European Americans?

Because they founded and established the nation "America".

>european migrants who mostly just fucked each other are somehow different from europeans who did exactly the same

No, most white Americans are Ellis island immigrants. The founding fathers have more black descendants than white ones.

Because they're neither white nor european

>dyed hair
>brown skin

She isn't European, same goes for you

>german guy moves to america
>has kid with an irish born woman
>kid is genetically 100% white american

Explain?

Europeans don't go around bragging about how they're 1/16th Cherokee, and aren't morbidly obese

That's a tan you absolute shut-in.

Huh? How ignorant are you?

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>genes
How about different cultures and HISTORY?

culturally wise they're are different from us, that whole Cowboy culture exists in Southern USA and Northern Mexico while it doesn't exist in Europe

From an ethnic standpoint white Americans are not unique to america(s) and yet try to frame themselves as the "real Americans".

Ethnically they are identical. If you are pure blooded anything from the eastern side of he Atlantic than you are not ethnically American.

Way to strawman a very complex topic. Fuck off back to school.

>USA
>culture
nonexistent
>history
irrelevant for the most part, fucking shameful for periods that matter
wouldn't need to exist until 75 years ago and nobody would have noticed

Ethnicity ain't just genetic ancestry and even genetically they are Europeans, but their admixtures are completely different as the European groups in America mixed creating a genetic compound different from any other ethnicity in Europe

Except that NW Europeans are genetically very close to begin with so it's like mixing the color red with the color red and claiming it to be a new color.

Italians and Swedes ain't that similar, either way they are still culturally different

doe yeah, if blacks in American are called African-Americans then whites in American should be called European Americans

Because suddenly after the passing of a law in 1965 a bunch of other races flooded in, as the "nation of immigrants" America had initially were mainly europeans coming for work and they assimilated due to similar cultures, there was still plenty of friction though.

Naturally the more collectivist tendencies of the non-europeans caused visible shifts in the nation's overall ideology because of it, many did not want this and still do nit like it. They prefer more 1776-esque individualism. Not perfect, but it beats creeping socialism.

"This won't drastically shift the ethnic make up of the US."

Because we know our ancestry, blacks were kidnapped so they wouldnt know where they are from

Then that's the difference between them and the Europeans.

For one they have completely different cultural values from most Europeans, they are monolingual, and most of them aren't purely European by ancestry.

Also it is absurd to refer to people purely by their ancestral homeland. Should the descendants of the Franks be referred to by their northern and eastern antecedents? No, they call themselves Gauls, because that's where they live.

They weren't kidnapped they were sold.

They do know there ancestry. It is a mix of African and European unique to America, ethnogenesis means they are uniquely American, literal products of American history, simply American, while not having a long history, they would greatly benefit by owning their real identity rather than searching for one in Africa.

Every point you made applies to black Americans ten-fold, and yet the government and mainstream white america love to refer to them as African-American.

No they don't. They refer to themselves as Black. African American used to be the culturally sensitive term, but it is no longer. There are also African Americans who are actually from Africa, and the two groups have different values and generally detest each other.

They refer to themselves as black. But no white people say the word black when referring to them. They always say African-American.

???

>He doesn't know what a tan looks like

>But no white people say the word black when referring to them
I am a white person, and I call them black people
Now rescind your claim, or admit you were using hyperbole

Cowboy culture exists in spain, Portugal and Italy. How does it not exist in europe?

Bait/10

Apply yourself

to be fair all he said is that they were kidnapped, which is true, it was just by other africans.

Also being able to trace your family history from records with names and dates for centuries is different than having accurate records for maybe one century so you have to assume you were a mix of dozens of african countries and maybe a few europeans and native americans somewhere down the line.

Because "European" sounds racist and privileged.

They still weren't kidnapped. The were debtors, criminals, and POWs.

Lolno. Even that cunt on OP pic doesn't look like European.

The records are more than a century, and the euro lines go back quite a way.

White Americans and Black Americans are culturally closer to each other than either are to Europeans or Africans. You can deny it but it's true.

>most of them aren't purely European by ancestry
I'm not in any hurry to call myself "European American" but this is bullshit.

Less than 4% of white Americans have African ancestry (significant enough to show up on a 23andMe test, anyway) and that number is skewed up by certain regions of the country. It's the south, basically - in several southern states the number is closer to 15%, in most of the country it's closer to 2%.

The surge in Latino immigration to the US is a relatively recent phenomenon. The % of white Americans with either Latino or Asian ancestry is negligible. That goes double for Native ancestry, despite the "1/16th Cherokee" LARPers.

Truth is, the vast majority white Americans are in fact purely European by ancestry. Culturally, of course not, but ethnically - yes.

This is also pretty silly. It's something Europeans love to tell themselves, but generally it's Europeans who haven't spent much time around black Americans. Talking culturally black Americans here, not the odd upper-middle class black guy who makes it over to Europe as part of a study abroad program. The Europeans who say things like that also usually get their impressions of Americans from watching movies and interacting with tourists.

I'm a white American. Not really racist - I mean, on some level, sure, but I can't stand /pol/ or fucking Stormfront. But culturally I'm very different from most of the blacks I run into. Put me in a room with them and we'll have barely anything to talk about. That's not the case with Europeans. I've met plenty of you, in my country, in your own countries, and on neutral ground in Asia where we were both odd men out, and despite the fact that y'all don't say "y'all", you are really not that different from the people I grew up with, however much you'd like to be.

Somewhat different, sure. Not vastly different.

It is called brownskin in Europe

pic related is the story of many White Americans, especially the more west you go. They pretty much are intrinsic with the land at this point

It doesn't.

No you aren't, most White Americans are of German ancestry, they just changed their names to hide their Kraut ancestry.

Ethnic Scandinavians can get that dark. You're lying out of your teeth
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When it comes to culture in the US, I always look at it from a regional point of view. I grew up in the Glorious Southwestern Deserts (Mojave Desert) and I found out how much regional culture varies when I enlisted in the Military.

I grew up around Whites, Latinos/Hispanics/Mestizos/whatever Veeky Forums calls them and Natives, yet I met some people from the Appalachian Mountains or the Northern Midwest who had never seen a Native or Latino until they enlisted. We even had a kid from Alaska who had only seen Black people on TV before enlisting, despite this they all had an interesting regional culture.

Because that's stupid, we are default americans, not europeans

But you are not default Americans. Most white Americans are relatively recent immigrants and ethnically identical to Europeans.

shut up, what you think doesn't matter to me

well black americans have nothing in common with africans other than race but white american culture, while different, clearly has some roots in Europe

Black Americans have a robust Muslim community which is something they have in common with Africans.

This is true. I've visited more than a dozen states, but only lived in two places, the upper Midwest and the Northeast. I can honestly say that my (largely white) friends and peers in those places have been more like the Europeans I've met than they've been like the blacks I've known. (Western and northern Europeans, that is; they've probably been more like blacks than they have been like Russians.)

Even less likely to be accepted by Europeans: most of the blacks I've known - the ones whose families have been here for generations, not recent immigrants - are more like Europeans than they are like Africans. Black culture is very much a hybrid, but it's still more Anglo/European than it is West African. Any Europeans who are gearing up to call bullshit, answer me honestly, in which place do you think you'd experience greater culture shock - a traditionally black neighborhood of Birmingham, AL, or an Igbo village in Nigeria?

>most of the blacks I've known - the ones whose families have been here for generations, not recent immigrants - are more like Europeans than they are like Africans

You sort of see this in Latinos who have been here for generations too or even well assimilated 1st Gen Latinos in the Deserts or traditionally conservative states. I remember speaking to an Oki old timer at a gas station somewhere in the Mojave, most of the Whites in the areas were migrant workers that came in from the Midwest during the Dustbowl. This seems to be where the "Desert" culture started to take shape, its a weird mix of the Old Midwest, Vaquero culture like in Texas and Native influence is also very strong around here. I don't know how to describe to be honest, I've been living in it my whole life.

The Whites aren't like the trailer trash you'd see in Castaic or Beverly Hills kids, the Latinos aren't the cholo gangbanger types and enjoy Porter Wagoner and Johnny Cash as much as the Whites do and the Natives are still Natives. All this is why it pisses me off whenever a European or leftist intellectual says the US doesn't have a culture (I've heard this myself if any of you have a hard time believing it), its as if they willfully choose to ignore the many regional cultures in the US

Also, here's some Bert Weedon, my dad had this on a LP when I was a boy
youtube.com/watch?v=WxwU2N73bgM

>All this is why it pisses me off whenever a European or leftist intellectual says the US doesn't have a culture (I've heard this myself if any of you have a hard time believing it), its as if they willfully choose to ignore the many regional cultures in the US
Not to mention that the statement itself is just anthropologically illiterate. When Europeans say it, what they usually mean is, "American culture is vapid/infantile." In other words, "We have Sartre, you have Jerry Springer. We have thousand-year-old cathedrals, you have McDonald's." Which is a stupid thing to say, but whatever, at least it's not a non-sequitur.

But "America doesn't even have a culture" literally makes no sense, unless you believe that acting like an American is the natural state for people when they pop out of the womb, that if you mind-wiped 100 people from different countries and dropped them on a desert island they'd all default to acting like Americans.

Because Americans are not European anymore.