughter of one of your friends? Arranged marriages still exist in the states, you're just allowed to say no.

That is not true. Nonetheless I don't agree with OP
Marriage in the past wasn't about love, or really fucking it was about having kids, Either to help out on the farm, the family business/trade, gain more land/wealth or to gain political advantage.
I will emphasize on legitimate children too.
Basically, people married because that's just what you did to survived. You needed a husband to help provide for you(women couldn't work much outside the home anyway) or a wife to help you out. More importantly make kids together to have more help
It wasn't about loving the person at all, it was all practical, like society was some type of machine.
If you want to go back to that, we'll be my guess. Ask you parents to arrange your marriage to an Indian or something.

The nuclear family was a break away from the traditonal extended family you freaking idiots. It was literally a meet to support American proto individualism . Forget your cousins, grandparents (they should all be in a nursing home anyway) uncles, and aunts. Let's live alone as an isolated "father mother daughter son house hold" that's not how families worked for the longest time.

>you freaking idiots
How am I an idiot for saying essentially the same thing as you, brainlet?

Also forgot to add, while arranged marriages do tend to last longer than non arranged, most of it is due to guilt tripping, not actual new find love. The parents invest so much into the marriage, that the children feel pressured to make the marriage work at all costs, even if they are unhappy.
Of course, not all arranged marriages are bad, it's just difficult to seriously say it is better.

>this is the ""'""knowledge""""" of the average Veeky Forums poster

>Warm environment
Kek During summer I guess. During winter, you'd be pushing all your pig into your house to keep you and your family from freezing to death.

Yes, because in the past, there was a magical cure for acne for everyone and tartar build up on teeth.
Enjoy your wife unkept hair and smelly rump which she could only bath a few times a month.

>you'd be pushing all your pig into your house to keep you and your family from freezing to death
It's almost magical how ignorant some of you are.

Instead of having the Jew fit into the oven, you can now have them just crawl on top of it instead!

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>Every peasant had a huge oven.
>Not just a time fire place
Sure thing, user.

Those stoves were actually pretty common even among the poorest of peasants living in huts.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oven

>during World War II some people escaped the Nazis by hiding in ovens

It means warm as in loving you autist

Maybe in 19th century Russia.
I'm talking about most of Europe in medieval period.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearth

Yeah, and love sure ain't gonna stop you from freezing your ass off in the winter though

Nice moving the goalposts cuck. Also the masonry heater technology is literally older than civlization itself, stop acting like it's some novelty.

lmao current year redditucks getting BTFO itt

Not gonna lie- I'd be willing to watch them consummate an arranged gay marriage.

>if you were born to feudalism you literally had to huddle with livestock to warm yourself because fire wasn't invented yet also your wife was constantly fucked by the king and you died of ebola by the time you reached twenty and there was never peace G-D BLESS AMERICA for overthrowing the king and bringing us freedom and TV and taco bell

go away plebbit

>implying the man had a say in the matter when the family decided for both the man and the woman

And roads are older than carriages, meanwhile many "roads", in the middle ages were under developed.

This

Your brain is underdeveloped

Yes, because a tiny fire place can make an entire house warm.
It's like you skipped over a sentence or two.

You're braindead if the fact that most peasants couldn't afford a giant stove, means it's a novelty.Thats like saying because a lot of peasants couldn't afford a horse it was a novelty. No bro, it was just expensive to build and keep up.

Most peasants DID have those giant stoves.
>afford
Ameribrainlet spotted. Do you think they bought them at Home Depot? They built them themselves for fuck's sake.

No shit. And materials? And keeping it up.