>On August 4, 1968, Mao was presented with some mangoes by the Pakistani foreign minister, Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada, in an apparent diplomatic gesture
>One of the mangoes was sent to the Beijing Textile Factory, whose revolutionary committee organised a rally in the mangoes' honour. Workers read out quotations from Mao and celebrated the gift. Altars were erected to prominently display the fruit; when the mango peel began to rot after a few days, the fruit was peeled and boiled in a pot of water. Workers then filed by and each was given a spoonful of mango water. The revolutionary committee also made a wax replica of the mango, and displayed this as a centrepiece in the factory.
>More replica mangoes were created and the replicas were sent on tour around Beijing and elsewhere in China. Many revolutionary committees visited the mangoes in Beijing from outlying provinces; approximately half a million people greeted the replicas when they arrived in Chengdu. Badges and wall posters featuring the mangoes and Mao were produced in the millions. The fruit was shared among all institutions that had been a part of the propaganda team, and large processions were organised in support of the zhengui lipin ("precious gift"), as the mangoes were known as. One dentist in a small village compared a mango to a sweet potato; he was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.
more like mass hysteria for fear of reprisal. Reminds me of people competing to cry the hardest when commemorating Kim Jong‑il or Kim Il‑sung
Anthony Morris
/thread
I hate Mao.
Nathaniel Young
I cannot read anything about Mao's China without smiling, it's so fucking stupid it's like a Marx Brothers skit
Wyatt Parker
>Subsequent articles were also written by government officials propagandizing the reception of the mangoes, and another poem in the People's Daily said: "Seeing that golden mango/Was as if seeing the great leader Chairman Mao ... Again and again touching that golden mango/the golden mango was so warm"
l-lewd
Liam Bell
How can one man be so incompetent?
Julian James
You'll never get it, oh one with confirmed IQ of less than 105
Jonathan Cox
this was during the cultural revolution when the cult of Mao existed
The propaganda of the time presented Mao as a demigod like figure who could literally never be wrong and demanded that people worship him multiple times a day.
This line of thinking only ended in 1971 when Lin Biao, Mao's handpicked successor, attempted a coup against him which failed and shortly afterwards died in a plane crash apparently attempting to flee the country. If Mao could never be wrong why did he make someone who betrayed him his lieutenant?
Anyway here's a piece of propaganda from that period, it's all rather incredible isn't it? But I suppose teenagers will believe anything.
Carter Hill
>One dentist in a small village compared a mango to a sweet potato; he was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.
HUEHUEHUEHUE
Logan Watson
the crazy part is how he managed to remain in power while he was getting his ass kicked by the KMT and then after he decimated China's population
Logan Johnson
Mao loved little girls
he fucked virgins on the regular, and never washed his penis.
Jacob Thompson
>Subject essay: James von Geldern
>Just as he promoted the Virgin Lands Program as a solution to the grain problem, so Nikita Khrushchev touted the expansion of corn cultivation as a solution to the livestock problem. “There will be no communism if our country has as much metal and cement as you like but meat and grain are in short supply,” he remarked in early 1954. To increase the supply of meat, Khrushchev sought at every opportunity to popularize corn as a fodder crop. Seed corn was imported from the United States, a corn research institute was established in Ukraine, the Ministry of Agriculture issued a new scientific journal entitled Corn, a Corn Pavilion was opened at the All-Union Agricultural Exhibition, and sown acreage of corn rose from 4.3 million hectares in 1954 to 18 million hectares in 1955. Thanks to favorably hot weather during two successive years’ growing seasons, corn harvests were abundant. It appeared that “Mr. Corn” (“Kukuruzshchik”) had achieved another agricultural “miracle.”
Jayden Gomez
>But rather than concentrating on more efficient methods of cultivating, fertilizing, and mechanically harvesting corn, Soviet agricultural authorities continued to expand corn acreage to areas lacking in appropriate climatic conditions and sufficient labor supplies. By 1960 total acreage had increased to 28 million hectares and reached 37 million by 1962. The latter year, cool and rainy in the spring and early summer throughout European Russia, proved disastrous for corn. Some 70 to 80 per cent of the acreage planted died. Even in southern regions, where grain corn harvests rose from four million tons in 1953 to 14 million in 1964, yields remained low and labor inputs averaged three times higher than inputs for wheat. What made matters worse was that all the while, hay production had declined throughout the country, from 64 million tons in 1953 to 47 million in 1965. Collective farmers’ suspicions of corn as an “alien” crop were vindicated, but not before a great deal of damage had been done to Soviet agriculture and Khrushchev’s reputation as a wise leader.
holy fuck that is some HUGE cob. why do people hate communism again?
Mason Watson
Centralized attempt to push an entire country in a given direction without any regard for local needs leads to mass shortages. But proponents will argue that the ends were justified (industrialization of USSR and China)
Caleb Wright
because communism doesnt work.
people tend to poorly manage government due to corruption (the very thing communism seems to hate) and as a result people get poor and starve.
Popular excuses by communists: >Capitalist nations are why we are starving! >We arent starving, we're merely conserving food! You capitalist pigs eat too much!
Blake Gray
in the case of china >bad drought in some regions >local party leaders get into competition with one another over who will have the best harvest >start predicting ridiculously huge harvests despite the drought >newly collectivized agriculture doesn't actually lead to a major boost in production as had been hoped, and due to the drought its actually fallen >additionally many farmers had been busy working on backyard smelters during the harvest season, so the women and children weren't strong enough to harvest everything and a lot of produce was lost from rotting on the vine >many tools were destroyed when they were used as raw iron in the smelters and the smelted iron from the backyard forges turned out to be worthless >after all the boasting the local party leaders can't turn around and say they failed so they just report the harvest as the ridiculous numbers they made up >central government says wow awesome production, we'll just take the surplus >since there was no surplus they actually took so much food there was nothing left to feed the farmers with >when word of the drought reached Mao he refused to allow people to leave their collectivized farms and go begging in less afflicted areas so they had no choice but to stay home and starved to death >some of the grain surplus was used to pay down debts to the soviet union but a lot of it just rotted in storehouses >15-30 million people died, the worst famine in human history and it was largely man made
(cont)
Justin Wood
From Jung Chang's memoir "Wild Swans" a description of the famine in Sichuan province China in 1959
>In Chengdu, the monthly food ration was reduced to 19 pounds of rice, a third of an ounce of cooking oil, and 3.5 ounces of meat when there was any. Scarcely anything else was available, not even cabbage. Many people were afflicted by edema, a condition in which fluid accumulates under the skin because of malnutrition. The patient turns yellow and sells up. The most popular remedy was eating chlorella, which was supposed to be rich in protein. Chlorella fed on human urine, so many people stopped going to the toilet and peed into spittoons instead, then dropped the chlorella seed in. They grew into something looking like green fish roe in a couple of days, and were scooped out of the urine, washed, and cooked with rice. They were truly disgusting to eat, but did reduce the swelling.
Luis Johnson
Why didn't the nigga give them a gold watch or some shit instead ?
Brayden Hernandez
In this specific case it was Mao's retarded decree that every farmer had to choose between making steel or go without food.
Zachary Johnson
Central planning can be effective long term, but you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
Wyatt Taylor
turns out that the guy on the ground actually does know better than the bureaucrat 100 miles away
Colton Baker
And people say Chinese history is boring.
Nathaniel Ross
It's always the retards who think China not interacting much with the "Western world" until the modern era makes it uninteresting.
Brody Jones
that's the american farm khrushchev visited
Ayden Ward
Sounds like a Monty Python movie.
Daniel Sullivan
That, or they brush it off by simplifying it down to a cycle of collapse and reformation. I could say the same thing about every place in history.
Kevin Perry
It's usually the romanboos and weeaboos who say that shit. They just jelly.
Aaron Phillips
dude
Elijah Richardson
>Traditional food distribution Farmer Wang grows food > Farmer Wang takes food to market > Mr Dong buys food at market > Mr Dong feeds his family >Communist food distribution Farmer Wang grows food > Government Official Lu takes food to storage cite > Officials sell half the food to another country > Remaining half is rationed out to Official Lu > Mr Dong gets little or no food rationed to him > Mr Dong's family starves
WHY DONT WE TAKE THE FOOD, AND PUSH IT SOMEWHERE ELSE
Jayden Baker
You guys are fucking racist. What about creationism in America? That not so funny?
Michael Murphy
but US creationists hate fruits
Christopher Evans
We make 'me on farms now?
Nicholas Hernandez
The Chinese do crazy almost as well as the Africans do crazy
Bentley Rogers
So Mao's China destroyed culture, worshipped mangoes, and killed sparrows.
Why do people like this douche again?
Julian Wright
yeah my grandmother told me about this this shit was real!
Jacob Sullivan
I keep hearing this, but never see any references in sources. Not that I disbelieve it, but I want to fap to the accounts for myself.
Charles Smith
Read The Private Life of Chairman Mao
Joseph Bell
Actual communist. Food requisitioning was part of Lenin's "war communism." The early Soviet Union had to deal with A LOT of war problems, including WWI, the Polish-Russian war, the Russian Civil War, and the Western blockade. In times of total war for democracies, food rationing can still happen, but the food at least generally goes to market, because farmers want the money to buy other things they need. In the early Soviet Union, a proper system of incentivizing farmers to put their food to market had not yet been conceived, but the people in the city were starving, and the central committee was too busy with the wars to come up with a more ethical system than food requisitioning. When faced by existential threats on all sides for a decade, "wrong, but effective" is sometimes what it comes down to. Lenin imagined a scenario in which the urban Soviets traded manufactured goods with the rural Soviets for food, like what happened in Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War, but he died before he could realize that goal, and Stalin didn't see a problem with food requisitioning. Unfortunately, this made food requisitioning -- and even greater, war communism -- a kind of permanent part of Marxist-Leninism, which the Chinese, and subsequently all USSR influenced communist nations, adopted.
Adam Allen
Keep laughing, OP, but I have unironically picked up a couple Chinese girls by saying that mangoes are my favorite fruit. The Chinese are seriously crazy for mangoes, even today.
Zachary Young
>One dentist in a small village compared a mango to a sweet potato; he was put on trial for malicious slander and executed.
This sums it up. In these kind of totalitarian regimes, any perceived dissent could get you killed for being an 'enemy of the people' or a 'counter-revolutionary' or whatever. People had to put a lot of effort into looking like they were on the "right" side of things.
Parker Thompson
>when Lin Biao, Mao's handpicked successor, attempted a coup against him A lie.
Mason Morris
You're trying to make it sound like it wasn't 100% Bolshevik policies that produced the food shortage and eventual famine, again agravated by intentionally by same people.
There was no 'existential' threat after the main 'white' Russian armies were beat, and that was already done before year turned to 1921. 'Entente' was never a threat to Bolshevik power (especially seen when supplies to 'white' Russians quickly diminished), except to young Finnish indepence thanks to Murmansk legion. Bolsheviks simply crop up new 'threats' trying to take back the lost, non-Russian (especially not Great Russian) parts of the deceased Empire.
Bentley Diaz
This is a mango history thread now.
TheGreat Famine(Irish:an Gorta Mór) or theGreat Hungerwas a period of mass starvation, disease, and emigration inIrelandbetween 1845 and 1852.It is sometimes referred to, mostly outside Ireland, as theIrish Mango Famine, because about two-fifths of the population was solely reliant on this fruit for a number of historical reasons.During the famine, about one million people died and a million moreemigratedfrom Ireland,causing the island's population to fall by between 20% and 25%.
Theproximate causeoffaminewasmango blight,which ravaged mango trees throughout Europeduring the 1840s. However, the impact in Ireland was disproportionate, as one third of the population was dependent on the mango for a range of ethnic, religious, political, social, and economic reasons, such asland acquisition,absentee landlords, and theMango Laws, which all contributed to the disaster to varying degrees and remain the subject of intense historical debate.
Jose Reyes
Mangos confirmed to have killed more people than Hitler
Angel Lee
>risking couping someone who will be dead/incapable in a few years anyway and who is your sole source of political capital Why?
Nolan Nelson
What is 'me?
Ian Myers
The Chinese population wasn't decimated really, natural growth exceeded unnatural deaths caused by Maoist mismanagement
Justin Sanchez
anime and mangoes goes there buddy
Anthony Murphy
it is amazing how obsessed he became
Ian Nelson
>Marx Brothers I get it
Jackson Wood
and they are lynching negros too!
Nicholas Gomez
Communism is hilarious. Its like a thousand tulip mania tier stories per year of communist rule.
Samuel Morgan
>You're trying to make it sound like it wasn't 100% Bolshevik policies that produced the food shortage and eventual famine But that's exactly what I'm saying. They poorly chose their policy, which happens to every nation sometimes, but this one particular poorly chosen policy ended up having huge repercussions in loss of human life around the world. I'm giving them some benefit of the doubt by saying they had other massive problems to deal with at the time, and so might have chosen a different policy were the circumstances less severe.
Another disastrous policy implemented during this time was the invention of the Cheka (the original secret police). While it was a quick and dirty solution to the existential problem of counter-revolutionaries during the Civil War, it wrongfully continued well after the threat it addressed was quelled, and became one of the main contributing factors to the fall of the Soviet Union.
But policies that the Soviet Union implemented when the threat was not quite crisis level tended to be more sane. Five year plans are a pretty good idea, industry dispersion can be a pretty good idea (especially in a multiethnic empire), supporting the independence of Egypt was a pretty good idea, etc.
All I'm saying is that all countries have good and bad ideas, and countries placed under extreme stress have a tendency to make bad ideas. And some of the worst aspects of the Soviet Union that lasted through its entire run started right at the beginning, when they were under the most stress.
Levi Peterson
It is hilarious >At the conclusion of the conference, a tribute to Comrade Stalin was called for. Of course, everyone stood up (just as everyone had leaped to his feet during the conference at every mention of his name). ... For three minutes, four minutes, five minutes, the stormy applause, rising to an ovation, continued. But palms were getting sore and raised arms were already aching. And the older people were panting from exhaustion. It was becoming insufferably silly even to those who really adored Stalin.
>However, who would dare to be the first to stop? … After all, NKVD men were standing in the hall applauding and watching to see who would quit first! And in the obscure, small hall, unknown to the leader, the applause went on – six, seven, eight minutes! They were done for! Their goose was cooked! They couldn’t stop now till they collapsed with heart attacks! At the rear of the hall, which was crowded, they could of course cheat a bit, clap less frequently, less vigorously, not so eagerly – but up there with the presidium where everyone could see them?
>The director of the local paper factory, an independent and strong-minded man, stood with the presidium. Aware of all the falsity and all the impossibility of the situation, he still kept on applauding! Nine minutes! Ten! In anguish he watched the secretary of the District Party Committee, but the latter dared not stop. Insanity! To the last man! With make-believe enthusiasm on their faces, looking at each other with faint hope, the district leaders were just going to go on and on applauding till they fell where they stood, till they were carried out of the hall on stretchers! And even then those who were left would not falter…
Nicholas Turner
>Then, after eleven minutes, the director of the paper factory assumed a businesslike expression and sat down in his seat. And, oh, a miracle took place! Where had the universal, uninhibited, indescribable enthusiasm gone? To a man, everyone else stopped dead and sat down. They had been saved!
>The squirrel had been smart enough to jump off his revolving wheel. That, however, was how they discovered who the independent people were. And that was how they went about eliminating them. That same night the factory director was arrested. They easily pasted ten years on him on the pretext of something quite different. But after he had signed Form 206, the final document of the interrogation, his interrogator reminded him: “Don’t ever be the first to stop applauding."
Chase Ward
>it's another "tall tale from the Gulag Archipelago gets treated as historical truth" episode
Liam Diaz
>“Ye Zhetai, you are an expert in mechanics. You should see how strong the great unified force you’re resisting is. To remain so stubborn will lead only to your death! Today, we will continue the agenda from the last time. There’s no need to waste words. Answer the following question without your typical deceit: Between the years of 1962 and 1965, did you not decide on your own to add relativity to the intro physics course?”
>“Einstein is a reactionary academic authority. He would serve any master who dangled money in front of him. He even went to the American Imperialists and helped them build the atom bomb! To develop a revolutionary science, we must overthrow the black banner of capitalism represented by the theory of relativity!”
>“Comrades, revolutionary youths, revolutionary faculty and staff, we must clearly understand the reactionary nature of Einstein’s theory of relativity. This is most apparent in general relativity: Its static model of the universe negates the dynamic nature of matter. It is anti-dialectical! It treats the universe as limited, which is absolutely a form of reactionary idealism.…”
>“Ye Zhetai, you cannot deny this charge! You have often lectured students on the reactionary Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. This explanation posits that external observation leads to the collapse of the quantum wave function. This is another expression of reactionary idealism, and it’s indeed the most brazen expression.”
>“You also taught the big bang theory. This is the most reactionary of all scientific theories. The theory leaves open a place to be filled by God.”
>“Should philosophy guide experiments, or should experiments guide philosophy?”
>“Of course it should be the correct philosophy of Marxism that guides scientific experiments!”
Charles Sullivan
>executes you for desecrating a replica of the piece of bread that our Lord and Savior shared with us
Joshua Lee
because he succeeded at land redistribution where so many other revolutionaries failed, doesn't make up for the shit he pulled but if mao had died in the early 50s he would have truly been a great hero
Michael Wood
plenty of countries making the shift from a feudal economy to a modern economy redistributed land, in some places it was considered a necessary step towards capitalism
Aaron Brown
and it didn't happen in china until mao forced it, making him a hero
Eli Campbell
For that matter it didn't happen in most of Asia before Maoists did it.
Hunter Smith
That was mentioned in plenty of sources. It's not some obscure anecdote.
Jeremiah Turner
I honestly don't understand how anyone can be a Marxist? Is it just naked lust for power? Or just really, really low IQ?
Jeremiah Foster
10 million people perished during the Mao's land redistributions.
Dominic King
you mean during the civil war?
Alexander Smith
How can anyone in 2017 be a fucking Maoist is beyond me.
Matthew Sanders
Kuomintang land reform (in Taiwan) began in 1946 while Mao's began in 1947. Taiwan's reforms gave easy credit to farmers so they could come to privately own land they rented for years whereas Mao's had no legal apparatus and was very ad-hoc, most likely with corrupt local officials deciding how it would be redistributed.
Sebastian Perry
No, during the land redistribution of the late 40s/early 50s.
Adrian Cooper
why didn't the GMD do such a land reform before they were kicked out of the mainland?
Jason Bell
Creationists are a loud minority.
Evan Carter
Reminder: every board is for anime and mangoes, some just more than others, and some have other focuses, as well.
Connor Turner
Its the belief that centralizing power and demonizing ownership of things will totally work this time and I can finally quit my shifty retail job and just like, live, man.
Mason Stewart
>Gulag Archipelago >A tall tale This is why I fucking hate Communists.
Nolan Lee
Fucking communism every time! EVERY TIME! THIS HAPPENS EVERY TIME! AND THERE ARE STILL PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT IT!
Matthew Howard
There's people who support something else that they also call communism. There's very little people that support mao. It's pretty incredible that language limitations can hinder discussion this much.
Jonathan Harris
All the people who supported Mao supported communism at first. Communism leads to totalitarianism almost invariably. Only stateless varieties of communism can avoid that and stateless communism cannit be achieved by violent revolution or any kind of forced effort. Marx himself recognized this. And yes still somehow there are communists of the """communist""" variety that think that conscious expropriation by the community (read: state) is a good fucking idea. End my fucking life фam. Humanity was a mistake.
Justin Kelly
>All the people who supported Mao supported communism at first. What does that have to do with what I said? When a mao supporter says he supports communism he means something else than when a libcom or someone else says he supports communism. It's a purely semantic discussion.
Parker Price
It doesn't matter what your intentions are, if you intend to make a pie by putting dynamite in the oven you will still not make a pie. It doesn't matter that they want something different when their actions are the same!
Alexander Scott
Their actions aren't the same. In fact, they have been opposed through history in kronstadt, spain, ukraine, etc (and always in intellectual opposition). But that's not the point. The point is that words have a certain meaning, and if different people use the same word with different meanings to describe themselves, the fact that they are using the same word is irrelevant. It's just semantics.
Josiah Carter
so how exactly did food requisitioning ruin agriculture? Isn't it still possible to grow above-famine level yields if the state pays for it?
Noah Hughes
it's literally historical fiction written by a dissident. You can't trust a single word in that book
Noah Cook
Dose digits.
Sebastian Reyes
Really? I first hear about it from Jordan Peterson. Why would someone just make up something about communism? And how did it end up fooling one of the smartest eggheads in Canada?
Brandon Nelson
W-why didn't they just order more mangoes?????
David Rogers
Mao is a Chinese person who is also now since passed.
>Wife admits book is made up >Author knew he was making stuff up >People still believe it's real
You're American, aren't you?
Thomas James
Probably someone wanted power so framed the guy next in line
Anthony Bennett
>On October 15, 1959, Zhang Zhirong of the Xiongwan production team, upon failing to hand over any grain, was bound and beaten to death with kindling and poles. >The brigade's cadre used tongs to insert rice and soya beans into the deceased's anus while shouting, "Now you can grow grain out of your corpse!"
Connor Thompson
Yeah they used to do that. So Maoism is literally just religion.
Jayden Clark
If china goes to shit in this era it'll make Aleppo look like peanuts. I hope you like live leak videos of lynchings and massacres and cannibalism.
Wyatt Scott
It's possible they might have been just a tad busy what with fighting unending brutal war against a greatly superior enemy from about 1937 to 1945, only to immediately plunge back in to civil war right after.
And Mao's "land reform" was just rounding up the local peasants and having them beat the landowners to death. The peasants mind don't actually /own/ their land and it can be taken from them by the local Communist authorities for basically any reason, most notably mind due to bribes from land developers.
Wyatt Thomas
The PRC passed a law establishing the right to private property in 2007, so the first part isn't strictly true anymore in a legal sense.
Jason Nelson
Rural lands are still legally held by long-term leases from the State. They certainly haven't been converted over to private ownership.
Wyatt Diaz
how do people do this he looks like such a faggot
Luke Anderson
This is from the science fiction novel Three Body Problem. It is not an actual thing someone said.