Tfw you realize that neo-liberalism is actually great

>be not pants on head retarded
>only retarded people are poor or struggle

>Don't be fucking average then, whew so hard, huh?
good solution for the majority of the population which will always be average

>Literally everything is voluntary you scumbag faggot
voluntarily go to work or voluntarily starve

>Any respectable profession pays you enough to do practically anything you want.
fantasy

>if other people can,
>if you only try hard you can go to the top!

>he thinks neoliberalism is meritocratic
I know you're baiting but i'd like to point out that there are people who actually believe this.

>it is not a level playing field
So? There are people who rise to success from complete homelessness. What resources do they have? Which resources are unavailable to you?

>By the definition, people can´t stop being average.

There is a collective statistical skill level that can be called the average level. If you hone your skills you end up on the other side of the bell curve. What the fuck are babbling about?

>only retarded people are poor or struggle

Pretty much. I would add lazy too.

>good solution for the majority of the population which will always be average
I don't know what to tell you, life is competition. if you are a useless retard, you're not gonna have a good life, nor are you supposed to.

>voluntarily go to work or voluntarily starve
Yeah. No one is making you do anything, my expwoited fellow.

>if you only try hard you can go to the top!

You don't have to get to the top you god damn imbecile, that's the point:

>Any respectable profession pays you enough to do practically anything you want.
>fantasy

I can already tell you are a minimum wage tier retard that probably hasn't seen his bank account reach even 5 figures. Literally every fucking autist I know, who managed to get into a higher education requiring job position is rolling in money.

They're called average people. Very few actual elites have this mentality.

It's meritocratic enough for you to reach a point where money stops being a life or death issue, that's the point. You're applying the same fallacy:

>But, ugh, like, this one guy has, like, 50 private jets! Grr, the system is rotten! Surely this is why my life sucks!

It doesn't matter. I've seen ordinary people who simply followed directions laid out for them by society reach positions where they're making more money than they can spend by living without constraints. Will they have 50 jets and 100 helicopters? Absolutely not. Every other form of entertainment is available to them, without even cleaning out their pockets that much.

I swear to god, it's like the key argument you're using is "someone has it better than me >:(".

If everyone does that the curve bells moves with you boydo.

honestly chill out mate
rags to riches stories are hardly the norm
even mild poverty has tangible, measurable impacts on the development of people

but anyway look, it's not ridiculous to be asking for a better quality of life for the majority considering it's entirely possible without significant cost to the minority

also that stuff about not supposed to have a good life is really mean spirited and you know it, and i doubt you'd say it in a public forum because you know how shitty a thing it is to say

you fuckwit

in an era of debt, stagnating wage growth and a real decline in household assets the conversation will be had and i am confident it will swing towards a very light socialism

just get a better job what's so hard about that? don't be average

do you really need it spelt out for you?

Just make more money user then you wouldn't be a poorfag.

>be me
>born into poverty
>raised by drug addict/mentally ill/abusive family
>through sheer force of will and dumb luck secure myself a good job as an adult and have an amazing wife
>still have to go to therapy to cope with feelings of inadequacy, self-hatred etc because of childhood
At least I can afford the therapy?

idk, I've done ok for myself but that hardly means everyone can. I'd rather just do away with the conditions that produce shitty people.

indeed the core of your statement is true but you can concede that, due to no failings of their own, an individual may have significant barriers to achieving this?

>If everyone does
They won't, that's the point. There will always be those who fall behind. Don't give me this "the hurdle is moving, so I won't climb it" bullshit. The hurdle is static, dusty and rusty, entrenched by excuses of failures.

>rags to riches stories are hardly the norm
Sure, but it shows you it's doable.

>even mild poverty has tangible, measurable impacts on the development of people
It's the other way around

>it's not ridiculous to be asking for a better quality of life for the majority considering it's entirely possible without significant cost to the minority
>Look, I'm too retarded to take care of myself, so you do it. Got it porkie? Hehe praise Marx ok

>also that stuff about not supposed to have a good life is really mean spirited and you know it, and i doubt you'd say it in a public forum because you know how shitty a thing it is to say
I dream of a world, where you could say it, user.

>i am confident it will swing towards a very light socialism
God forbid

This man gets it.

Just win the genetic lottery and be born rich user.
>You seriously haven't picked up on the flawed logic?

wage stagnation is measurable issue. Your dollar today is worth less than your grandfather's dollar. That is the point everyone is making

you are insufferable how old are you out of curiosity?
you can say it in this one you coward but you're too afraid of to reveal what you really think, to afraid of your peer's opinions

pathetic, truly

is the idea of a good life for all man really that unpalatable to you?

>ESLs

>I've done ok for myself but that hardly means everyone can
Why?

So your counter-argument to "make more money" is "it's hard lol"?

Quit kicking out the social economical ladder your family just climbed.

Why did you include this fucking sob story? No one cares.

This. Elites don't give a fuck about making the system meritocratic, but making it look meritocratic. This is so that they can sidestep the inherent privilege they enjoy and browbeat any dissenters as stupid or incapable just as how OP browbeats anyone who disagrees as losers.

The true irony is that the people who genuinely wanted meritocracy and the person who coined the term and critiqued it (but not denouncing the idea), coz he feared the above would happen were both [spoiler] socialists [/spoiler]

>You have to be gineticalee shupeerior to make a comfortable amount of money
Wow, the bag of excuses really is bottomless, huh?

And? Who gives a shit about my grandfather? The measuring stick stats with me and those around me. Conditions are the same.

>you are insufferable how old are you out of curiosity?
Approaching 30.

>you can say it in this one you coward but you're too afraid of to reveal what you really think, to afraid of your peer's opinions

Why would I reveal myself? It would cause me inconvenience. At some point people won't have to be ashamed of the fact that they're simply better. I welcome that world.

>pathetic, truly
How's the minimum wage lol? Gotta love those zero-hour contracts.

>is the idea of a good life for all man really that unpalatable to you?
I enjoy the fact that there are those below me. There always will be. You're just butthurt that you're at the bottom. Accept it, grow up, and change it.

?

>he thinks my parents climbed anything
>he thinks my parents are rich
>he thinks I'm American

ok man
randall is born in bumfuck, iowa, voluntary and in agreement with the non aggression principle
picking himself up by the bootstraps he waltzes into his small town's second rate school and receives a very average education
in his immediate area there are limited options for employment and even fewer for employment with traditional career progression in mind (at least in my home country of australia this has been furthered hampered by short term contracts, casualisation and cuts to penalty rates- shit rolls downhill)

he's got a girlfriend and his wholesome but humble family in bumfuck, iowa, a limited education and not much money to finance him

his circumstances are certaintly not as dire as they could be but what is he going to do? uproot himself from everything he's ever known, his family and his girlfriend to pursue the chance of better work in the city? this also further compounds the problems in his home anyway?

ed: this point is not as strong as it could be but i didn't want to stray into hyperbole anymore than i've already

>Conditions are the same.
So the African just off the boat ESL is in the same condition as the ivy league grad. If you really believe that you're retarded

yes, comfort is achievable indeed and congratulations on presumably having reached this mark tug your some more in celebration

however for the middle and lower classes in the west quality of life is declining while wealth inequality growss- does this not bother you?

this whole thread is you patting yourself on the back

>I enjoy the fact that there are those below me
>Requiring a economical social class to feel better about his life
Hey you missed the rally on Saturday.

>what is he going to do? uproot himself from everything he's ever known, his family and his girlfriend to pursue the chance of better work in the city?

Yes. Solved, next.

>same condition
Same opportunities. What's an ESL? I'm not familiar with the term.

he's an edgelord or a sociopath

you are too thick to be reasoned with

>Same opportunities
uh no. Your family's money buy opportunities. If you can not see where an extra ten thousand in college education doesn't make a difference you need to go back and erase your education from your resume and try getting the same jobs as before. [spoiler]You don't get the job[/spoiler]

>Requiring a economical social class to feel better about his life
Oh I don't need it or require it. It is quite satisfying though, like a cherry on top.

>Hey you missed the rally on Saturday.
Why would I associate my self with dumb smelly racist neo-nazi LARPers? I discriminate by achievements, not by race.

Out of arguments already? Instead of making childish appeals to emotions, take a sober look into yourselves. If my words dig deep, it's because they're true.

those that pay tax, should be the ones to decide who has fun. either no one pays tax and everyone has fun, or noone has fun and everyone pays tax.

you haven't made a single point, clarified any of your arguments or rebutted anything other than 'get rich lol'

you are saying 'get rich' or 'get lucky' and failing to see the reality that it is not as easy for everyone, making this argument hollow

>If my words dig deep, it's because they're true.
They don't mean anything to me because my family has money. But it's precisely because of that fact that I am cognizant of how others must struggle and toil, perhaps to no avail, for what I have "earned" merely by existing.

>What's an ESL?
you

>I am blind to the hard work others have done for my benefit
kys fucking parasite

>got a job being a lobbyist for a Japanese drinks company straight out of uni
>travel to the Japan at least once a year on the company's card
>23 and already making $80,000USD

Feels good being a world citizen

This guy gets it

>Out of arguments already? Instead of making childish appeals to emotions, take a sober look into yourselves. If my words dig deep, it's because they're true.

>says the guy who's been doing that all thread

this
this is the post

>If you can not see where an extra ten thousand in college education
I'm not American

The rich pay the most tax.

What do you mean I haven't made a single point? Which points would you like to be clarified?

> it is not as easy for everyone
Nor is it supposed to be. But it is doable, and if it's doable - it's not an excuse.

So you're completely unfamiliar with the situation.

Clarify please

Not an argument

Good men.

Still no arguments in sight. It's like arguing with a religious retard, except Jesus is replaced with Marx.

>I'm not American
Who gives a shit, blogposter? That's the case for Americans.

what's a single argument have you made?

not only that, but if he's implying that he got free college education (because he's not American) he's literally reaping the benefits of socialism lol

>>If you can not see where an extra ten thousand in college education
>I'm not American
>Obvious Deflection from point
You are objectively acting retarded now. How do you get a job without education? How do you get an education without wealth?

Fuck your Ayn Rand fantasy which doesn't exist

>be first worlder
>city where i grew up is now 60+% third world foreigners that don't even speak english
>city is ruined because some economist thought that this would increase GDP

thanks neoliberalism

The case is identical to all Americans though. Same conditions apply. Just as the same is true for me.

>free college education

Nothing free in this life. I'm sacrificing a lot of my salary to pay it back. A flaw in the system truly.

What do you mean? Is my position regarding other peoples economic failures unclear to you?

Don't be a loser, move elsewhere if you don't like it.

Does this mean you regard people like Miley Cyrus and Markiplier to be your superiors?

>lobbyist
>paid money to ruin your country's democracy
And people shit on humanities for not having a real job

pretty soon there's going to be nowhere to move to, every city is going to be a """"""""""""""""""""""""world city"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

So disconnect yourself from your family and friends, find yourself in a foreign environment and contribute further to the multiculturization of the world, leading to a cultureless, dehumanized future?
NEO-LIBERALISM FUCK YEAH

>Don't be fucking average then, whew so hard, huh?
No matter who wins, the antifa or the alt-right, this attitude is going to stop.

>find yourself in a foreign environment and contribute further to the multiculturization of the world, leading to a cultureless, dehumanized future?

Why is this worse than what you're offering?

>dehumanized

How so?

That's not a good thing, though. Average shouldn't be normal, it leads to stagnation.

>be not pants on head retarded
It's proven that people who are morally inept are stupid.
Fuck off sociopath

>Literally destroy the entire planet
>replace traditional cultures with a disgusting consumer culture that robs people of the basic freedom that comes along with being human(being able to support yourself and do what you want without paying for it)
No thanks

>being able to support yourself and do what you want without paying for it

When did such time exist?

Are you implying that traditional cultures are somehow capable of this?

>when did such a time exist
All of human pre-industrial history
>traditional cultures
Of course, assuming their land,natural resources, and labor isnt stolen out from under them by international business and state actors

Maybe it would be more clear if I said
>without working a wage for someone else/debt to pay for it

>All of human pre-industrial history
Society is already heavily industrialized and will continue to be. Are you implying it should be dismantled?

>Of course, assuming their land,natural resources, and labor isnt stolen out from under them by international business and state actors
They're not stolen, they're bought.

>Are you implying it should be dismantled?
No I'm implying we can keep our sophisticated technology, and modern luxury without the shit ass corporate command economies and financial systems that are giving us this bullshit. Not only am I implying that, I'm saying if we don't global society will inevitably collapse.
>They're not stolen, they're bought.
Bullshit. States often sell the land out from under people to the world bank without their consent, leading to the extinction of their culture.
Take the bambuti people who are going extinct in the Congo to supply lumber liqidators ATM

>Why is this worse than what you're offering?
What am I offering?

>How so?
Neoliberalism doesn't care at all about culture, only about animalistic competition on the market. Multiculturalism and capitalism, if left unchecked, will destroy national identity and any art that isn't the most populistic entertaining garbage, such as Hunger Games, pop music and superhero movies. Actual cultural diversity all over will be extinguished, turning every country into a materialistic American province.
When I think about it, I could've used present continuous tense and it would be equally correct.

even if you work hard and have job security or the rights the banks could fuck you over

>as I said be not pants on head retarded

kinda having trouble subscribing to that since implying trickle down economics actually work proves you're actually having a hard time not being retarded

>No I'm implying we can keep our sophisticated technology, and modern luxury without the shit ass corporate command economies and financial systems that are giving us this bullshit.
I don't see that happening at all. Greed and boredom are behind every new toy. Without companies the engine stops.

>I'm saying if we don't global society will inevitably collapse.
Why would it collapse? Are you using the old "infinite growth, finite resources" argument? Growth doesn't have to be infinite. If stagnation comes it will simply be rebranded as something else.

>Take the bambuti people who are going extinct in the Congo to supply lumber liqidators ATM
Our lumber is more important than shmimbuti people.

>Why would I reveal myself? It would cause me inconvenience. At some point people won't have to be ashamed of the fact that they're simply better. I welcome that world.

I literally cannot fathom being such a fucking narcissist. Kill yourself and remove your pollution from my gene pool.

Feels is not an argument

>What am I offering?

Well, I'm assuming you're offering a sort of reversal of the things you have described.

>Neoliberalism doesn't care at all about culture, only about animalistic competition on the market. Multiculturalism and capitalism, if left unchecked, will destroy national identity and any art that isn't the most populistic entertaining garbage, such as Hunger Games, pop music and superhero movies. Actual cultural diversity all over will be extinguished, turning every country into a materialistic American province.

Why is this a problem? I don't care about national identities. High art does not concern me either - as long as there are tastes, there will be something to pander to them.

>Our lumber is more important than shmimbuti people.
You honestly disgust me.

>i dont see this happening at all
I'm not even a little bit surprised.
New thread theme youtu.be/GZDl_R8Zp2E
>why would it collapse
The ecological repercussions of destroying most life on earth and changing physical earth systems. We do not exist independent of the world around us, stability is held in place by synergistic balance, order breaks down with its parameters. Things are getting worse and they will only get worse, there is no question about this for anyone who knows what they are talking about. The pressing question is wether or not we can survive without complete societal collapse, and the ever more likely prospect of human extinction.

>Our lumber is more important than shmimbuti people.
So you are a sociopath? I see no reason in talking to a literal retard whom I view as lower than the ticks I pull of my dick.

>even if you work hard and have job security or the rights the banks could fuck you over

No one is forcing you to take loans, everything is voluntary.

I agree. It's bizarre that most people here are trying to contradict me using examples like "average joe has to leave his family to find better employment ablobloo ". At least you understand.

Not an argument. Relax, compose yourself, and come back with one.

>be american
>even the poorest american has better conditions to lift himself up than most of world
>still complains it's too hard

I'm in the top 1% of my shitty third world country and I'd kill to be in the bottom 99% in America. You guys have no idea how easy you guys have it

>I'm richer than poor people
>therefore neoliberalism is the best economic theory

Not an argument

I've traveled all over the world. Where you at?
You shouldn't be envious of Americans, should should want their international economy the fuck away from you.
The poorest people I meet are freer than 99% of Americans. Most Americans, Europeans, and East Asians aren't even human anymore.

>The ecological repercussions of destroying most life on earth and changing physical earth systems. We do not exist independent of the world around us, stability is held in place by synergistic balance, order breaks down with its parameters. Things are getting worse and they will only get worse, there is no question about this for anyone who knows what they are talking about. The pressing question is wether or not we can survive without complete societal collapse, and the ever more likely prospect of human extinction.

>Muh environment

So it is "infinite growth, finite resources" argument. As I said, when problems will get big enough and it will no longer be possible to ignore them, the system will start to adapt to new realities, forcibly even. I'm quite sure there will be violence, poverty and death, but complete collapse? No, why would that happen? Anyway, that is distant future. Not our concern really.

>So you are a sociopath? I see no reason in talking to a literal retard whom I view as lower than the ticks I pull of my dick.
Empty words and insults. Our lumber IS more important than bambooty people, we both know it.

I'm in Latin America.
Why do you have so many opportunities in life and waste them away with stupid rethoric like that? International companies bring jobs, products and opportunities most people here can only dream of. I worked at a top 5 world tech company and I wouldn't have any other way, especially if I compare with the average national companies we have here.
Just kys, you obviously hate yourself too much.

>>Muh environment
The concept of an environment is illusory, drawn by arbitrary boundaries. There is nothing in actuality that functionally separates from the world around us.
>So it is "infinite growth, finite resources" argument.
No, it's not. What part of "stability is held in place by synergistic balance, order breaks down with its parameters." did you not understand? All of it I assume.

>As I said, when problems will get big enough and it will no longer be possible to ignore them, the system will start to adapt to new realities, forcibly even.
If you think ecological systems trend towards equilibrium you're retarded. That's not how it works.
If it trends toward equilibrium it's because enslaved entropy has been released and we are heading towards complete collapse.
>Anyway, that is distant future. Not our concern really.
As an ecologist I observe it every day. Everyone who isn't completely detached from the world they live in does.

Does this mean you regard people like Miley Cyrus and Markiplier to be your superiors? Answer the question.

Ofc, I forgot the part where you said you were on top.
The """opportunity""" you have is really just you being capitalized.
Go ask a real human how they feel.

>having a job automatically means you're being exploited

just kys

In the end globalism will bring us communism

>I don't know how international finance works

Tfw OP is the revolutionary vanguard of glorious global communism without knowing it

>I don't understand voluntary agreements

>Wood is more important than an entire culture of human beings because they're dumb niggers who haven't figured out the same shit we did with the resources of an entire world at our disposal while they're in a fucking jungle

>Empty words and insults

Nah senpai you're a sociopath

kys

>I don't understand that retards volunteer for a lot of stupid shit
Pretty sure they natives never volunteered to have their habitat destroyed

>comparing a job with genocide

damn imagine being you everyday.
No wonder you hate having to work so much, must be really hard

I hate contrarians but I always end up being contrarian accidentally. When Alt-right fags were trendy in 2015/16 I was a full blown neo-lib. Now that the alt-right are fags and neo-libs are cool I'm starting to see the flaws in neo-liberal ideology. I swear I'm not doing it on purpose I just read some convincing sociology

Not an argument. Come back when you have more than ad hominems