It just occurred to me the other day how handicapped the pre-American tribes must have been from the simple fact that they lacked horses. I mean, just think about that for a moment. Without horses, there is no way at all to have fast communication until the telegraph is invented, and there is no way to have fast transport until the car is invented. No wonder the Americas never developed beyond the tribal level until the introduction of horses. They had no way to communicate or transport significant quantities of goods. Europeans were extremely lucky to have started out on a continent with such supremely useful animals. Has there ever been a book at really explores this issue, the importance of horses to the development of human civilization? What was the first people to recognize the potential of horses and really exploit it?
It just occurred to me the other day how handicapped the pre-American tribes must have been from the simple fact that...
Medieval times.
>What was the first people to recognize the potential of horses and really exploit it?
Proto Indo-Europeans, that's kinda what let them spread.
Fun fact: horses are native to North America. They spread into Asia the same way humans came en masse into North America, although much earlier than humans. Paleo-Indians certainly encountered horses when they arrived, and hunted them as food, much like Stone Age Europeans did. However, it is believed horses were already on their way out in North America (landscape changes) when humans showed up.
Incas did quite alright without them
>Pre-American
what?
>No wonder the Americas never developed beyond the tribal level until the introduction of horses.
Nahuatl Speaking States, Mayans, Pacific-side South American Civilizations called. You're bullshit.
Also when North American tribes acquired horses THEY REMAINED at a tribal level.
one of the reasons they had no chance, not because of warfare but the work a horse can do and helping settlements, development
known fact, but obviously polfags will scream and bitch about "white" suprcemacy
>known fact, but obviously polfags will scream and bitch about "white" suprcemacy
Everyone here is forgetting the fact that horses are native to North America, and there wasn't any horses there when Colombus came BECAUSE THE AMERINDIANS DROVE THEM TO EXTINCTION.
>Biochemical analysis showed that some of the 13,000-year-old implements were used to butcher ice-age camels and horses.
horsetalk.co.nz
You apologists will do anything to not admit that different humans have fundamentally different. I like how Asians and Europeans domesticate their horses instead of driving them to extinction, then you all pull a Jared Diamond and say the only reason they didn't have civilization is because of horses.
Umm, I literally already mentioned it, it's not forgotten. Lrn2read. There is no proof paleo-Indians drove them to extinction. The super-hunter theory is just a theory. Seems to make some sense, yea, but correlation is not causation. Also Europeans did not domesticate the horse, only "Asians" did. The donkey was domesticated in Africa.
>Also Europeans did not domesticate the horse, only "Asians" did.
history.com
>No wonder the Americas never developed beyond the tribal level
u wot
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How far does the comparison go between the great plains Indians with horses (like the Sioux) and the Mongols go? In lifestyle and such.
there were a kind of equino, not horses lol. thats like saying zebras are horses.
>history.com
Nothing I haven't already said twice now. Horses were tamed by proto-Indo -Europeans, which in case you're confused, does not actually refer to what is popularly conceived as Europe. Nor does it correlate with modern populations. As your article even says: Kazakhstan, the "Eurasian" steppe. The article speculates, with zero evidence, that this could include Western Europe. Well, it doesn't. Horse tech spread pretty quickly but it began in Central Asia.
so this what retardation looks like, well done brown midget larping as white person, well done, praise kekisan, etc
Not very. The Sioux had been sedentary farmers further east until inter-tribal Indian warfare (with whitey's guns) drove them on to the plains. Suddenly with horses and guns, they could hunt bison (and other furry critters) pretty quick, sell it to Europeans, etc. Of course, it also made pillaging and subjugating their neighbours easier. To think if it a different way, by the time Custer got his ass handed to him, his adversaries had only had the horse 5-6 generations at most. That's a long time for a human, but not really that long at all.
the horse thing doesn't apply there because it's not a plains culture
indians in north america were spread out, usually nomadic, and indeed, "just tribal"
Actually North American horses were pretty genetically close to wild Asian groups like Przewalski's horse. Look up the Yukon horse. It's pretty similar except it had (possibly as a winter morph) whitish-blonde manes and back fur.
You make the common fallacy that a nation of millions is by definition more desirable than a tribe of a few hundred, and that this is objective improvement.
Tribe to nation isn't an upgrade, its a different way to organize people.
incas had runners that did the job very well though. not as fast as a horse, but when well run having a system of human messengers works well. ALSO semaphores (i.e. fire and other types of signalling networks) were used before telegraphs and didn't require horses. Napoleon set up an efficient nationwide system for example.
Those people could have developed much faster and exceeded where they were because of horses. Had they had them technologically they'd probably be on par with Asia or Europe at the time. Also those weren't the only advanced civilizations in the Americas. You're forgetting the northeast, puebloans, oasisamerica and the amazon. Not to mention the pacific northwest.
At the time europeans were hunting horses too, and the ones in the Americas were likely already on the way out by the time natives came. Horses weren't domesticated anywhere until thousands of years after they had gone extinct in the americas.
I've been wondering what would have happened if the Inca ever bred a llama large enough to ride.