How do modern patriarchal societies maintain power

Is not enough? How dense can you be?

How about this? See it for yourself.
youtube.com/watch?v=nGLXGV4sz44

>fighting for your """"right"""" to be a slut

Not even him but we saw what the west got with women's lib; thanks but we're good

youtube.com/watch?v=iyeYeX3qljg

Ah, but his argument was that "they actually like it the way they have it"

>at least we can freely express sexuality!

I think you are him by your use of three to four quotation marks

He meant they, the society/culture as a group. Not "they", some rogue individuals.

Doesn't matter, westerners are still retarded cucks. You literally fought for the right for your women to be whores, for niggers to run your culture and government, for atheists and communists to spread their ideology. All in the name of "muh rights".

I'm not a Nazi, just a traditionalist, but pic related is dead on. You ant willingly let this shit spread, that's like allowing a cancer to eat you.

No kidding.

Are women not part of Iranian society? Maybe you're right, I suppose they aren't, clearly.

"Rogue individuals" - Truly a pathetic argument.

The Iranian MEN who believe an illiterate warlord merchant spoke to Allah and wrote down the """""perfect""""" book that allows them to enslave their sisters sure DO "actually like it the way it is". He's right about that. But the other half of society as you put it? That's a despicable claim. One that was brutally unproven in this thread.

Not everyone likes the Cancerous, Liberal, Hedonistic, Materialist lifestyle of the West. Where women killing their babies is a ''right'' and men get assfucked by alimony. Shocking i know.

Some violent attacks on women do not equal unrest. Just be abuse I got mugged by some guy does t mean I hate the government. People will believe whatever you tell them if you say it long and loud enough and a sizeable perventage of women are happy as it is. The same dumb liberal westerners that fetishize diversity can't grasp or allow some country to have a different morality than they can; what a shock.

what a rich culture i can't wait to bring them all in the US

His original point that I was arguing "doesn't matter"? I think I'll have to disagree with you there sir.

Now I'll ask you - whether you're the same disgraced user or not - why shouldn't women have the RIGHT to be "whores" as you put it? We should be thought policing our mothers and sisters? We should beat and rape them for showing their hair? Showing their hairs makes them whores?

You don't seem to understand that this is being perpetrated and enforced by the Iranian government. Not "some guy".

And being beaten/raped for showing your hair -
not some, but anyone - doesn't equal unrest? You have some very corrupt morals I think.

Basically, society needs some moral guard rails on it. I actually agree with you on the hair thing; is be fine with something more like 19th century morality (somewhat less strict) but again you can't let this objectively bad disease spread. You need a supervisor to help society stay healthy.

>muh right to be a slut, not letting me be a slot is oppression

This is why we have 5 kids and you have an abortion. And why E*rope is turning brown.

Women are more religious on average and Saudi Arabia is already a very religious country on average. Unlike men, they're unlikely to topple the state anytime soon, which means the monarchy feels very little pressure to enact reforms outside personal ideology. That leaves foreign intervention which isn't going to happen so long as the KSA has the patronage of the U.S.

>why shouldn't women be allowed to be whores?

individualism was a mistake

I don't think I understand your last line there.

But you saying women being treated inferior is simple "law and order" truly shows the delusion in this thread in general. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand that.

I quoted "law and order" incorrectly, but I pulled that from "moral guard rails" (fairly, I think)

And I don't understand your obsession with giving people the right to act immorally and against their own interest. That's like saying "my right to be an alcoholic/drug addict.

Oh wait, you guys did fight, and are fighting, for that.

Wow, you should publish a book.

>But the other half of society as you put it? That's a despicable claim. One that was brutally unproven in this thread.
Not at all. For every Liberal women in Muslim society, you have hundreds who unironically want their society to stay that way. Also, spare me the ''illiterate warlord merchant'' crap. The Founding Fathers were a bunch of rich ambitious slave owners who realized the central government that ruled over them was an ocean away. Hell they Lionized Muhammad and saw him as a great man.

>be American
>think the entire world should follow my country's systems and values

Why does it keep happening?

Showing your hair in public is immoral? Having more than one partner is against your own interest and comparable to drug addiction?

You're either dense or have actually justified in your own mind why you should be able to treat women as inferior.

They need a big war like us. A war where millions of Muslims die. Only then something will change there.

>you have hundreds who unironically want their society to stay that way.

I'd ask you to substantiate that claim but you can't. Again you're implying they want to be beaten and raped for showing their hair. How disgusting.

And if I must spare you the ''illiterate warlord merchant'' crap" then you'll spare me the "ambitious slave owners who realized the central government that ruled over them was an ocean away" crap and the lie that follows it.

This. The Foundimg Fathers would be rolling in their grave if they knew half the shit we allowed, and especially cucks like literally claiming people have a right to be a degenerate

is visiting Veeky Forums immoral or against your own interests? it is filled with porn and allows people to say immoral things? should this place be shut down and should websites like it be prevented from popping up?

>be non-American
>fail to comprehend that American runs the world and every other nation literally does not matter
why does it keep happening?

But you don't have the intellect to explain why they don't have that right. You use Veeky Forums buzzwords like "degenerate" to describe people who simply want to let down their hair in public or expose their ankles on a blazing hot day.

I said I gunk the hair thing is extreme. But sexual promiscuity is damaging to society and we need some kind of a boundary, like forbidding pre marital sex or adultery. Not really hard to understand.

i agree, people like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were paragons of virtue
we should strive to live our lives like they did

we should also make murder illegal, that way people won't do it

And masturbation, right? And obviously porn.

A woman having 7 partners in her lifetime (the average in the West) is damaging to society? Utter garbage. Don't waste my time. You want women to be treated inferior to men.

I still don't get this
The length of time you wait for posterity?
The time it takes to evaluate a good President?

>suddenly American liberals are the biggest patriots on the planet

I would definitely institute censorship of the (((media))) like China does. There's no valid reason to alllow harmful ideologies like nihilism or materialism into your culture. Most westerners are indoctrinated to analyze and destroy any type of moral code or morality so you wouldn't understand this.

Forbidding pre-marital sex punishable by life in prison? Death? You've learned NOTHING from the theocracies that have disgraced the earth since the beginning of time and ruled by sexual repression.

I bet you support gun control though

It's clearly damaging when you look at the destruction of the family and falling marriage/birth rates.

Women have never forcefully taken power, they've only ever been given it by men.

In the West, culture is tolerant of women whining, so women whined and whined until men gave them rights.

In the Arab world, culture is not tolerant, and women who whine are beaten until they submit. These countries never had the basis for a feminist movement to form.

Did you unironically come here from Reddit?

>Some violent attacks on women do not equal unrest

Show attacks occuring in similar proportion in the united states and then we can talk

Better to err on the side of caution t bh. And we'll get the last laugh-we'll be around, but you'll have died off thanks to your hedonistic, nihilist """""culture""""

>It's clearly damaging when you look at the destruction of the family and falling marriage/birth rates.

More buzzwords. You're so clearly full of shit and hold contempt for women. The U.S. is being damaged societally by this and Iran is flourishing in your eyes? Come on.

No. What a poor diversion. Do you have ANYTHING interesting to say?

>And I don't understand your obsession with giving people the right to act immorally and against their own interest.
Because we're fucking adults that don't need big brother looking over our shoulders. You can't be "given" rights, you have them from birth that's why it's a right. If you can't act in accordance with them then you're simply being deprived your rights. You want to infringe on rights because of your subjective idea on what a good society is.

So out of wedlock births, abortions, divorces, STDs and singe parents aren't a thing?

people being whores through their 20s and then complaining that nobody wants used goods in their 30s is damaging
something is wrong with millennials, none of them want to marry
there was article from today or yesterday about this writer for Vogue. her job was literally their resident slut writer for years. she would write about her sexual exploits. now she's in her 30s and is complaining that no man wants used goods
there is something beyond the argument of should women be allowed to be sluts to that. i think yes, let them be whores if they want. but it is not the fault of a patriarchy when nobody wants someone who was a massive whore from 16 to 29 and then suddenly their biological clock started ticking and now they expect a man to be loyal to them. even beyond social arguments, there is a evolutionary biology argument to not viewing them favorable. these females could be disease riddled. they are incapable of being in a long term relationship, or have not been in one yet. they are older, their eggs are less fit.
here is the article
vogue.com/article/30s-and-single-and-not-settling-slutever

Pathetic response. Everyone reading this can clearly see how full of shit you are.

>I bet you support gun control though
i don't, i have no idea what gave you that idea

I don't know if I believe your answer. Are you just some triggered leftypol kid?

>I'm 18 I can do what I want I'll stay up all night!

Yawn. Just another "no gods, no masters" rehash. Proof that atheists are just butt hurt at having to follow rules.

>i'm losing the argument so i'll call him reddit and that way i don't have to acknowledge how flawed my points are

How is it pathetic? There was a demonstrable increase in these things after the 60s.

>stoning women to death in the streets is a better alternative

6 one way, half dozen the other.

>There was a demonstrable increase in these things after the 60s.
especially after the government forced welfare programs on impoverished and majority black communities
malcolm x talked a lot about welfare would destroy black family units and thus destroy any progress blacks had made since the civil war

Which I never denied.

The fact that abortions and divorces exist doesn't really change my mind about individual rights or crime and punishment. Nor are those things a result of giving women certain rights. Men are 50% responsible for ALL of those things. At least.

They should be punished for their complicity too. I don't believe it's right to abandon your wife, or have a bastard child with a girl for example.

I'm catholic but good job leaping to conclusions. You didn't actually post an argument by the way, I wasn't sure if you noticed. If God gave us free will why do you want to take it away from us? Do you God was wrong to give us free will? Sounds like heresy to me.

Those are directly correlated with greater sexual freedom. Feminists themselves admitted that.

You support an authoritarian, totalitarian government from what I gather. And I just find it disturbing that people in free societies think this way.

>The U.S. is being damaged societally by this and Iran is flourishing in your eyes? Come on.
Yes, Iran is the 4th highest in STEM graduates in the world. Quite advanced for a Theocracy that is sanctioned up the ass by the West.

>Iran is the 4th highest in STEM graduates in the world.
what feats have all of those graduates accomplished over the past two decades?

Pretty weak response but.. Yeah, they sure are. That doesn't change the fact that men are still half responsible, nor that for these reasons: we should keep women enslaved.

>I'm triggered that someone believes differently from me
>professor rosenblatt told me everyone thought like me!

God entrusted us to look after each other and not use our free will for evil.

>doesn't know authoritarianism and totalitarianism are two different things
>Redditor """"education""""

You gathered that I think everyone should think like me..? For rejecting totalitarianism?

Just because women aren't slaving for a multinational corporation or getting blacked means they're enslaved. We have different roles to play in society. Would you fight for your mothers right to work in a dangerous coal mine or fight in battle?

I didn't infer that they aren't. They're also not mutually exclusive when talking about one specific instance, as we are.

They are, actually. But w/e.

>everyone has to have the same thoughts as me or they're literally citizens of israel
>professor spencer told me so!

Your shock at dissenting opinions sure indicates it

An even weaker response. I think most anons who waste their time reading this one can do the work on their own.

i'd fight her to be allowed to make that choice, it's my mom and not your damn choice what she does with her life

They aren't in how I used them in my reply.

Is this the Veeky Forums exclusive eduaction? Haha

>But w/e.
solid defense of your position, do you write for the new york times?

Spoken like a true capitalcuck

I'm not the one who's """"shocked"""" that people think differently from me in my liberal democracy, capitalist sociey

"I just find it disturbing that people in free societies think this way" following a long exchange?

That's shock at a dissenting opinion?

Nope. God gave us free will so that we could choose to follow his path or be condemned to hell. Treating women like children doesn't make them better people. The desire is still there.

>haha
>>>/reddit/

You cannot have a government that is both authoritarian and totalitarian.thats like saying my capitalist communist society

People tend to look at things from other cultures with lenses from their own, and in my opinion that people shouldn't really be too worried about what a different country is doing, especially culturally. (See: Brexit with Americans and Euros with the US elections)
Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism are completely different and no ideology is inherently wrong, anyway, sort of yes, it disturbs you that someone might believe something that you don't find acceptable.

You're 100% right, but you dodged my point.

You're right that you cannot have a government that is both authoritarian and totalitarian.

But I accused his specific idea of being both authoritarian and totalitarian, which it was.

But now you're just harping on a pretty minor detail since your point was pretty much obliterated.

You took the time to cry about how disturbed you were.

citizens don't act in a vacuum. You can't just let 85% of your population smoke black tar heroin all day and do nothing productive.

now you can explain to how telling someone to defend their argument is reddit tier

Completely different? Now that's a stretch, though I still see this to be dodging the main argument at hand.

>You took the time to cry
Very weak, unintellectual argument sir. Is that the best you've got?

I didn't get that you meant "either or" there. Then yes, I am in favor of at least a semi authoritarian society.

>it's another episode of people responding to a guy and instead of retorting he just responds with non-arguments
Man change the channel

>literally getting upset over some anons opinion

Nazis watch out!