Why all the civilizations, independent of each other started in last 5000 years, when our species has got about 200 000...

Why all the civilizations, independent of each other started in last 5000 years, when our species has got about 200 000? This looks like a strange coincidence, that they started in more or less the same time.

are they really at the same time, some change of climate and end of the last ice age mayhaps? im not very well read on the subject

>200,000 years

climate

We don't know when they actually started, although historians like to pretend they do.

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Climate change bitch

yes

it was after the ice age, no reason to believe there weren't civilizations before that ice age. there's no archeological sites left though, as giant iceblocks melting and sliding across the land pretty much grounds everything to a fine dust.

You think that the entire Earth was covered in ice during the ice age?

>are they really at the same time
Not at all. There's a gap of several millenaries between some of them.

there could have been civilizations before them, that did not left significant archeological traces

afaik civilizations didn't start on the same day, Mesopotamia had oldest cities in 9000 BC while in China first civilization was younger, i think 5000-3000 BC

5000 years is what we know, there are now estimations they go back as far as 10000 in syria for example. We don't really know, we only make a fact out of what we know at that present moment. Meanwhile there could have been civilisations far far before that 10000 year span, we just don't know nor do we have any archeological evidence to indicate so.

There's also a book Toth, arhitect of the universe which poses a rather interesting view on the pyramids. An independent archeologist does research on his own and concludes that the pyramids could be hunderds of thousands years old. Ofcourse this is not widely accepted and opinions may vary due to the amount of evidence and its presentation. But it's considered plausible at least. History is quite subjective and it also relies on what we see versus what we haven't seen yet. We think we know so much only because we don't know what we don't know.

not him and no, but with warmer climate some places become more suitable to produce food and water for a bigger amount of ppl

you dont need an icecap for a place to be unsuitable for ancient urbanization

ice age ended

>the pyramids could be hunderds of thousands years old
So they were built by literal apes?
>mfw the kangz theory goes too far

Probably because the climate became stable for long enough for large-scale agriculture to develop and for large communities and populations to develop.

>with warmer climate some places become more suitable to produce food
That's not what his post implied.

Gobekli tepe, that stone temple in Turkey is said to be from about 12,000 years ago.

Let me give you some context. The earliest known full language is Sumerian Cuniform which is about 5000-6000 years ago. Sumeria was long thought one of the earliest if not the first civilization.

The time between the impressive stone structures of Gobeki to Sumeria to the modern day is almost equally in half. Put in another way, man was able to build stone monuments of sophistication at the end of the ice age. That time period to now is about 12,000 years.

Theres prob all sorts of lost civilizations or proto civilizations that are forever vanished.

While I hate these types of pseudo sciencey stuff it must be said we know extremely little about the Sphinx.

Fuck off. Rupert sheldrake makes sense.

Not him ether but I think he was referring to the near instant and unbelievably destructive rise in sea level when ice dams would break, releasing giant lake of water into the sea. If a city would have been close to shore back then it would have been grinded down to peebles overnight.

Graham Hancocks books answers this. As user said above gobekli tepe is proof there were oldest civilizations

I always figured that basic attempts at agriculture and civilization had occurred before then, but for a number of reasons failed. Maybe natural disasters, maybe an unstable climate, maybe just generally bad luck, but they didn't really get rolling.
Eventually some of them just started to get lucky and actually maintain themselves.

Real answer: the last ice age ended around 12000 years ago, whoch coincides with the beginning of agriculture. The ice age raised eurasian homo sapiens' IQ, and made him smart enough to domesticate crops and animals, and therefore create civilization. Humans who didn't undergo this eugenic IQ increase remain at a low level of development today

Incas were superior to europeans though.

Agriculture had to wait for a thousand years after the end of the last ice age, since the climate needed that time to stabilize and become regular enough to support agriculture. The end of the ice age also caused previously inhabited areas to become too hot to comfortably live in.

Essebtially, the habitablr band shifted, and with that, humanity shifted and if there were settled civilizations before, they had to revert to nomadic hunting/gathering to find a better place to live.