Americans lost this

>Americans lost this

No, it was an overwhelming victory for the US. K/D ratio and every battle won. It has no bearing on the matter that NV broke the peace agreement later.

>No, it was an overwhelming victory for the US.
What does Clausewitz say?

> "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

What great political objective did throwing thousands of young men to their deaths fulfill?

>Clausewitz

Fuck that faggot Clausewitz. War is about glory and defeating the enemy. US won Vietnam hands down. This is why America is the greatest warrior nation in human history, it has won every war it has fought.

>winning a war is based on k/d

Vietnam not becoming Communist, which was accomplished in the peace deal made, of which America saw the war as being won and therefore pulled out, and the NVA took advantage of by breaking the peace deal.

It's really not that hard to understand

I bet you are also one of those retards who say a football team won because they had more possession.

Post pics of """glory"""

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>Thinking the US were the only forces in VN

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

The objective of the USA was to stop communism. They couldn't stop it.

>but they signed peace and the VC broke it

Then why didn't the USA intervened? Whether it's because of "hippies protesting" which is basically the stab in the back myth for burgers doesn't matter.

we fought that war with 1 hand tied behind our back, we only started making gains when Johnson decided to carpet bomb once in a while

Nixon did a lot better but all in all our own civilian population fucked over the soldier this war

>Boohoo 50,000 Americans died waaaaaaaaaaa
We could afford the losses. 50,000 is rookie numbers.
You should've seen the amount of dead the North Vietnamese had.

You should've seen the amount of dead South Vietnam had

It wasn't just 'hippies protesting', it was a whole anti-war movement funded by the KGB with the goal of spreading socialism.

>false flagging this hard

>muh stab in the back

>War is about glory and defeating the enemy
>Germany won WW2
>Japan won 2nd Sino-Japanese War

>our own civilian population fucked over the soldier this war
oh yeah because sending a soldier to a foreign country where most of the locals see them as an invader and where, if they don't die, they're probably going to get addicted to heroin and come back with PTSD isn't fucking them over at all.

It's not 'stab in the back' theory, it's collusion with a foreign power to commit treason and overthrow the liberties that make this country great.

>>Germany won WW2
They got militarily BTFO so no they didn't

military BTFO as in even though they fought hard they could not hold back a more determined and numerically superior foe? kinda like the USA in Vietnam?

Don't forget that they beat the Chinese in a war later and liberated Cambodia from the Red Khmers

Why is this more believable than:

a) decade long war without clearly defined objectives that was a money sink at a time when inequality at home was increasing
b) media from Vietnam were allowed far more freedom than in any US war prior or since, allowing Americans at home to see US committed war crimes, the futility of the conflict, and the deterioration of the soldiers serving there
c) this combined with the draft being in place as more young Americans than ever attended college and engaged in counter-culture

The idea that the KGB alone caused the collapse of the war effort is retarded when you examine all the evidence. Multiple factors ABOVE ALL the utter futility of a seemingly never ending conflict caused it to be doomed from the outset.

Going by Wikipedia numbers commies had 500 000 - 1 100 000 dead and 600 000 wounded while south and allies had 480 000 - 800 000 dead and 1 300 000 wounded.

It seems that the K/D ratio isn't so lopsided as I thought. Factoring in that US was a superpower with superior technology you'd think that K/D ratio would be worse for the commies. Why are people talking about K/D ratios regarding Vietnam War?

It doesnt include 300 000 American wounded i think

>US was a superpower with superior technology
There was also a logistic nightmare, poor organisation and planning, lack of information about the other side, and jungle warfare on the homeland of probably the best guerrilla force in history

Do ever tire, making the same thread everyday?

America was in a catch 22 here
They could've accepted H* Chi Minh overtures on self determination, which is probably the best thing but risk looking weak amongst allies that they helped propped up

Also risking the war longer would be unthinkable, the quality of troop was terrible,desertions,dereliction of duty,fragging etc and the looming financial crisis of the oil crisis in 1973

>fuck that faggot
>clausewitz
spot the poltard

Hell yeah! Except I disagree with that we won this war. No we lost because you guess it right (its me again, the conservative American patriot that btfo'd you on the last thread about us losing the war because pinko commie traitor scum) we lost the war because pinko lib-commie scum weren't being rounded up and put into camps for their treason and appeasement of the communist enemy.

They literally founded the wpo.

is the vietnamese the greatest warrior in the history of mankind?

Try harder.

FACT: Vietnamese are the most powerful race on earth

You clearly do not understand war, and glory can blind officials, thus resulting in huge mistakes.
Fuckin' EU4 fags

Why do britfags always bring up vietnam? Are they that mad we completely cucked them during the suez crisis?

Lol pol