What would modern China be like if the Republic of China won the civil war instead of the Communist Party of China?

Nothing would change really, except no retarded polices that would stagnate China.
China would be a on pars with their other East Asian counterparts in term of development, but they would still be ruled by one party system.
Also It is scary to see how difference people from ROC are from PRC, sure etiquette in PRC is getting better with a growing middle class.

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Then how is corruption still a huge problem in China?

Literally how?
Even more retarded

When you go to Taiwan you just don't see the shit you see in China.

Nobody shits on the street. The women in Taiwan are not all crazy bitches. People line up properly. People have manners.

PRC is fucking dog eat dog, I would hate to live there even if it was richer per person than Norway.

it would still be a US rival but a better less communistic nation which never mandates a 1 child system or puts a ban on religion.

More developed because no famine and cultural revolution to stagnate China
You can thank Mao "traditional values and etiquette is bourgeoisie" Zedong
Tho to be fair, it differ widely from where you visit in China

By being fundamentally unable to rule most of China; look at how little their control over Fujian and Jiangxi was after the Encirclement campaigns. The KMT wasn't able to do much more than extract tribute from what were quasi-soveriegn states even before the Commies grew big or the Japanese showed up. That is a colossally unstable setup and would have collapsed, if not by Mao's boys, by another group that actually possessed the organizational ability to rule over and draw support from anywhere it could put troops on the ground.

Lived in Beijing for two years.

One thing that stood out for me was when a Russian classmate of mine visited Taiwan for a week on holiday.

He immediately moved to study in Taiwan and married a woman there. We were living in the centre of the capital city of China and one week in Taiwan convinced him it was better in every way, he's never looked back

>implying Taiwan is any different
Chinese culture is still Chinese culture
The Taiwanese are just richer

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Taiwan_food_scandal

wow a single food scandal, I guess all my experiences were wrong and Taiwanese people shit on the street and spit all over the fucking place after all.

Taiwan/HK never underwent the cultural revolution and don't have fucking nongs everywhere making a scene.

>single
Just type the shit in google.
You're literally splitting hairs.
All chinks are corrupt

In Taiwan it's a scandal.

In China it's everyday life.

1.You forget that the reason the Communist were able to enforce their control over the whole of China was because of the Japanese invasion that made regionalism suffer as a result.
Hell before the Japanese invasion there were no concept of a single Chinese identity.
2. Before the Japanese invasion the Chinese warlords didn't have the amount of troops and officers required to enforce their control of newly conquered regions as easily. They were busy to gain popular support among their already existing subjects.
The Nationalists would have easily been able to rule the whole of the mainland as the communists did after the Japanese invasion.

>In china A is A
>but in Taiwan A is B
Just stop posting user

Are some butthurt mainlander or something?

probably some Maoist dickrider

>1.You forget that the reason the Communist were able to enforce their control over the whole of China was because of the Japanese invasion that made regionalism suffer as a result.
What? No it didn't. I'm not even sure how you would go about demonstrating that sort of thing. I mean for fuck's sake, the Sichuan clique did almost as much fighting as the KMT proper, and that's just one group.

>Hell before the Japanese invasion there were no concept of a single Chinese identity.
All those attempts stretching back through history to unify China and forge Sinic identity must be very hard to explain then.

>The Nationalists would have easily been able to rule the whole of the mainland as the communists did after the Japanese invasion.
Extremely unlikely if their performance from 28-36 is anything to go by.

Tbf corruption is endemic to ALL rapid industrializing and developing ng societies. This includes in the West. Jist look at british french anerican and german history of the 19th century and tell me they werent corrupt. Read any fuckig Victorian novel and tell me there wasnt constant observation and denunciation of the corruption of those times. Chines development is no different, jist look at the PRC or the Asian tigers indistrialization

Theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with warlordism. Itd have the advantage of dividing china into manageable states with their own identities and less of a threat to world peace. Besides that the warlord era saw 300% increase in industrial production and other metrics of economoc growth were good to. Itd he the best possible timeline desu

Pretty much the same more or less.

>Chinese culture would be less psychopathic

That's a meme though.

channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/taiwan-jails-14-over-railway-sex-scandal-7886526

>Asian culture, music, stars would be WAY more popular in the west.

No. If that was true SK,Japan and HK would fill that spot today. Hint people don't want to watch Asians in the west and as demographic they are pretty small in general outside of Asia.

I love it when anons post about how a place would become a literal paradise if only event X occurred.

Literal paradise? No.
More like Taiwan, which IS the remnants of the Republic of China? Yes.

>every economy that didn't get conquered by communists got liberalized and exploded in prosperity
>communists only caught up by going state capitalist and still only end up with mediocre results

Weird it's like, letting deluded psychopaths control everything is like, detrimental or something.

Deng Xiaoping and state capitalism

Dikotter seems to view that 'Warlord' China wasn't that bad, and had the Nationalist won, it would turn China into a more open society.

Yeah, nah.

China was a piece of work by 1949 regardless who won the civil war. The task of fixing up the damn whole thing wouldve been enormous that China wouldn't end up like "LE JUST LIKE JAPAN!!! SOUTH KOREA!!!1!1!!" for a long time. At best it would be India tier.

This also discounts the fact that you niggers seem to not know that the the KMT was nominally united front: we're talking of warlords who just agreed to a ceasefire with Chiang following the victory of the Southern Warlords in the Northern Expedition 1929. If the RoC won the civil war, you may not have a Great Leap Forward Disaster, for sure, but you could possibly see cliques of generals and politicians squabbling with each other and Civil War 2.0

There's a reason why the KMT lost popular support m8s.

>Northern Expedition
Where did they get their guns from? Wasn't the Beiyang an army coup?

>1/4th of the enemy forces
>Wins
What? Explain this. Could the enemies not into strategy and tactics?

>Besides that the warlord era saw 300% increase in industrial production and other metrics of economoc growth were good to.
Source on this?

The Northern boys were pretty divided.

Also the KMT spent the whole of 20s building up their army. Largely thanks to the support of the Soviet Union, which Chiang secured.

KMT probably was using rifles against forces with swords and bamboo sticks

Like Taiwan

I don't even think a civil war would've been worse than what Mao did.

Is that another 50 cents?

The Northern forces were generously equipped by meddling Japs.

Furthermore the Northern Warlords possessed the better military forces than the Republic. Its how the warlord period started in the first place.

Mao restored the territorial domain of the Qing Empire, except for Outer Mongolia and Taiwan, and I doubt any other faction would of been able of doing that. Since they ended up on the wrong side of the cold war they were paranoid enough to be cautious to prevent the west from breaking up China.

forgot where i got the 300% figure. I might be wrong but i think it was in Jonathan Spences' book. this excerpt is from peter zarrow

You dumbass. Take all the millionaires and billionaires from a country, dump them on a island with already built modern infrastructure with full protection by the US military, and of course it's gonna look good.

About the same, since Chiang Kai-shek wanted a single party dictatorship pretty much like what the CCP has created today, and ran Taiwan as such. His son democratized the country to try to cosy up to the Americans.

>What? No it didn't. I'm not even sure how you would go about demonstrating that sort of thing. I mean for fuck's sake, the Sichuan clique did almost as much fighting as the KMT proper, and that's just one group.
Exactly, the Japanese invasion weaked the cliques, and the threat of actual Japanese occupation made call for unification more agreeable.
>All those attempts stretching back through history to unify China and forge Sinic identity must be very hard to explain then.
Except Tianxia = The World, the Sinic identity was only based on if you were cultured or not, and said culture depended on the Dynasty. Revolts also ensued as a result, the central authority undermined the people living in the regions. The most notable example are the Qin treatment of the Chu after unification.
>Extremely unlikely if their performance from 28-36 is anything to go by.
The Communists did even worse. . .

>pretty much like what the CCP has created today
todays ccp is quite a different beast from yesteryears ccp. china is doing pretty well for itself now that its put communism to the side
imagine if that had started 40 years earlier

But they did win, and they still rule China from the Capital in Taipei.

>win
>be americas bitch for half a century
>not even recognised by the un

Taiwan had it's good times under KMT's rule which ironically was an authoritarian government when they created economical boom back then, a bit like CCP nowadays.

However, after "democratization"(or "liberalization"), Taiwan now is heavily stagnated and infested with sexual degeneracy, anti-Chinese propaganda and separatists. The major ruling political parties are very eager to eradicate their Chineseness and "revise" their history, ethics , culture by multiculturalism which create highly antagonistic unstable society, a bit like the old CCP during cultural revolution or western libercucks nowadays.

t.Taiwanese

And have I mentioned historical revisionism , multiculturalism and "sexual revolution"(lgbt parades, fag marriage, feminazism...etc) are also kinda popular here? It's almost like we really are a lapdog or satellite state of western country(mainly US of course).

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They would have developed faster due to no Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution, probably fully industrialized and an "asian tiger" by the 1970s like Taiwan was.

Look at Taiwan, but on a larger scale, to see what it'd be like.

Pretty much the same except instead of pictures of Mao you'd have pictures of Chiang Kai-Shek instead.

Brainlet answer: China becomes a giant Taiwan
Real answer: China becomes a less shitty India

>Exactly, the Japanese invasion weaked the cliques, and the threat of actual Japanese occupation made call for unification more agreeable.
Except those cliques tended to have more soldiers after the Japanese invasion than when they started, as did all the surviving Chinese powers. They don't seem any weaker, nor did calls for unification start then or significantly strengthen in the meantime.

>The Communists did even worse. . .
The Communists managed to uproot themselves, march halfway across the country, lose 90% of their people, completely set up in a new province, and within a year are a major military force again, capable of exerting enough pressure that you get stuff like the Xi'an incident.

They did badly in the purely military situation, sure. But once again you're missing the point. The Communists demonstrated an ability for their ideology to take root anywhere, to draw funds and recruits wherever they went. The KMT did not. Even after evicting the Communists, they could not draw support from that southeastern area, which is why Chiang thought it was no great loss when the Japanese overran it. Battles like Changsha were principally done under warlord banners, not KMT ones. The ability of the KMT to actually unify and rule China is extraordinarily dubious, not a sure thing at all; and the far more likely scenario if they did manage to put down the communists is collapse into another round of civil war, either with the various warlords that they deal with, or with the party itself falling on each other, as they had no real unifying ideology, or with some newcomer from the many provinces they can't really control.

>as they had no real unifying ideology
Nationalism. It's literally in their name.

Tbqh as much as I hate Commies it would probably still be a corrupt mess of local states run by warlords and shit (See: African countries where the government doesn't have much control). The Commies did a good job of actually making a uniform government everywhere in China.

Theres a good chance the Cold War would have gone hot. I don't think the Soviets would have allowed an American-allied country the size of China sharing a land border with it.

But the ROC already proved that a unified china under nationalism is impossible due to chiang being incompetent, and that warlords have their own agenda.

>5 million rich chinks on a trade island with US financial aid and military support
>a billion starving illiterate peasants

One is not like the other

What the fuck? Taiwanese Chinese act like subhumans outside the rich cities as well. The Chinese gutter oil meme is straight from Taiwan.

Basically this. I think this would eventually coagulate into some cooperative military grand council or some shit. Authoritarianism is fully in Chinese character.

Tibet and East Turkestan could probably be independent and Mongolia might be a little bigger.

This. Taiwanese people, although much more culturally developed, are still, corrupted as hell.
t. Island chink

>They don't seem any weaker, nor did calls for unification start then or significantly strengthen in the meantime.
Then how the fuck did the Civil War start with two sides?
>The Communists managed to uproot themselves
The KMT went from a suppressed group to rule China proper.
>The ability of the KMT to actually unify and rule China is extraordinarily dubious
What is the Northern expedition?
Reason for KMT ruling China proper and warlords are their vassals is because Chiang wanted to eradicate the Communists first, he believed they would slowly infiltrate the party and leech of the success during the suppression of the warlords, which the Communist did.