I'm a normie. Explain to me what the holocaust skeptics are getting at?

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I address the ridiculously exhaustive explanations how holocaust didn't really happen and Hitler dindu, which go in step with calls for gassing the kikes

if you don't see how bizarre it is, I'm sorry

>>having to strawman your argument in the first place to "60 bajillion"
That's called hyperbole and parody , I was referring to the six million number. Do you deny the 6 million you fucking anti Semite? Don't make me call the police to have you arrested !

Why is that portion highlighted?

Because it accuses the Nazis of building of s small roller coaster that burns Jews alive?Meaning this book is a lie?

>That's called hyperbole and parody

also known as a strawman...

> Do you deny the 6 million you fucking anti Semite? Don't make me call the police to have you arrested !

youre doing it again. Notice how all you have is childish nonsense, yet get angry when you are treated like a child? run away little boy

Is there something about that perceived to be impractical?

why do you choose to focus on nonsense like this when literally no one takes it seriously? Is it because you have no real argument of substance to back up your silly internet conspiracy theory about the holocaust never happening?

Questioning the scope =/= denial

Yes? That is extremely inefficient and the ovens in auschwitsz could not handle whole carts of bodies being put into the all at once? Are you retarded lmao
No, THAT is a strawman. Where did I say that the Red Cross claimed there was only 300,000 Jews?
>Nowhere
Oh yeah

The problem is that most of these arguments of "rollercoaster" and "masturbation machines" are denied by scholars themselves. A good example would be the trial of Ilsa Koch. Someone accused her of having human skin lampshades. An investigation occurred and apparently it was goat skin.
>Some reporter had called her the "Bitch of Buchenwald", had written that she had lamp shades made of human skin in her house. And that was introduced in court, where it was absolutely proven that the lampshades were made out of goatskin.
The problem is of course no one will take shit like that seriously, or it will be investigated.

This is called holocaust denial to point out
>Elie Wiesel turns out to be a fraud
>Anyone who repeat this is an anti-semite
>There was no massive floor in Dachau that have way and had a 1 million volt charge burn all the bodies instantly
>the Nazis did not train dogs to rape Jewish women
>The Nazis did not make lamp shades and soap out of jews
>There is no mass grave site for victims of the holocaust or amounts of ashes consistent with the death toll of 6 million
etc

>No, THAT is a strawman

no, what you are doing is a strawman user. The fact that you already shitpost the thread off rails with these silly bitching about semantics which you dont even understand is a testament to the low IQ denier.

yes it is. You are, as we all know, some sort of nazi sympathizer who doesnt like jews for whatever reason. Holocaust denial has ALWAYS been, and always will be, based entirely on antijew ideas instead of any real quest for historical truth. This is made clear by the fact that deniers dont even know the basic official story of the holocaust in the first place. They just watched some shitty youtube conspiracy theory video made by some neo-nazi

>or it will be investigated
Except if it is investigated if the results disagree with the main narrative it is still denied. Every mass atrocity and genocide has number disputes but for some reason the Holocaust is something you can't touch.

>>There is no mass grave site for victims of the holocaust or amounts of ashes consistent with the death toll of 6 million

oh yes, this uberskeptical claim where you demand to see every last corpse or it didnt happen. lol

>Every mass atrocity and genocide has number disputes but for some reason the Holocaust is something you can't touch.

I love how you faggots spend all day every day denying the holocaust, yet bitch as if you are persecuted victims because you cant deny it

M8 arguing with an argument your opponent hasn't made is literally a strawman
>Straw man
>an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument
Then you just made an appeal to character otherwise known as ad hominem
>If you deny the official narrative of a holocaust you need to be a NATZEE

>Except if it is investigated if the results disagree with the main narrative it is still denied.
What? I just provided you an example of the "lampshade" meme being denied. You can literally look it up on wikipedia even, showcasing how they weren't made out of human skin. The investigation was even done by Allies, who, again, confirmed it was not human skin publicly.

>Except if it is investigated if the results disagree with the main narrative it is still denied.
From most of what I've seen and read,the ideas thas disagree with the main consensus have been flawed in their research and estimates, which is why a single consensus in the first place.

>to see every last corpse or it didnt happen
No? It's just that here is no mass graves consistent with the death toll. On the flip side people like you see a few pictures of starved Jews and assume that 6 million of them were gassed and died.

QUESTIONS FOR DENIERS!

1) How much money did Steven Spielberg personally make off his movie "Schindler's List?"

2) If the Anne Frank story is a hoax, why did the storytellers give her a very revisionist death (transferred AWAY from Auschwitz, to die later of typhus in Bergen Belsen) rather than symbolically attributing this innocent life's demise to the gas chambers? Why needlessly complicate the story and diminish its climax? Unless of course, the story of Anne Frank is not a story at all, but reality which is told exactly the way it happened.

3) Why did so many Nazi officials carry cyanide pills with them? And why did they commit suicide upon capture by western Allies, often involving said cyanide pills?

4) Why did Hitler, Göbbels, Himmler and several other high ranking Nazis commit suicide, often even before capture, if they had nothing to hide? If it was merely because they were afraid of what might be done to them at the hands of the Allies, then was their belief in martyrdom as innocents so non-existent?

5) Why does the overwhelming majority of holocaust deniers today and in the past consist of civilians unaffiliated to the NSDAP rather than the once convicted Nazis themselves, or their descendants?

6) Even if Hitler and friends were right about International Jewry all along, how does it justify the mass deportation of Polish Jews, most of whom were poor, uneducated and in no way related to any rich Wall Street capitalists? How do you justify laying blame on an entire people, for alleged actions of a tiny few? Answering this question with a question (Japanese internment camps) is evasion and not a valid answer. Using a sensationalist newspaper headline (Judea Declares War on Germany) which even National Socialists themselves did not take all too seriously, to justify the incarceration of an entire people as a logical reaction, is also not a valid answer.

7) Speaking of, give us proper elaboration of exactly what evils the aforementioned Wall Street capitalists of Jewish origin actually did? Or are you going to attribute something as mundane as inflation or financial depression to "the Jew"? If you want to bring up Black Tuesday, the Wall Street crash of 1929, kindly deliver proof it was all organized by International Jewry.

8) And why on earth do you keep bringing a proposed (perhaps even partially enacted) economic boycott in 1933 as legitimate casus belli to incarcerate an entire people most of whom didn't even take part in it? Again, pointing out to Japanese internment camps is a classic example of whataboutism, rather than answering the question.

9) Regarding the deportation and forced incarceration of an entire people solely due to their ethnicity, given that you like to equate what befell the Jews in Europe to what befell Japanese Americans in the United States, and given that you like to lay the blame concerning the high mortality in the concentration camps to allied saturation bombing, how will you nevertheless explain away the crucial difference of Japanese Americans essentially relaxing in their camps while Jews were put to back-breaking labor and housed like animals in the German camps?

I love how you're detracting from the main point
>Every massacre and genocide has a debatable scope
>Except one where if you deny the main narrative you are sent to prison
Why is that ?

10) If your hypothesis about Allied bombing destroying the infrastructure of Germany to the extent that it worsened the situation of concentration camp detainees when it came to supplies is correct, why don't you provide a SINGLE credible, independently verifiable case where a concentration camp's food supply was directly affected by allied bombing to the extent that for example the rail lines leading to it were destroyed, and therefore supplies could no longer reach the camp properly? I can wait. If you say Nordhausen, you lose, because that was firstly not a concentration camp (the Boelckekaserne was a Luftwaffe barracks/prison), and secondly that is not the subject of this question (allied bombing allegedly destroying supply lines to concentration camps resulting in lack of supplies, starvation etc.)

11) Why don't revisionists attack the 50-60 million total death toll of WW2 in the same way they attack the Jewish death toll? Can anyone break this number down to the sum total of all casualties sustained in all battles fought and how many civilians died in which city during which year? And if that's not possible, then why accept this number without much question while writing volume after volume of why only the Jewish death toll is a hoax and at the same time claim you aren't fueled by antisemitism?

12) Why are there no movements in the West to deny other genocides in history, such as the Rwandan genocide where 800,000 people were killed in around 3 months (that's 8,888 people per day!), or the Stalinist purges, the Holodomor, or Mao's Great Leap forward? How are all those death tolls historians provide accepted without question, why aren't almanac comparisons made, census data questioned, official documents alleged to be forgeries, eyewitnesses dismissed with a casual hand-wave and so on?

>an example
1, singular , that was done early on in the narrative. There are still people who defend the narrative today just like other debunked bs has been

Stop pretending to be a third party observer. You said 6 bajillion, which is a strawman. Then you said I was going to call the cops on you, which is also a strawman. you engage in childish shit like this because you are a child and its the reason no one at all respects you and why you are seen as the creationist of history

You can get put into prison if you deny the Holodomor in Ukraine as well, you also could've been imprisoned in France for denying the Armenian genocide. This isn't inherently exclusive to the Holocaust.

>singular
Provide me a single historian who believes in the "rollercoaster" and "masturbation machines"

oh look, more strawmanning and persecution complex bullshit. You are activly denying the holocaust, yet bitching about how you cant deny it. As if this is even an argument in the first place or even true.

see
its almost as if actual historical research is respected while neo-nazi conspiracy theories are treated like the retarded trash they deserve to be treated as

This is also true in Cambodia and Rwanda.

>It's a moron spams a pasta episode
1 a lot
2 why not complicate it to give an intricate story?
3 because they knew they would be tortured. Ha you should look up how brutal POW's were treated on the eastern front of all sides
4 because they would be tortured and executed anyways
5 doesn't matter
6 ethnic tensions are ethnic tensions , and the Havaraa agreement was going to give them back israel. You had boycots and general jewish hated of Germans so Hitler deported those who didn't fit the Mischling Test. Also you can't just >inb4 ethnic tensions
7. Germans blamed Jews and international capitalism for WW1 and we're just tired of dealing with them. Jews were very involved in Marxist / modernist movements as well which people disliked highly. Jewish banking was just capitalist banking , but Jews themselves were highly represented in these schemes
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>""""Proposed""""
Like I said before ethnic tensions that go back hundreds of years combined with jews being over represented in everything most Germans hated.
9 who gives a shit?

>which is a strawman
No it refers to the status quo of 6 million which you are in fact defending
>More ad hom
Cute

>single historian
First of all I said people, and Jews do still believe a lot of this and second of all I was referring to the graves which most historians chalk up to
>Muh ovens

This

>If your hypothesis about Allied bombing destroying the infrastructure of Germany to the extent that it worsened the situation of concentration camp detainees when it came to supplies is correct, why don't you provide a SINGLE credible, independently verifiable case where a concentration camp's food supply was directly affected by allied bombing to the extent that for example the rail lines leading to it were destroyed, and therefore supplies could no longer reach the camp properly?
All of them
>Source
Allied bombing Germany and general food scarcity which almost lead to the starvation of all of Berlin had it not been for allies flying in mass amounts of food at the end of the war.
11) some do, there is always a debate of numbers
12)there are, for all of those. Especially holodomor denial

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Don't we have several eyewitness accounts from survivors detailing what happened? Along with photos of body dumps of prisoners taken by the units that liberated the camps? How can people really deny the Holocaust happened? I mean, I can see a way you quibble on the number of deaths because that takes a lot more evidence to get a solid figure for, but to deny the event took place is stupid and shows a complete intellectual dishonesty.

Except like I already said that's a false equivalance, the non existence of mass graves is usually explained by muh ovens and a fabricated document that claims the Germans had more ovens than originally discovered and that they just bombed "some of them" instead of all of them to hide their crimes

As if...

>stupid and shows a complete intellectual dishonesty

Welcome to Veeky Forums, get out while you still can.

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>It's a let's repost old meme images that stormfront and /pol/ have countered endlessly so we can just serial the thread with old ass meme images kind of poster
Let's not

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>that stormfront and /pol/ have countered endlessly
Except they haven't
It's actually been the other way around. Their shitty "redpill" infographs have been relentlessly BTFO

How many Jews existed in 1939?

How many existed at the end of the war in 1945?

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>He's still doing it
Lemme guess
>Fred Leuchter
>Nazis were lying
>6 million is true even with typhus
> No mention of lacking mass graves
>3756 number of Auschwitz ovens that has since been debunked
Wew

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Except they have, you can go to stormfront or /pol/ right now and they have meta level meme images that are friggin massive that have red text countering all of this.

What you're essentially doing is spamming arguments so fast in the hopes that no one has time to respond to them which is exactly what /pol/ does with the counter images

BTFO

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>/pol/ right now and they have meta level meme images that are friggin massive that have red text countering all of this.
Can you share some, then?

>Except they have, you can go to stormfront or /pol/ right now and they have meta level meme images that are friggin massive that have red text countering all of this.
You're free to post them here then

On mobile. Go there and find out. Especially stormfront. I'm guessing you're that type of fag who spams the imgur link of a bunch of these images and time /pol/ decides to spam holocaust threads

they're not "getting at" anything; there's no miraculous truth that holocaust denial will lead anyone to find. that said, there might be merits to the reason any particular denier attempting to do so, but if there is that denier happens to be a gigantic retard

see, the thing is the cultural zeitgeist has made it so the ideology of Nazism is The Prime Evil. if something is evil, it's because the nazis did it, and if something is good, it's because it's the opposite of everything the nazis stood for. the reason this zeitgeist came about was because people were quite justifiably appalled at some group murdering millions of people and sparking a war totally out of lust for conquest, and so decided it was necessary to take "revenge" against the ideology out of a pursuit for "justice". the moral imperative is now for every person to spit on the grave of the nazis as much as possible, rather than to make the world a better place to live or anything like that.

some holocaust deniers realize that this zeitgeist is a bit bullshit but happen to be retarded and think the core problem with it is that the guilty verdict rendered against the nazis wasn't justified, not that the idea of some sociopaths doing outrageously shitty things doesn't justify completely re-framing global thought to shit on them as hard as possible is retarded. as a result, they engage in absolutely futile efforts to "redeem" the nazis, thinking that without this that zeitgeist cannot be destroyed.

of course, then there's also people who think such binary thinking is actually justified but resent that the ideology that killed millions and sparked global war happens to be the evil side instead of the good side. there's nothing good to say about that lot

You're free to go there and find out. Something you've probably never done lmao. I can spam a copy pasta if you want

This thread is disgusting.
Infographs and ugly propaganda images

I'm genuinely asking, I didn't spam jack shit in this thread. Also if that's the case why don't they just post their rebuttals here instead of keeping it to themselves? would incite discussion.

People see holocaus denialism as some big nazi plot and that everyone who denies it is a nazi. Holocaust denialism exists because of the exaggerations that have been building up on top of it, because that is how humans work. Stuff like jew soap, faked pictures of Nazi warcrimes, which the soviets were very fond of. It creates an environment of doubt in relation to nazi war crimes and makes swallowing the holocaust denial hook much easier.

Wait, doesn't that disprove Holocaust Denial? If the joos wanted us to believe Assad had gas chambers, wouldn't that instantly and universally be accepted by the media and academia and military they use to make us believe the holocaust happened?

>Also if that's the case why don't they just post their rebuttals here instead of keeping it to themselves?
Because keeping /pol/ on /pol/ is one of the rules of Veeky Forums, and most oldfags of /pol/ are now on 8pol. Go to Iron March, 8pol, and stormfront if you want holocaust denial, and maybe leftypol for holodomor /gulag denial

>Assad gassing his own people wasn't universally accepted by the media
Except it was, then this narrative popped out of nowhere like it does all the time. Whenever Jews have an enemy they are gassing their own people/Jews. Next it will be Iran that has gas chambers

The rule of Veeky Forums is to not make this /pol/ with dates, that means no "Historically speaking, why were niggers always retarded?". It literally says here on the sticky:
>History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.
So they have full righ tto share this.

Since deniers have already shitposted their own thread into oblivion, I will just be posting some neat images

>Don't make this place /pol/
>Veeky Forums promotes holocaust denial
Pick one. We don't support holodomor denial threads either :/

>Stormfront
Ah yes the same website that made pic related and tried to pass them off as being Allied propaganda pictures despite the fact that they can't be found in any scholarly source anywhere on the internet outside of Stormfront. They also claimed that Stalin gave an order for Soviet troops to don German uniforms and fake atrocities.

>you're free to go there and find out. Something you've probably never done lmao.
I've been to /pol/ many times. Never seen any refutation of the images I posted.

>I can spam a copy pasta if you want
Go ahead then

It's not what I meant. I'm saying that /pol/ can post their infographs here if they are rebuttals, which will then be analized and a conclusion will be reached. Saying that "Veeky Forums goal is to keep /pol/ in /pol/" is sort of silly in a way, since they are, by the rules, allowed to post their infographs (i.e conflicting viewpoints).

>Imgur
Yep, it's only these same type of fags who post other people's arguments and post meme images of immense arguments in the hopes people cant find the time to asnwer.

Sad!

find me ONE history book that actually uses any of those photos

If Hitler didn't kill 6 million Jews then how is he a hero?

That's what I'm saying

deniers know the holocaust happened, they just pretend it didnt happen in the hopes of recruiting more members into their fold

>I can't find the images when I hit right click and search Google therefore they are fake
Hahahahaha
>I've been to /pol/ many times
>I haven't seen the counter meme images
Hahahahaha go to 8pol then

Jews embellish the events in order for a bottomless alms bowl.

>It's the same kind of faggot posts the same kind of images over and over again to protect their egos
Hahahahaha

>single sources detered by single sources

>I can't find the images when I hit right click and search Google therefore they are fake
Show me a single scholarly source in which those images are used
I'm waiting

Is the main narrative Intentionalist or Constructionist?

Was there really any serious planning by German to relocate Jews that was deterred by the British Navy?

>the same website that made pic related
I've made that picture and I've never been to Stormfront in my life.

I can't because posting a source that disagrees with you makes that source unscholarly a priori. Please tell me how stormfront is wrong with using ad hominem though?

get redpilled
imgur.com/a/725A7

They're getting at recruiting for neo-nazi movements by trying to rehabilitate the original group.

Exactly as I predicted

prove it

Why don't you post the source?

>Please tell me how stormfront is wrong with using ad hominem though?
Why do you think? They are biased as fuck

>no one takes it seriously?
you SJWs beg on your knees every day apologizing for the roller-coasters

>Everyone I don't like is an SJW
Oh /pol/

Is this how the world works in your trash horde surrounded by grease-stained nazi posters and urine jars? Because in the real world this isn't happening, just in your mind stormfag.

Depends on who you ask

>prove Schindler's list isn't real
Ball's in your court hasbarat
Even without getting into the details of revisionist claims, Hollywood at its ethical best has promoted untruth, regardless of the subject material. It just so happens the Holocaust is a prominent topic because of the Jewishness of both Hollywood and the film critics.