Are the Bogdanoff brothers descended from proto-Indo-Europeans?
Caleb Foster
>the indo europeans were taught everything they know by Finnic kingdoms
Thomas Martinez
Sources?
Cameron Martinez
lol thanks for the lies
t. graduate student in indo-european studies
Joshua Jackson
sauce
Nicholas Johnson
WUZ
Jaxon Brown
THE PROGENITORS OF CIVILIZATION N SHIET
Ryder Turner
It actually makes alot of sense.
Austin King
Civilization was already THOUSANDS of years old before the Indo-Europeans.
Jace Foster
>IE Cucuteni-Trypillian 6000 to 3500 BC civilization in Eastern Europe.
archaeological findings in the region indicate Kurgan (i.e. Yamna culture) settlements in the eastern part of the Cucuteni-Trypillian area, co-existing for some time with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian
Cucuteni-Trypillian culture ended not violently, but as a matter of survival, converting their economy from agriculture to pastoralism, and becoming integrated into the Yamna culture
Noah Parker
It is therefore more likely that Dnieper-Donets marked the transition of indigenous R1a and/or I2a1b people to early agriculture, perhaps with an influx of Near Eastern farmers from 'Old Europe'. Mitochondrial DNA sequences from Dnieper-Donets culture showed clear similarities with those of the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture in the Carpathians (haplogroups H, T and U3). Towards the end of the 5th millennium, an elite starts to develop with cattle, horses and copper used as status symbols.
Julian Powell
The Cucuteni-Trypillian people mixed actively with the neighbouring Steppe cultures, resulting in the ethnogenesis of Yamna around 3500 BCE, at the onset of the Yamna period in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, the Cucuteni-Trypillian people started expanding east into the steppe, leaving their cities (the largest in the world at the time), and switching to an increasingly nomadic lifestyle. By the time the Proto-Indo-Europeans started, G2a-U1 men belonging to the L13 and L1264 subclades joined R1b and R1a tribes in the invasion of Europe, then of Central and South Asia.
Luis Rivera
I2a was found in Neolithic Spain and in Yamna culture of southern Russia and eastern Europe
Seres was a confederacy of Tocharian people, who invented silk and traded it with the Indians, the Chinese and, through the Parthians and later the Sassanid Persians, the Romans.
Wheat and millet were introduced to northern china from the west. Although westerners think of china as a solely rice-based civilization, wheat and other grains are very important in northern china even today. Also vines and wine and other foodstuffs were introduced from the west.
It is important to remember that Xi'an, the capital of the Han dynasty , is quite far west, and close to the western corridor of Gansu, which leads to the tocharians.
The importance of the horse and chariots to chinese ciliizations can not be overemphasized. It was clearly inteoduced from the west, from indoeuropeans who developed the technology.
The tocharians, bactrians, soghdians were all city based, and highly developed ciliizations. The Han dynasty refers to greek bactira as DaYuan, and chinese travellers highly praised their cities and products, and the prosperous, industrious and peaceful inhabitants. The silk road was created to trade with DaYuan.
The nomadic steppe peoples such as scythians also had aspects of highly developed civilization, such as techincally refined and beautiful gold and iron working and clothing. Also they must have corralled their horses somewhere, implying they had at least semipermanent settlements. Probly similar to how the huns had one major tentcity as their capital in europe. They werent just nomads, but probly a seminomadic civilization.
The chinese learned of buddhism from the missionary efforts of grecobactrian buddhist kindgdoms and tocharians.
There are more examples of cultural and technological innovations that spread from the indoeuropean west to china, and there was a lot of back and forth even before the silk road.
Not surprisingly,Eurocentrists take this as a sign that the Shang was founded by Indo-Europeans despite all the genetic,linguistic and archaeological evidence that argues against this.
Steppe admixture shouldn't be surprisingly as the ancient Chinese expanded onto lands inhabited by non-Sinitics as well as Turko-Mongol/Central Asian migrations.
Aaron Edwards
in 100 years ausrrarians will have 2-5% "North European" admixture
they will celebrate their han chinese heritage without any recognition of the non-han foundation.
same happened in ancient china. history repeats.
Aaron Ward
we wuz khanz and sheeit
Hunter Collins
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William Sanchez
t. retard
Northwestern China was the periphery not the core,the Shang polity was centered around modern day Henan/southern Hebei.
Linguistically,the Shang elites used Sinitic as a method of prognostication with craniometric ties to the pre-Yan cultures of the northeast as well as having genetic affinities to modern Northern Han(mtDNA from Yanshi and Yinxu sites).
The Zhou would be far likelier candidate to have been in contact with Indo-Europeans.
