Free will BTFO

Compatiblism is ridiculous.

>It is common sense that consciousness as we experience it exists in our brains only.
it is common sense that the soul separates from the body when we die. Most people for most of history believed this in some form.
You're the one making extraordinary claims for which you have no evidence.

>muh soul
Ridiculous. First of all, define "soul". What is a "soul"? Is it something immaterial? If it is truly immaterial, then why is it confined to a material object, the human body? Do you even have any proof for the existence of such thing or are you just coming up with that random bullshit? If the latter, you might as well claim that magical, invisible unicorns exist because you don't have to prove it anyway. On top of it all, assuming this soul thing exists and it is somehow immaterial, then why call it ourselves when our memories, feelings, thoughts, everything that makes you yourself, is material, in the form of neurons (this being scientifically proven)? If anything, this soul is just some kind of parasite in the host creature which is you, a separate entity that does not have anything to do with your life as you understand it.
>You're the one making extraordinary claims for which you have no evidence.
>consciousness existing within the brain is extraordinary claim
>not having conscious control over the brain is extraordinary claim
Sure thing buddy.

>muh science
This is the humanities board. If you are going to be rude like this with all your "scientifically proven" ""facts"", please fuck off to .

>consciousness existing within
>within
consciousness can't be spacially pinpointed into the brain, that is an absurd, illogical, and extraordinary claim which you have not, and probably cannot, prove.

as for the soul, i said it was common sense not that it was true. chill out *tips*

>I don't know the definition of free will
Hint, it doesn't mean free from causality

Hint: there is no "the" definition of free will.

>consciousness can't be spacially pinpointed into the brain,
Uh actually it can and in fact it can even be physically pinpoited to one specific region called prefrontal cortex.
>that is an absurd, illogical, and extraordinary claim which you have not, and probably cannot, prove.
Not only it can be proven, it already was proven and it is widely accepted as being the truth.

bigthink.com/ideafeed/where-is-consciousness-located-in-the-brain
rstb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/351/1346/1413.short
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefrontal_cortex
knightlab.berkeley.edu/publications/detail/113/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3298966/
willcov.com/bio-consciousness/review/Prefrontal Cortex.htm
youtube.com/watch?v=1jtffLlTgq8
newscientist.com/article/mg22329762-700-consciousness-on-off-switch-discovered-deep-in-brain/
academic.oup.com/brain/article/124/7/1263/285461/Consciousness
medicaldaily.com/human-brain-consciousness-episodic-memory-personal-narrative-social-structure-384757
quora.com/Is-consciousness-totally-the-product-of-the-brain-Or-is-consciousness-ultimately-separate-from-and-independent-of-the-brain

You are the one making absurd claims for which you have no evidence, claiming that everything I say that is held as truth is "extraordinary", "ridiculous", "illogical", etc, without explaining why, which shows you're just a fucking idiot with no interest whatsover in having this argument and are just shitposting for the purposes of either trolling or unwillingly demonstrating the degree of your profound mental retardation. You keep moving the post after every comment, as always.

But sure, if you want to just deny reality, go ahead. After all you have a free will to do so :))

Not him, but the humanities are not some magical thing where science is irrelevant.

DUDE
YOUR SCIENCE
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WHAT THA FUCK MAN
"SCIENCE"
***TIPS FEDORA***
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EPIC MEME
ATHEISTS BTFO
DUDE
FREE WILL
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plato.stanford.edu/entries/freewill/
>trying to BTFO a free will definition that you came up with
Come on son. Either outline your definition beforehand so we can laugh it or don't pretend you BTFO it

It is irrelevant because science is circular logic. He is trying to prove science within the concepts of science which is ridiculous.

That was never implied idiot. Regardless of being free from causality or whatever other factors (or not), your decisions still happen inside your brain and you don't have control over your brain, so you don't have control over your decisions. This is a perfectly logical conclusion. If you do not accept it, it means that you are being illogical. In other words just being a try hard retard who holds his personal beliefs because muh feelings instead of holding reason as your compass.

>youtube as a source

you suck, instead of taking responsibility for your actions you choose to blame nature
very brave of you

why are childrens cowards today? is it their shit parents?

Atheists BTFO.

>sys.Veeky Forums.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newscientist.com%2Farticle%2Fmg22329762-700-consciousness-on-off-switch-discovered-deep-in-brain%2F
Not that guy but this article didn't prove what you said. They mentioned that specific portion is a critical portion but not where consciousness reside. That is like saying only the car key makes the car move or only the conductor makes music

>That is like saying only the car key makes the car move or only the conductor makes music
Can you start a car without a key, or have an orchestra without a conductor?
And nevermind all the other articles btw.

If you exist in a superior plan of immaterial existence with God, yes, it is possible. In the analogy, that proves my point which consciousness is immaterial and exists regardless of our brains. Please inform yourself before spreading disinformation.

landoverbaptist.org/news1100/science.html
Science means Satanic in Latin

youtube.com/watch?v=u22qp_nMXpU
Science is a Religion and a Satanic One at That

you're like zoolander trying to break open the computer to find the files inside it. there's no consciousness "inside" the brain. that's dumb and wrong, and in any case unprovable

Reading these threads make me think that the prime reason for why today's youth is extremely non-religious is because of idiots like you two. You waste every opportunity at conversion by being, well, the idiots that you are.

He has fallen for the deceive of Satan and his "Science", there is no saving the poor soul now. The best we can do is make fun he will go to Hell and repent later.

conversion? to what?

>necessary part means the only part
Learn to logic faggot.

>post so many links
>expect someone to read them in such a short time

>plato.stanford.edu/entries/freewill/

Second sentence....

>Which sort is the free will sort is what all the fuss is about.

You are literally retarded.

Feel free to outline the epistemological framework you are working under.

>we have no free will
>thus we have no choice but to act the way we act
>we act as if we had free will
>we can't act in any other way except as if we had free will, because we lack the free will to do otherwise

Uuhhhh dotards?

And the first sentence already shows that everyone agrees that free will is the ability to choose what effect from different causes. As to what effects or causes is up in the air. That is enough to prove what I meant that free will doesn't mean free from causality. Learn to read.

That's not what the first sentence says at all. Did you just literally Google the Stanford page on free will and post a link without even reading it?

>"Free Will” is a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives.
That means choosing an effect from different causes since various alternatives will have different causes. I can choose to sage, report or reply to you and there will each have different causes, choosing one action/effect over the other is the definition of free will

Course of action and effect do not mean the same thing. Ability and and capacity do not mean the same thing. 'Particular type' implies there are lost of different mooted types.

You have some cheek telling me I can't read. You've taken a sentence, ignored a particularly important chunk of it and inserted different words with different meanings.

Plant wards on your brain

Different causes have different effects regardless of ability or capacity.(besides, that counts as a cause too) Course of action is the result of the causes that propel the rational agent to make that decision ie causality.

> ignored a particularly important chunk of it and inserted different words with different meanings.
I have only explained what it meant. You are the one who not only ignored that part of the page before everyone starts disargeing, but also the only moron who seem to have his own definition of it

>I have only explained what it meant.
No you haven't,you've failed to understand what it meant and posted a link that proved what I said in my very first post in this thread that there is no such thing as "the" definition of free will. Primarily because you clearly have comprehension difficulties.

Holy damn what an absolute cutie. Is there any more of this semen demon?

>The substantially less cute friend taking the photo

gets me every time

experience confirms that we have the sensation of making decision.
being conscious and able ot respond to stimuli with awareness doesn't imply being able to decide on then carry out actions freely.

>If you developed epilepsy or a brain tumour tomorrow would you describe that as a decision that you made?
Would you describe that as a decision that the brain made? Because that would be ludicrous. Neither your conscious self or the brain can decide whether to have brain tumours and epilepsy, or not.