Kaiserreich (alt-history) done right

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>when Mitteleuropa collapses and Germany declares Wars left and right

Turkey could reassert some dominance in the Middle East if they don't get locked down in a struggle with Greece or Russia/the Caucasian states or the Kurds.

Southern Italy had a very deep red streak in the 20th century

Why do you think all the socialist terrorists in early 20th c America were Italian?

Russia is a Wild Card too.

I think an oligarchic Republic is likely if the whites win..
Monarchy is discredited and they need the burgeois parties (Cadets and Social revolutionaries etc.) too rule the Country.

The emerging Republic probably would be Weimar on Crack. Instable because LG political extremism, undemocratic elites killing the Democratic process and rampant revanchism because of a harsh peace treaty.

Oh really? I always had the impression that socialism was rooted in the more industrialized North while the south was dominated by conservative landowners.

I can be dead wrong though?

The agrarian/militia wing of the fascists was mainly active in the south or am I mistaken?

Fun fact, Italy very nearly had a red takeover during the cold war. It has a very strong leftist tradition and could very easily gone more USSR leaning.

I mean thematically Gross Deutchland surrounded by the USSR, Italy and revengeful Syndicalist France makes alot of thematic sense for the second world war in Kaiser Reich. Only the combined arms of the rest of Europe can take down the top dog.

Would be interesting to ponder the role of the UK in a realistic sense. Arthur Blair as minister of propaganda in KaiserReich triggers me like hell.

>The military stagnation makes no sense given the Prussian military tradition.
Le bruzian dradidionz xd

I think a revanchist France makes no sense.

Imho a internationalist Syndicalist Commune would make more sense. Its very defensive because it fears a German attack but due to German surpremacy they follow a different path.

Destabilizing of colonies and other European nations. Spreading Syndicalism by supplying material, knowledge, technology and a haven for other Syndicalists.

Quality comment. Now could you explain too me how such a military stagnation could have taken place in the Reichsheer that followed a tradition of more Independent officers opposed to the Central planning of France and GB?

Nobody is saying Wehrmacht levels of Innovation would have been reached but its equally retarded to say it would have been the same stagnation that befell France after WW1.

>Stop making FANTASY that triggers my AUTISM
Just kill yourself and stop wasting space on Veeky Forums you fucking waste of oxygen

What ? Wtf is your fucking Problem.

Mongtard. I like Kaiserreich but its heavily subjected to gameplay considerations.

Its about a more realistic Version.

Just neck yourself.

>Realism
It`s fantasy you fucking retard

Did you get dropped on your head as a child or something?

Tf is your Problem? Do you have erectile dysfunction?

Its alt-history pulp. I am just discussing a more plausible version for fun.

Neck yourself and stopp this bullshit my dude.

>how such a military stagnation could have taken place in the Reichsheer that followed a tradition of more Independent officers opposed to the Central planning of France and GB?
Do you want to elaborate on this? Do you mean in relation to combined arms or what? The British and French post WW1 did develop entirely new methods, the foundation of Guderians theory is based on Liddel Harts theories, and Fuller believed in entirely tank based armies. These were ignored by the General Staff

>ignored by the general staff

Yeah and imho that wouldn't have happened in Prussia.

Realistically large parts of the Old Guard would have retired earlier because a sweet Junker estate or a political Posting would have waited. Allowing the influx of new ideas.

Also in France a deep rooted unwillingness to wage another large scale war led to a certain stagnation.Maginot etc. were the result.

GB on the other hand always favoured its Navy and had a pretty modern and innovative airforce.

The militarism and the cultural focus on the Reichsheer (except for the Kaiser) would have made a strategic stagnation less likely in the Reich

You do realise the Schiefflen Plan of WW1 was entirely outdated and based on 19th century ideas right? Prussia isn't some magic place where they're always at the cutting edge, in fact most of the younger generals who served in WW1 and rose to prominence in the inter-war weren't Prussian and that's why their ideas were novel

The most significant socialist unrest after WW1 was in northern Italy though, which makes sense since that's where all the industry and workers are located.

You realize that they either were Prussian officers (Manstein) or were educated in primarily Prussian institutions (Guederian)?

The Schliefenplan was born because the Germans had wrong ideas about Russias political and economical strength. Thats hardly the kind of strategic stagnation we are talking about.

The Nazis made the same mistake with Barbarossa (they just switched overestimation for grotesque underestimation).

This. I meant specifically Why the Syndies are in the South and not in the North.

>>American Civil War (ACW)
>>Thats bullshit. America probably just is an isolationist not nearly as wealthy but still pretty wealthy republic. Also its most likely still isolationist.

What has an isolationist policy got to do with the Civil war? American was isolationist in the 1860s too, didn't stop the first civil war.

Being Isolationist won't stop Huey Long and Jack Reed aims to become president.

You're doing a non-sequitur there

You don't seem to know much about the Kaiserreich mod's lore.

The second American Civil War is probably the only really absurd aspect of the mod aside from Mongolia stronk.

The Commune of France is perfectly reasonable. The army was left-wing as fuck and on the verge of capitulating even in 1917 at Verdun, the idea of a revolution is not absurd. The same applies with Britain. You seem to be forgetting this is a world in which both lost. Defeat leads to massive change.

German military stagnation makes sense only in the sense that it is spread all over the world and has had no major threat for a decade to keep it honed. They're holding dozens of islands all over the world, Sri Lanka for instance, the amount of troops based in Aden, Malaya, the Pacific trust territories and Malta would have weakened them in the same way as Britain pre-WW1.

The Ottoman Empire literally is on the verge of collapsing in the mod. Only a decent player can stop it from happening. It wouldn't have collapsed in the 1920s if buoyed somewhat by the triumphalism of a Central Powers victory, e.g. Ottomans regained Cyprus.

Japan is perfectly legit, though it was on the losing side it didn't suffer much but it wasn't vindicated in its actions in the same way as a real world victory did. With the massive rise of Syndicalism after the European revolutions and attempts in Japan, it makes sense that the Japanese would allow a bit more democratic freedom. Real world Japan was democratic in the 1920s too to some extent. The idea of a conservative democracy taking advantage of German weakness in the east without all of that Pan-Asian ideology shit is perfectly reasonable. Japan can go full Rising Sun or remain somewhat democratic, either way is reasonable.

>playing as syndicalist Ukraine
>Russian Announces Its Claims in Europe

Realistically they won't have enough followers to Start a Civil War.

Good points. I have a different view though. Going to answer you in depth when i am home.

>I meant specifically Why the Syndies are in the South and not in the North.

As far as I recall, the Austrians wanted to weaken Italy by dividing it into the Federation and a revived Kingdom of Sicily. They were exhausted so couldn't exactly ensure everything went to plan. A small revolt broke out against the Sicilian monarchy which was bolstered by syndicalists fleeing south from northern Italy such as Mussolini. Eventually they overthrew the monarchy, presumably with overseas aid from the other syndicalist movements in Britain and France.

The Hearts of Iron mod is shit tier. Play Darkest Hour version instead.

And yes I realize that Darkest Hour is pretty much Hearts of Iron.

>Realistically they won't have enough followers to Start a Civil War.
In our timeline they didn't.

kaiserreich.wikia.com/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Italy

The central powers split Italy/brought back the Kingdom of Sicily think it'd be easier to control. The Austrians occupied northern Italy and installed Monarchists everywhere.

The Socialist all fled south and seized power.

>The second American Civil War is probably the only really absurd aspect of the mod

There's a lot of people that think that Huey Long could have been elected president and that he would have become a dictator. That's something in our time line that could have provoked a lot of violence.

In Kaiserreich the stakes are even higher because Syndicalism has taken off in Britan, France and Italy via revolutions, and this has seriously emboldened hard left folks in the States. It's not taught in schools but there was a massive red scare in our timeline in 1920s America. The basis for all this stuff is really there.

It's as far fetched as people might think.

>Prussian military tradition

I hate this meme. The Prussian military tradition was dead by ww1 and the officers academy was a bloated and nepotist institution where Burghers and Junkers sent their kids to get a flashy education and a medal by the time of Kaiser Willy, with their only basis in actual merit being their surname or their contacts with the institution. There's no reason for that to change when Germany itself would be bloated and lazy after winning a world war and securing their role as superpower.

German military stagnation may not be totally plausible, but overstretch definitely is if they're trying to hold together a German world order with no effective allies.

Also I think it should be emphasized that a late-war victory means Germany has functionally become a military dictatorship run by Ludendorff. Would the military, as the saviors of the reich, cede that power back to the civilian government? Even if they did, Germany should be extremely fractious politically due to ongoing power struggles between the Reichstag and the General Staff as well as radical popular movements. That alone could make German hegemony dangerously brittle.

Also, no defeat in 1918 means Wilhelm II never makes his last ditch effort to resolve the longstanding contradictions in the German constitution vis a vis democratic civil government. There would be intractable postwar tensions over the future of the German polity which could easily become a full-blown constitutional crisis if the conservatives and liberals both refuse to budge. Civil war in Germany might be more plausible than civil war in America.

>>American Civil War (ACW)
Makes no sense, I agree. And why would MacArthur coup a Long government? If Syndies get in, I could see it, but why coup a government that literally supports all of his political ideals?
>>Commune of France
It could be a potentially left-nationalist state, could go either way. Either a very defensive state or revanchist. But if it IS revanchist, I don't see it declaring war on its own. Some kind of Syndicalist Union with Spain maybe? Either way, France was in no shape to fight a Germany that lost WW1, imagine a Germany that WON WW1 AND France lost really badly. France really shouldn't have this big of a shot. Maybe if its a Syndie Union of France and Spain AND the USSR happens on time, sure.
>>Great Britain
Well for one, UK wouldn't have lost. It'd probably dominate world-wide, there's no reason why it'd cede any of Africa to Germany. It's very likely that it'd still be a world power and own German colonies while Germany dominates in Europe proper, a sort of a rivalry between them.
>>Germany
It would have Mitteleuropa, but not far off colonies. Maybe if Britain was nice it'd have agreed to let them keep their original colonies as well as hand over some French ones. Much more likely is Britain just siezes all of Africa and maintains a puppet French government in Algeria.
>>Austria-Hungary
>Probably strongly federalised. Austria definetly plays the second fiddle behind Hungary and because of that is plagued by pan-germanism.
Yes.
>>Ottoman Empire
>Yeah no. That one would have collapsed in the 1920s or 30s. Question is which Colonial Empire would have filled the void? Or would the ayyrabs actually have gained self rule?
Probably a bit of both. I could see Britain moving in here again, probably overextending itself as a result while at the same time being completely isolated from Europe for the first time since Napoleon.

The Commune of France is actually very powerful, unlike war-weary 1930s France of our timeline. Its revanchism (Germany has outright seized Nancy) is full on militant and the revolutionary fervour of the country makes it nothing like the exhausted France of our timeline. Oh, and they start the game off in Internationale with Socialist Italy, with Britain and the CNT of Spain tending to join very quickly afterwards, and potentially a dozen more joining soon enough.

Britain technically doesn't lose. It's a "Peace with Honour" that leaves its empire intact since Germany knows it has no way of conquering it. In the Kaiserreich timeline a strike in Britain in 1925 steamrolls into a full on syndicalist revolution which leads to the British Empire descending into total chaos. India falls into civil war, South Africa secedes, the Royal Family and military mostly flees to Canada and in the confusion Germany and others seize much of the strategic parts of the British Empire such as Malta, Gibraltar and Singapore.

Germany takes those colonies. This is an era without any opposition to them for a good decade in which they intervene in China and Russia, and seizes many colonies.

Yes but such a revolution would've never happened this majorly. It'd just result in a more radical Labour. As you said, Britain didn't lose, there's no incentive for such a radical revolution. A more radical leftist Labour Party, sure.

And I'm not saying about willingness. France simply doesn't have the population to take on all of Germany. It's to do with attrition, not fervor. Smaller powers against larger ones usually do not succeed. It's why Germany really had no chance against the USSR, and same here. There might be a ceasefire at the Rhineland, but taking all of Germany? Nah. Historical parallelism doesn't work when you're comparing two very different nations.

It's why I don't like Turtledove's TL-191 and its wanking of the Confederacy. Realistically, if it survived, it'd have been left as a third-rate power, the Spain of North America.

What's up with La Plata anyways?

Why the fuck did Argentina annexed UrGAY and ParaGAY?

It makes no sense. Still, I'm glad that makes South America go into war and have many conflicts like Peru annexing Ecuador and getting back the Amazonian Trapezium (or Galicia, whatever it's called). That would actually happen since a huge country like La Plata would shit south american stability.

I still don't understand the Second American Civil War.

>The Commune of France is perfectly reasonable. The army was left-wing as fuck and on the verge of capitulating even in 1917 at Verdun, the idea of a revolution is not absurd. The same applies with Britain. You seem to be forgetting this is a world in which both lost. Defeat leads to massive change.

Yeah but such a massive defeat that exausted the Nation wouldn't lead to a revanchist government. I am not saying France shoudn't be a Syndicalist nation but the revanchist/militarist aspect makes no sense.

>The Ottoman Empire literally is on the verge of collapsing in the mod. Only a decent player can stop it from happening. It wouldn't have collapsed in the 1920s if buoyed somewhat by the triumphalism of a Central Powers victory, e.g. Ottomans regained Cyprus.

It would have been a hollow victory only gained through the other central powers.The antiquated social system would have eventually collapsed because ayyrab nationalism wasn't going away.

>Japan is perfectly legit, though it was on the losing side it didn't suffer much but it wasn't vindicated in its actions in the same way as a real world victory did. With the massive rise of Syndicalism after the European revolutions and attempts in Japan, it makes sense that the Japanese would allow a bit more democratic freedom. Real world Japan was democratic in the 1920s too to some extent. The idea of a conservative democracy taking advantage of German weakness in the east without all of that Pan-Asian ideology shit is perfectly reasonable. Japan can go full Rising Sun or remain somewhat democratic, either way is reasonable.

Japan can go full autocrat in the mod.

The Second American civil war would never happen IRL in 1936

It's just an excuse to plop the spanish civil war in America.

>It could be a potentially left-nationalist state, could go either way. Either a very defensive state or revanchist. But if it IS revanchist, I don't see it declaring war on its own. Some kind of Syndicalist Union with Spain maybe? Either way, France was in no shape to fight a Germany that lost WW1, imagine a Germany that WON WW1 AND France lost really badly. France really shouldn't have this big of a shot. Maybe if its a Syndie Union of France and Spain AND the USSR happens on time, sure.

Pretty much this.

> And why would MacArthur coup a Long government? If Syndies get in, I could see it, but why coup a government that literally supports all of his political ideals?

True I could see MacArthur rallying the coorporatist behind him ousting Long when he tries to really go through with his populist social reforms.

>Probably a bit of both. I could see Britain moving in here again, probably overextending itself as a result while at the same time being completely isolated from Europe for the first time since Napoleon.

I could see Britain influencing the place through proxies tbqh.

>Britain didn't lose, there's no incentive for such a radical revolution.

I only meant it wasn't invaded. It was a catastrophic defeat in terms of British foreign policy aims as the Weltkrieg in Kaiserreich lasts from 1914-1921, Germany becomes a superpower and Britain has a disgusting amount of casualties. None of the social reforms and extensions of suffrage that characterise the real 1920s Britain happen due to the defeat and the working classes are galvanised by the syndicalist victory in France. The revolution itself only occurs inadvertently due to a minor Welsh strike getting out of control. Sure Britain hasn't exactly been prone to shit like civil wars and revolutions over the past four hundred years but it isn't unheard of with a defeat and humiliating loss of prestige.

The Commune is capable of fighting Germany in the events of the mod. Germany's forces are scattered in their holdings all over the world while the Commune's are focused solely on their borders. Their military, though somewhat lacking in central command structures, is modern and powerful. Germany is a bloated and somewhat inefficient creature by this point and its population in a similar position to that of late 1930s France. They're backed up by allies all over the world while Germany virtually stands alone aside from its puppets in Eastern Europe.

>but the revanchist/militarist aspect makes no sense.

They're a syndicalist state that want to liberate the workers of the Ruhr from what they see as the tyranny of reactionaries and monarchists. The fact that Germany has not only seized Alsace-Lorraine but also Nancy means that revanchism is perfectly legit as a goal. Are you forgetting that it was German control of Alsace that led to 40 years of French rage leading up to WW1?

>point 2

It happens in the mod. Not even 20 years after the end of the war.

>point 3

Yes it can, but it isn't certain to go that way. a democratic Japan is actually stronger in the mod.

>It's not taught in schools but there was a massive red scare in our timeline in 1920s America.
any game that remembers the IWW is okay in my book. I would not be susprised if there was Syndicalists sympathizers outside of their territories

>Yeah but such a massive defeat that exausted the Nation wouldn't lead to a revanchist government. I am not saying France shoudn't be a Syndicalist nation but the revanchist/militarist aspect makes no sense.

Not him, but ingame lore suggests it's less about french nationalism and mire about international revolution. Russia lost more than France in the first war, but the USSR wasn't shy about war. Same with the third reich, ideological drive.

Germany declares war 9/10 times:

I think it tends to be France that forces the war. Germany only declares war in response to their belligerence.

>military exercises
>France seizes Romandie invading Switzerland
>demands for Alsace
>if CNT take Gibraltar Germany can demand it and France joins the war

The mod actually has a Spanish civil war as well though

>but ingame lore suggests it's less about french nationalism and mire about international revolution
not arguing about the revanchism, but the problem here is that besides black Monday and Kerensky getting killed, nothing is canon. The French elections could go radically different, with Sorelians getting into power who focus solely on revenge on Germany, or that other party I forgot which wants to bring the revolution worldwide.
>Germany declares war 9/10 times:
completely anecdotal. In my games of KR usually 7/10 times France is declaring war over Alscace Lorriane, maybe 2/10 over Switzerland.

2nd American Civil War seems too unrealistic. They should just have typical election events and remove the Syndicalists completely

>Not him, but ingame lore suggests it's less about french nationalism and mire about international revolution. Russia lost more than France in the first war, but the USSR wasn't shy about war. Same with the third reich, ideological drive.

The USSR was really cautious about declaring war though. They attacked minors and reclaimed old territory. Despite what stormfags said they wouldn't have attacked the Reich.

It makes even less sense for France who simply hadn't the Manpower at the time to attack Germany.

>American Civil War (ACW)
While rather silly in how it is presented.
I could see a revolution attempt by Chicago based socialists as within the realm of possibility.
A possible coup attempt by a more successful (and alive) Huey Long also seems rather possible to me.

Really my biggest problem with the ACW chain is the lack of the Technocrats.
The American Technocracy movement was really big at the time, and I would suspect that a more beleaguered America would only have made them more popular.
It is absurd that the Pacific states are an ACW faction, but not them.

>Commune of France
I consider their existence to be quite silly.
I fail to see why Imperial Germany would intervene in Russia, but not France.
Had a defeated France been subjected to a socialist revolution, I think a much more realistic scenario would be a German intervention, followed by the establishment of a puppet government, minor territorial annexations and possibly even some minor balkanisation.
The communes existence is nothing more then a contrivance made in the name of game-play.

>Great Britain
Out of all of the European powers, I think a defeated Brittan would be the most likely to undergo a socialist revolution.
As long as the navy is loyal to the new government, any sort of German led counter-revolution would be impossible for quite some time.

>Germany
Most things involving Imperial Germany in Kaiserreich are just contrivances done in the name of game-play.
Realistically, Imperial Germany would be the world hegemon and like all hegemons, it would be investing heavily in military innovation and modernization in an effort to maintain its position.

While I could believe Imperial Germany abandoning its pacific colonies, I could never see it doing such a thing to its African holdings.

>Austria-Hungary
This is the nation I have the most problems with.
Even in a world with a Central Powers victory, Ferdinand is still dead and all of the problems that the union had prior to the war are just going to come back into the forefront.

I think the most realistic scenario for a victorious A-H, would be a conference held ~1920 - 1925 (Mediated by Imperial Germany), resulting in a peaceful break up.
Austria and Bohemia would become kingdoms within Germany proper, Hungary would be a nominally indipendant kingdom within the German sphere of influence and the South-Slavic states would be lumped together into a united South-Slavonic kingdom (also within the German sphere of influence).

>Ottoman Empire
Even with them being on the winning side.
I think that the Germans would quite quickly cut that sinking ship loose.
I could see Germany intervening in the inevitable break up, organizing the Balkans into its South-Slavonic kingdom puppet-state, implementing an expanded 'megali idea' and possibly even taking the Levant.

When are they going to update Savinkovist Russia?

Why would Austria submit to become a part of Germany? It makes in OTL but in Kaiserreich I dont see much reason for them to.

We are talking about a more realistic take on Kaiserreich.

I position is that even in a scenario in which A-H was on the winning side of the Weltkrieg.
All of the problems intrinsic to the union would make them existing past ~1925 very unlikely.
Due to Imperial Germany's position both geographically and as the current world hegemon, I think that they would organize and mediate a conference to ensure that A-H does not descend into civil war on Germany's doorstep.

Given the choice between being reduced to mostly irrelevant, tiny states or being apart of the worlds hegemon.
I think that Austria and Bohemia would go with annexation into Germany.

Why does the Russian Republic have Karelia?

I just don't see the Habsburgs wanting to become part of the German Empire. If you remove the Habsburgs from power then sure it'd happen.

Imperial Germany was a federal nation.
It is not like Austria would lose a tremendous amount of sovereignty, and the Habsburgs would still be able to hold the crown of Austria.

They would just be another kingdom within the empire proper, like the kingdom of Bavaria was.

>real 1920s Britain happen due to the defeat and the working classes are galvanised by the syndicalist victory in France. The revolution itself only occurs inadvertently due to a minor Welsh strike getting out of control. Sure Britain hasn't exactly been prone to shit like civil wars and revolutions over the past four hundred years but it isn't unheard of with a defeat and humiliating loss of prestige.
But that's the thing. Britain's whole politics are that they're AGAINST whatever's happening on the continent. Every single time something becomes popular in Europe, Britain is the first one to go 'nah'. And again, this would solve itself through a more radical Labour. I could see Mosley's proposed reforms actually happen and you get a semi-syndie totalist but still British and monarchist Labour. Britain can still go authoritarian and left, I just don't see it happening in the same way as in France.

>The Commune is capable of fighting Germany in the events of the mod. Germany's forces are scattered in their holdings all over the world while the Commune's are focused solely on their borders.
It's not just about the military, by the time the French at least reach the Rhine you'd have Germans lining up to fight for their country. It happened with the USSR. If you want to do historical parallels, then make Spain the France to France's Germany and then Germany can be in the USSR role. It would make more sense like that from a logistic point of view. A Syndie union of France and a puppet Spain would stand more of a chance in terms of logistics, and you still get the parallels.

By that time, I think the Habsburgs were pretty irrelevant and very weakened. This isn't the 1830s-1840s Austria.

The entire lore of post WW1 Austria is that it's hanging on by a thread, that Germany carried it through WW1 and the challenge in the mod of Austria-Hungry is meant to be if the player can keep it together and by which reforms.

Now currently it's slightly too easy to do that, but a harder focus tree is supposedly planned for further down the line.

They didn't just stick Austria-Hungry into the mod for memes, it there's to be a high risk high reward nation. If you reform it, you'll have one of the largest armies in Europe. You mess it up, you'll be fighting a massive civil (not sure if that's the right term in this case) war.

>I fail to see why Imperial Germany would intervene in Russia, but not France.
Because the Russian Civil War happened first.

By the time the Syndicalists seized power in France, Germany was way too exhausted and overstretched to launch another military campaign against a power they had already defeated.

I get that.
But the topic of the thread is quite specifically about a 'more realistic version' of Kaiserreich.

I understand what the lore of the mod is in regards to A-H.
I just maintain that the lore regarding A-H in Kaiserreich is not realistic.
I'm simply providing my thoughts as to what I believe would have realistically happened to a victorious A-H.

Much like the AOG, Mongols or Qing.
A-H is only in Kaiserreich for both the game-play opportunities and 'coolness' that it provides.
The lore is just there to justify its inclusion.

While I can understand that Germany would be rather exhausted.
I still do not think it very likely that they would allow a large socialist state on their borders.

It is not like they would have to commit to another long, costly war.
I'm sure just one battle hardened German army would make sort work of some equally depleted and exhausted French workers militias.

Hi r#ddit!

Guy's, we're missing the most important aspect here.

Centroamerica vs. United Provinces of Central America, who wins?

Bump

Totalist Mexico + Centro America.

They both then invade AUS and kick the yankee out

Post your countryfu.

Pic related: Iron Guard Romania

There is only one correct countryfu.
And that is the holy Kaiserreich.

Needs more France. France and Spain is ancient visigoth clay.

*nationalises your oil industry*

I unfortunately do not have a map on me that depicts everything I would consider rightful Kaiserreich clay.

Regardless, in addition to the territory on that map.
I would also include:
Flanders-Wallonia, The Netherlands, Northern Jutland, The United Baltic Duchy, Lithuania, Poland, Gotland, Ruthenia, Galicia - Lodomeria, Greater Venice, Switzerland (all of it) and some territory from north-western France (including Calais).

I'm open to the possibility of Moldavia and Crimea also being included.

>Gotland
Why?

Its position would help a navel force ensure complete control over the central Baltic.

Plus it seems like a natural extension of the Baltic states.

Gotland is vital asset to Sweden. It was massively fortified and manned during the cold war.

If I had to rewrite the UoBs history to be more plausible I'd keep the Peace With Honor the same and have the 1926 general strike end the same way, but also result in a heavily radicalised Labour Party.

The National Government would continue on past the war due to a red-scare like atmosphere

In 1936, when the game begins, the National Government finally calls for elections after Black Friday damages the UK economy

Then there would be a choice between a more authoritarian Conservative Party, a moderate Liberal Party and a Labour Party split between Social Democrats and Syndicalist

Labour Party would have an option to either implement socialist reforms within the structure of the UK or to set up the Union of Britain, which would pretty much be the same as is in the game rn and would lead to the exile of the Royal Family to Canada

Conservatives would be similar to the authoritarian Canada path- authoritarian democrat, King with expanded powers, banned Labour Party and so forth

Liberal Party would be similar to the Liberal/democratic path for Canada

The main foreign policy aim would be liberating France- nationalist France would be done away with - and ending German influence over Europe

Possibly also have some options for the commonwealth- ie form an imperial federation, create the commonwealth, status quo

>Germany intervening in France

That wouldn't have been too exhaustive. France wouldn't have been able to put up any meaningful defense.

>A-H

The Empire was crumbling. Sure A-H fags will now flame me but nationalism was really tearing the Empire apart. There was a strong German Nationalism in Austria even and that could have lead to a strong movement to force the archduke to join the Reich as a client.

UPCA. Somoza is /oursonofabitch/

Wow, this added a lot to the thread.
Have you considered fucking off back to /leftypol/?

>It would have been a hollow victory only gained through the other central powers.The antiquated social system would have eventually collapsed because ayyrab nationalism wasn't going away.
And in the mod, it does. Every game I've played sees the Ottomans get curbstomped within 2 years by the Cairo-Tehran Axis.

I don't see why that is relevant to the Kaiserreich.

I'm going to go with option three.
Both nations remain irrelevant, forgotten and lacking any events

>playing as Canada
>retake UK
>no event
>mfw

Also why is Göring in charge of Mittelafrika?

>Also why is Göring in charge of Mittelafrika?
He's the leader of the authoritarian party so the government gave him the job in Africa to keep him away. Also his father was governor of German southwest Africa.

>why is Göring in charge of Mittelafrika?
Because he was a popular war hero of the weltkrieg.
The kaiser pretty much needed to give the man some sort of posting, but due to what an incompetent buffoon Göring was, the kaiser did not want him anywhere near the government proper.

His posting to Afrika is basically a prestigious exile, designed to limit the damage the he could do to the Kaiserreich.
Göring still fucked that up.

Thanks.

United Provinces of Central America is a big fucking mistake.

Costa Ricans would never accept to be in an union with fucking nicaraguans

Perhaps not the modern Costa Rican, but the Costa Rican of 100 years ago, with an invasive socialist threat to the north very well could have considered it. Not like they haven't done it before.

They think about adding a British Reconstruction Authority from the AAR A Crown Atomic.

Btw a nice AAR. The Canada wank is annoying though.

Pretty nice AAR, and I think its more of a Britwank than a Canada wank. For a more united British Empire I think you need to either go back far enough to prevent Dominion status for Canada and turn the Canadian (and then Australian) States into UK overseas constituencies or if its too late for that (like, after the 1860s late) then you have to bring down the power of the British Isles, which is what happened in Crown Atomic and KR in general so its fairly accurate on that at least.

I dislike how nerfed the AUS is. I get that they're going for a rogue state NK parallel but it doesn't work with such a huge entity. It'd be a pretty big problem for Canada to keep antagonistic relations with the AUS.

Well I think Canada is way to strong given its population and situation.

Its active on too many fields.

You are right about the AUS for example. The AUS (even with an Economy thats North Korea tier, which seems unlikely given trade relations etc.) is a militarized and ideologically mobilized society.

In a realistic scenario Canada would be torn between rebuilding the Home Isles and keeping the AUS in check.

It wouldn't have the energy to engage Germany (btw Germany is really nerfed for plots sake "lel lets not develop Jet Engines") and pull of the colonial shenanigans (which go way to smoothly.

I think a Canadian focus on North America and GB might have been cool.

Italy and France could have been the Entente antagonist in Europe/the Middle East.

But thats whining on a high level.

I would love to start a Cold War Imperial Germany AAR. If I had the time to come into DH, if I had the time to learn modding and if my English would be better.

I even have a cool story concept.

The 19th centuryesque multipolar world of a KR Cold War is a much better scenario than the typical muh Nazi-USA-SU Cold War.

I'd even recommend using Vicky with an expanded timeline past 1936 because it fits with the 19th century feel. DH makes the wars seem too WW2 like, where in Vicky you'd have more opportunities for proxy wars and shit.

Eh. True but i like DH more and its deeper on a military level.

Most stuff would happen with modding and narratively anyway.

I think one of the interesting aspects is the anachronistic thinking that most KR powers display (Spheres of Influence, Colonies etc.) vs. Syndicalist internationalism.

I think its hard to have a serious Syndicalist power left after the Second Weltkrieg. Even the soviets don't really make sense.

I find a Longist American Union State fascinating.

I wish this was a mod for a game other than Hearts of Iron 4

Darkest Hour, bro.Its dirt cheap on Steam.