>As befits a culture with no word for ‘father’ or ‘husband’, Mosuo women do not marry. Instead, they take as many lovers as they wish, cherry-picking them from within the tribe and inviting them for secret evening trysts
>and there’s no stigma in not knowing who a child’s father is
>Such matriarchal utopia does have drawbacks – curious visitors have descended upon the once-isolated region under the mistaken suggestion Mosuo women offer free sex. Sadly, some of the previously peaceful villages have been overrun with hotels, casinos, karaoke and even a red-light district.
How have people ever thought matriarchies were a good thing? This proves everyone who has an issue with modern feminism correct.
>Tribalistic still and more perversely so
>Hedonistic and primitive without morals
>EASY TO TAKE OVER
How do we get people to see this obvious issue that is coalescing into a major, and obvious, problem today? They see their issues as speed bumps along the way... to what??
>their morals are different than mine >must have no morals Mosuo are cool as fuck, and their women are actually independent and self reliant unlike (((western))) feminists
Also, if anything matriarchal societies are much more suited toward a modern day service economy than any other time in the world except for hunter gatherer societies. Since physical labor is increasingly irrelevant in modern day society
Dominic Lewis
I can see where my viewpoint would deem theirs as alien but there are positions in my points where that's not an issue.
I outlined in the first few greentexts what the article suggests and then in the last three I outlined how those play out in an objectively bad way for society.
Clearly Matriarchal societies are terrible for the societies they are in. They've never been successful and, shown here, are only taken up by the most ignorant and weak cultures. For example the pygmies have the tied lowest IQ. The Indian example at the bottom had shown a terrible society in which the mentally inactive men where driven to suicide and drugs.
We can see this with our feminist men and even our society as a whole once you look at it. Matrarchies are CANCER
Hudson Cruz
I just showed how it's relative to today as well. The Mosuo had their whole way of life supplanted and no matriarchal society is dominant anywhere that isn't backwaters area that nobody goes to. Those are really low standards for a society to be thriving
Jose Cox
The only thing I see wrong with this are the Westerners fucking up the purity of their social balance.
Zachary Gutierrez
What do you mean? Elaborate on that. Do you mean we shouldn't have given women the rights to vote? I totally agree. I don't understand how anyone takes women's rights seriously. There needs to be a class on how terrible matriarchies are. This is an important subject today. they have been historically terrible for both sexes
Easton Lewis
>implying China is a developed service economy. Learn the difference between manufacturing intensive and service economies. Once industry becomes irrelevant than so do men. See American college graduation rates by gender
Colton Allen
then so do men*
Yes but even with women's graduation rates being higher than mens, which honestly proves nothing except that women are in a much more stable position to be able to seek a college degree, they still don't have high amounts of nobel prizes. They are not at the forefront of mostly anything. Corporations are generally male-fronted and women characteristically come out with a good novel or two every century. The only good strives into philosophy women made were feminism and those seem to be very superficial fields as well as they don't encompass the basis of reality (which philosophy tends to define itself as doing).
Kevin Evans
I was referring to this section you posted. >Such matriarchal utopia does have drawbacks – curious visitors have descended upon the once-isolated region under the mistaken suggestion Mosuo women offer free sex. Sadly, some of the previously peaceful villages have been overrun with hotels, casinos, karaoke and even a red-light district.
Their values aren't wrong in and of themselves if they can achieve balance and self-sufficience.
Jack Lopez
It's not a matriarchy
They're matrilineal
Hunter Wood
Mosuo huh? Interesting. Very very interesting.
Thomas Bailey
>nobel prizes >not just a huge meme See Obama and his prize. Think about it, all of our most prominent politicians were born in the 1950's and 1960's so all the most prominent positions are filled by them. The collapse of industrialization started around the 80's and accelerated during NAFTA. As manufacturing has become less relevant to provide a living, so has the role of women in society risen. What we're going through is the last vestiges of the male dominated society, that's why the Dems shilled Hillary so hard. Wait 30 years when these college aged graduates are actually able to attain positions of power
Nolan Cruz
Yeah I copy-pasted that, they were acting like this is a grand thing up until this point and I pointed out in the last three greentexts how it was naturally self-sustainable
Jaxon Jones
Oh my god, It's matrilineal AND Matriarchal.
How the hell can the world go on now. Those two thoughts simply can't be together, impossibruuu
Nolan Morales
Nobel Prizes OUTSIDE the literary and Peace Prize (I really really did not think I would have to clarify this, it didn't even cross my mind I would have to clarify this really obvious line-in-the-sand)
What exactly does a female dominated society look like? Does it look different from the examples I showed already? Because I'm seeing traits of it in their movement already.
I'm reminded of a meme in which the men escape to a different planet and visit women on earth and they started a neo-patriarchy to kill all pretty "bitches"
Eli Jones
Either way, this assumption that it's simpyl going to be okay without any proof is pretty terrible. Their movement is very tribalistic (AND PERVERSELY SO), extremely hedonistic to a fault (this isn't just human matriarchal issue, it is shown in gibbons as well) and easy to take over (I present the Islamic and neo-black power traits that are present in matriarchies).
Matriarchies need a patriarchy to rebel against. Patriarchies just need to get on their own two feet.
Anyways, you have provided no proof for your points
Juan Taylor
>tribalistic What do you mean by this >Hedonistic Again, I don't understand why you think it's hedonistic >Easy to take over This is exactly what I'm getting at. Soon, everything is going to be fought over with autonomous vehicles and drones. Technology is making men's advantages in these fields obsolete. And I think you're overestimating how much outside forces affect a society, it's more internal and economic, rather than "Islam" and Blacks, which is just right wing fear mongering. Notice how all countries with woman leaders (Thatcher, Theresa May, Merkel, Taiwan, Park South Korea) are all developed countries, and not all of them have problems with immigration
Adam Rogers
>their women are actually independent and self reliant
That's the smoking gun, isn't it? If women actually were the badass yaaaaass kweeen slay feminineninist icons that ((they)) keep shoving down our collective throats via the media, instead of the entitled parasitical tumors they really are, a matriarchy wouldn't be an issue.
Wyatt Roberts
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Xavier Edwards
Asexual Human reproduction and total separation of the sexes into rival gender species leading to the total extinction and extirpation of the superfluous and weak Girl race when?
Bentley Gutierrez
> once peaceful society > overrun with > karaoke Oh God no! Not fat, balding Asian men badly singing Journey! How will the village survive?
The only guys who don't like matriarchies are the ones not invited into the women's huts for secret evening trysts. Instead, they are the guys in the male huts, jacking off to pictures of the local yak.
Matthew Clark
>Technology is making men's advantages in these fields obsolete
Naive. You really don't put much attention to military conflicts don't you?
Justin Perry
In all honesty. I dont think I like the idea of not knowing my kid or not being considered as part of the family. At least some paternity rights should be in there and the massive influx of ideas such as laws regarding dignity and family could mess a lot with their societal structure.
Parker Morgan
God shit like this makes me snore
Robert Smith
Han should assimilate these Mosuo cucks before Africans find out about them
Connor Wood
this is based, the males dont have responsibilities and can fuck any woman who will let them get it in. It is a strange hybrid between NEET and chad
David Hall
Sounds boring.
Jonathan Wilson
It seems they are already going extinct and getting Han'd. I also heard it's weird and women are super henpeck-y, or maybe that's another matriarchal chinese culture that's going away.
Leo Lewis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo >matriarchy—a land where women rule; and primitivity—a society that has not evolved Hmm, I wonder if those two things are related...
Matthew Gonzalez
>They've never been successful and, shown here, are only taken up by the most ignorant and weak cultures
You don't know cause and effect here so it's a bit of an asspull. Arguably the most egalitarian and female-friendly (some anti-feminists and the like would call them "matriarchal" but it's not really right) societies in the West are the most successful.
Take the most patriarchal ones like Albania and compare them to the least ones like Sweden.
See, you can argue like you did from the opposite perspective too.
Nathaniel Fisher
>You don't know cause and effect here So instead of societies failing because they're matriarchal, societies might become matriarchal because they're failing? I don't think that's much better m8.
Eli Young
Actually the post I quoted seems to cover both possibilities and it's very circular. Overall it basically has no argument in it.
It's like "matriarchal culture aren't successful because they're taken up by losers because they aren't successful"??
Then he brings up 'our societies' and 'feminist men' as if our societies aren't better off now than they were 100 years ago or as if feminist men are lower IQ or something.
And there's also the matter where most societies are patriarchal for obvious reasons (men can dominate women) so you have a much larger range of experiments going on. Are Islamic uber-patriarchal societies successful compared to egalitarian and feminist-friendly western ones?
Nolan Long
>society is ruled by women >men are cucks >is conquered by foreign men, turned into a whorehouse Sounds familiar.
James Anderson
Literally everyone inside the borders of China is gonna be Han'd out of existance in the following decades. They're solving the Tibet affair by making the place majoritarily han, for example.
Joshua Williams
What is the role of males in a society like this one? Even the most hardcore patriarchal societies have well established roles and niches for females and at least one archetype of good woman. But it seems that on some of this matriarchies, including the mosuo, men are simply outside of society. What's the archetype of ideal mosuo man?
Ryan Long
Fucbois?
Aaron Robinson
The men arent cucks, they could fuck any bitch with no repercussions, and they dont even have any parental or household responsibilities. And both have pretty traditional roles as well. Mosuo are based.
Benjamin Gonzalez
The thing is, it's not supposed to be humorous but 100% serious.
Mason Hernandez
after we destroy women the next step is going to be to destroy capital
Dominic Brown
I think the resource problem would sort itself out once women are gone. They consume 80% of world's resources but produce almost none of them, it's not really about bourgeoise vs proletariat as much as women vs men.
Benjamin James
If they are forced to raise someone else kid. Then they are. No fucking dignity.
Evan Wilson
So the ideal man is a passive boy? And you tell me that not only men but also WOMEN like this? Even feminists are attracted to dominant men.
Alexander Harris
What traditional roles?
Camden Fisher
That's only in western society. You can't apply western values to those people you're being too eurocentric. Such things would not be seen a cuckoldry to them and even in western society that is not what being a cuckold means.
Ayden Martinez
What the fuck are you talking about? those men are wasting their resources to feed the spawn of another man thats cuckholdry.
Henry Stewart
women do all the cooking and housework whereas men get to go kill shit
but the womans entire family helps raise the kids, not just her brothers
Parker Ward
do you have a source on those numbers familia
Christopher Smith
Their culture seeing cuckoldry as normal or good only makes them even more cuckold.
Brandon Hill
This is nothing compare to disgusting lgbt marriage.
Gavin Bell
Honestly, Its my eurocentrism talking but I dont really care. I just cant respect this guys.
On the flipside, those women might not respect western women.
Dominic Wilson
No it doesn't you dipshit. First of all this doesn't describe a "matriarchal utopia" it doesn't even describe a purely matriarchal society. The only reason "hotels, casinos, karaoke, and even ared-light district" came about is because a such customs are unheard of. If it was more common it wouldn't be an issue. I'm not advocating for it im simply pointing out its not an inherent problem. Tribalistic? in what way? Why is this an issue? You give no explaination. >Hedonistic and primitive without morals all spooks, all subjective horseshit >EASY TO TAKE OVER based on what? tourism? what are you even talking about?
Jace Lee
No culture respects western women.
Henry Watson
>muh eurocentrism Spoken like a true cuckold.
Aaron Cook
They are not "wasting resources", because they are not husbands of their women. They just provide for the tribe as a collective.
Also you have to be 18 to post hear. So go play outside for a few years
Dominic Parker
>consume 80% of world's resources source
Julian Martin
>Matriarchies need a patriarchy to rebel against. Huh? Literally how did you manage such a theory using the tribe that OP described. It has nothing to do with rebelling against anything. It was just their way of life. Sorry it triggers you so.
Describe tribalism? As far as I'm concerned men are the main ones who seem to shill "tribalism" hard with their ideas on nationalism and discrimination.
Hedonistic is a relative term and it's just you moral fagging, the same way "rights" are a relative term.
And how can anyone compare feminist to this? No one is trying to set up a matriarchy.They want to set up MAINTAIN(this is key) an equal society where men and women are treated the same legally and socially, To that degree, no feminists will never go away. They find it important that they stay relevant to prevent a relapse.
Jack Foster
What are you 5? it's literally your opinion based on the social norms and traditions that have been pasted down in your society for centuries. Perhaps they see jealousy as a wasted emotion and view that all children no matter how conceived, are valuable. It's not like you're going to convince them otherwise just by calling them cuckolds. Why are you even on this board if you can't study things objectively? You sound like a stupid feminist getting mad at normalized rape of females in Roman society or something.
Ryan Mitchell
>There's nothing wrong with being a cuck, it's just like society and shit that makes you think there is man Cultural relativists were a mistake.
Tyler Kelly
I didn't even say those words but thanks for proving how underdeveloped your brain is that you fail to grasp such a simple concept. They don't care nor see it that way so that's all that matters. Whether or not you or me think it is wrong means nothing. What are you going to do about? Go there and try to convince them? Why do you even need to? Just live your life. The world would honestly be a better and more peaceful place if people just didn't worry about what others do so much.
Jason Powell
Kys
Dominic Scott
Only good post ITT
Tyler Cruz
This is the dumbest post on Veeky Forums as of right now.
Henry Miller
Just because they don't understand the term doesn't mean it doesn't apply.
Say a society doesn't recognize the concept of murder. Does that mean if a guy of that society kills someone, it isn't murder?
Isaac Howard
user, did you know that 69.87% of all statistics are made up?
Henry Campbell
Ok, you called them a cuckold. Now my question is what does it matter when they don't care? And clearly cuckold isn't as universal a concept as murder if their society(and any other where polyandry is the norm) doesn't seem to care. It's just found in many cultures. They do recognize murder though, so your comparison doesn't really hold well.
For one thing, cuckold doesn't necessarily mean the same thing in every culture. I believe in the east, they recognize it to mean along the lines of any unrequited love.
Isaac Martinez
Well, you have been raised in such a society where that is the norm so, kind of a mute point. It's their way of life. Just let it go. You sound like one of those feminists who bitch about the past or societies where polygyny is the norm and the women don't seem too bothered by it.
Ryan Cox
It doesn't matter if they care or not, the truth is that they are a cuckold, simple as that.
And you missed the point about the murder comparison, it wasn't literal, just an example
Jonathan Parker
TRIGGERED
Landon Bailey
I didn't miss the point though because I was saying the concepto f cuckold seems to be purely cultural, especially if the cuckoo birds aren't found in that region which is where the name was derived. Why would anyone be triggered here/. It's just a discussion we're having here, child.
