ITT: Indisputable good guys of history

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>destroys polish/lithuanaian commonwealth
>destroys HRE
>severely weakwns spanish empire
Nah

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'non'

There are no good and bad guys of history friend.

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>destroys polish/lithuanaian commonwealth

Wat

That's where your wrong kiddo.

>Good guy and bad guy might be relative to the side your on, and interests you have, but some people and factions have been more more beneficial to humanity as a whole, and helped propel it in the right direction, than others.

>destroys
>severely weakwns spanish empire


can't read first one and second has to be a joke

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Fuckin'hell. Wish France had won the Spanish Succesion War.

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These guys and I'll add portugal to that list

>objective good guys throughout history
the papacy
france
scotland
poland
byzantine empire
guelphs
peloponnesian league
china
korea

>objective bad guys throughout history
g*rmany (includes the HRE)
england
venice
ghibellines
athens
japan

Yeah, Ireland's been good for most of it's history, the IRA in the 70's is a small stain on an otherwise glowing history.

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>Facilitated the African slave trade
>good guys

I don't really count the IRA of the Troubles since they splintered into absolute oblivion to the point where nobody considers them really "the IRA" and rather just the militant rebels against the loyalist occupation.

The only "true" IRA soldiers are arguably the ones who turned to peace alongside McGuinness and co. for Sinn Féin seeing as it fitted the socialist side.

You're out of your mind, the IRA are the heroes.

>Indisputable good guys of history

Probably a troll, but I can start:
>Quasi-war
>War of 1812
>Mexican-American war
>Spanish-American war

>>Quasi-war
>>War of 1812

both were europoors bullying america though

>buying nazi gold stolen from Jews and central banks of Czechoslovakia, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg etc.
Sure pal

>tortured innocent Vietnamese
>tortured innocent Algerians
>helped start WW1 to steal Elsass-Lothringen from Germany
Yeah nah

Quasi war
>"Pay debts burgers"
>"Fuck off"
How offensive from the French

>having a side business during war
If thats the worst thing you can say about them, then they are pretty clean

The guy who let`s another man burn to death is the good guy cause he wasn`t the one who set him on fire.

>Be France
>take over half of the HRE and then get pissed when the Germans don`t like to be ruled by gay frogs
>somehow end up as the biggest joke country in terms of military despite winning most wars you were in

minding your own business doesn't make you the bad guy.

Come on, let's be honest, no one thinks raping and enslaving the irish is a bad thing.

They had the opportunity to be but they turned a legitimate cause into a series of revenge attacks and infighting.

Also, just to put things right, Bergen hasn't been a "fylke" since 1972 iirc.

>muh states rights to own slaves like tyrone and bonquisha
>muh tobacco
>muh cotton
>muh incest
>muh banjo

property rights are rights.

Don't forget
>destroys monarchy as a form of government

>>destroys HRE
How is this a bad thing? Also, France didn't destroy it. Dirty Germs chimped out on themselves and led to their own demise (le Prussia).

Many states with active monarchy are devildamn rich homosexuals

>French revolution was good

>innocent
>Algerians
Va te faire foutre.

>he thinks peasantry and serfdom is good
>he likes to be cucked and dominated by the clergy and nobles

When did we destroy the Commowealth?

You were freer under feudalism. Peasants had mote free time then the ones slaving for the bourgeois

More like sneaky oppurtunists of history

We're talking about the nazis here, not your everyday villains. But sure the Swiss dindu notnin

Property is theft

The communists

from who?

During the napoleonic wars.

>implying Switzerland had a chance to fight the Nazis
Get real, they did not join up nor had their country overrun within weeks like all the other shit countries. No Anschluss is as good as it gets.

What ? Sweden, Prussia, Russia and Austria destroyed the Commonwealth with multiple, coordinated wars throughout many centuries.
France actually re-created Poland. In fact, Napoleon has a verse dedicated to him in the Polish national anthem ("Bonaparte taught us how to win").

>implying that today's state of working under an uncaring boss with no reason to keep you happy was better than working under a noble who had an ancestral contract with you going back 5 centuries

And racist as fuck, they're litteraly trash.
Drapeau blanc

>p*land
>byzantines
>good guys
>Venice
>England
>bad guys

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ITT:everyone posting their country
Wow I didn't expect this

USSR is biggest good guy and tragic figure in history

France is so horrifically treacherous the only reason they aren't despised is because they were outshone by the English.

after they stopped the caliphate at the Pyrenees it's been one downward descent into betrayal and aggression

Slavs in general, Poland especially.

>good guys of history
no such thing

Nice bait

/thread

>country that started leftist revolution cancer
yeah nah

Undisputable 'good boiz' list:
>Ireland
>Norway
>Iceland
>Portugal
>Korea
>New Zealand
>Finland
>Scotland
>Wales
>Estonia
>Latvia

Disputable 'good boiz' list:
>Sweden
>Denmark
>Canada
>Australia
>Austria post Habsburgs
>Yugoslavia (NOT its components)
>India
>The Netherlands
>Greece
>Egypt

Ok-we're-going-a-bit-far-here list:
>France
>Belgium
>Poland
>Turkey
>Italy
>Palestine

Are-you-fucking-kidding-me list:
>England
>Russia
>G*rmany
>USA
>Spain
>Middle-eastern nations that aren't Lebanon
>Israel

They did

Funny that all the 'good boiz' (except Scotland) have done nothing for the advancement of civilization, and the lower echelons like France, Italy and America can be credited with building the world as we know it.

> Portugal
> Good
They created fucking Brazil.

Come on now, the eternal Anglo is unironically the goodest boy of history

The shit we take from other '''''countries''''' is just the cross we must bear for being the world's moral leading light

Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs

Thats the price of purity - impotence.

>Norway
Lindisfarne
>New Zealand
maoris genocided the previous peaceful inhabitants of the island

> aligns with the Ottoman Empire to destroy Christian unity for the sake of geopolitics

> "Good"

France is the popular artistic kid at school, that everyone likes but the top student of the class England, hates him.

Germany is the autistic school shooter.

>Genocide, then other entities replace the genocided
Nope. Try again with some facts, monkey.

>Germany is the autistic school shooter.
No, Germany is the autistic kid who takes a dump in the urinal, eats it, throws up on one of the pretty girls, then blames it on his imaginary friend.

1) opressed Samis
2) continued and supported German slavery over Estonians, Latvians, and Livonians

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>venize
>not firenze

U wot m8

What was Vietnam and leaving the US holding the bag?

What is wrong with incest, banjos, and selling tobacco?

>What is wrong with incest
I know right. There is nothing wrong with this handsome visage.

>Polish Lithuanian commonwealth
>During Napoleonic Wars

No, you need to go back to /int/

I don't know, what was Vietnam?

Btw thanks for the aerial support at Dien Bien Phu

England is litteraly the bad guy of history with their evil sidekick Germany.

They got semi redeemed in WWI and WWII (being friends with the French must have rubbed some goodness in them), but immediately went back to trying to sabotage the EU at every turn afterwards and then blaming the EU for not being efficient.

>abandons 3rd crusade
>takes part in the 4th crusade
>aggressively expands into HRE
>attacks Catholics while being Catholics
>allies with T*rks
>Revolutionary Wars

To be frank, there as bad as the G*rmans

England, France and Germany form a tripartite of evil as far as Europe goes. Spain is the only real good guy

t. Ausfag of British Ancestry

And what makes France the good guy? They invaded countries, killed Europeans, dismantled ancient empires, built one of their own, slaughtered their citizens and subjects, and then there's Indochina.

>invaded countries
If you are talking about colonialism, the invasions were not the mistake, that would be trying to import european civilization. But still you have a semi point. In most regards, life was better in conquered countries by the time of the late colonial empire than when they were first colonized. Decolonization was a huge mistake though, which is the real crime for the local people.

>Killed Europeans
It's hard not to kill Europeans when everyone tries to gangrape you after a Revolution. I though you Americans were attached to self defense. Regarding other wars France very rarely strikes first or is not justified. You could argue however that Louis XIV was objectively not acting out of goodness. But his reign still was a boon for European culture and architecture despite the wars.

>dismantled ancient empires

You better not be referring to the
>H
>R
>E

>slaughtered their citizens and subjects
Some bad guys within the country don't change the fact the Revolution gave birth to a force of good which was the Consulate.

>Indochina
Losing a war makes you a bad guy? Jeez, the French must have been pure evil in the XXth century.
If you are referring to colonization, see above. Oh and ask Cambodians how they felt about being free again.

In any case, of course France is not a parangon of virtue of whatever, but their impact on the world has been overwhelmingly positive.

>steal
?????????????????

Is your only knowledge of French history Revolutionary/Napoleonic?

It is more how they managed decolonization. Frankly, all things being equal the British handled it with far more grace than the French did. I mean, slaughtering Vietnamese buddhists, locking up the entire Muslim quarter of Algiers and torturing them for intelligence, that kind of thing.

You are the definition of ignorance
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_inventions

The naval innovation I will certainly give. But the rest are modern scientific advancements in an age where we are all 'good boiz'
Besides, the Portuguese were complete cunts in the far east. I would dispute their innocence anyway.

No but you seemed to refer to those timeperiods and later events. Because I honestly don't see how many Empires were toppled by the French before the 1800s.

True, as well as treatment of colonial troops, brutal quelling of African uprisings, and other such crimes. Not all black and white, but decolonization was never really well handled by anyone, even the British (see Sudan or the different Indian states). Especially because no one thought to prevent population growth post departure.

italy literally did nothing wrong ever
even when we were on the wrong side we helped the right side to win

/int/ is best board.

Koreans
-Became renowned by Chinese and Arab traders as echelons of pottery making.

-Created a new standard as well as a sub genre of Japanese pottery

-first ever soy bean cultivation

-manually manipulated greenhouse

-first standardised water gauge.

This is only the influential stuff. Every Eurasian nations has done something for humanity.

-floor heating system

>Liberté, égalité, fraternité
>ultra-centralized state that destroys all cultural diversity
>aggressive wars of expansion
>colonial Empire

What did France mean by this?