Is it fair to judge history through modern political lenses?

I was just posting an example. Don't compare me to the Incatard.

>Is it fair to judge history through modern political lenses?
Well humans have been anatomically modern for far longer than recorded history.
So given that historical humans were the same intellectually as modern humans it's fair to judge them for being cunts that should have known better the same way we judge 3rd world countries doing dumb nigger shit.

How else can you judge history?

I like how he is universally despised now.

Who?

United Statian detected.

t. Eurangutan

>Is it fair to judge history through modern political lenses?
No. But it is bound to happen. Personal bias slips in too. History can be more or less objective if you stick with being descriptive but I am skeptical of fully objective history.

Sure, if you're aware that's what you're doing.

You can do it, but it isn't very useful. Saying
"You know, Thomas Jefferson was kind of a dick by modern standards." doesn't tell you anything about him in the context of his time, or why he did the things he did.

No.If at all possible a historian shouldn't judge history at all. Historians are supposed to be impartial, objective observers, at least if they are Historians in the truest sense of the word. Any judgement in the moral sense of a historical society, individual or practice would go against this. The only reasonable judgement that can be passed is relative to the opinions of the time in order to clarify the political atmosphere. It is not right to say that Napoleon=Hitler, but it is perfectly alright to say that many of Napoleon's contemporaries reviled him and his tactics in proclaiming the Empire and destroying the republic, or what remained of it.

Yes
How else would you judge it?

You just have to be consistent. If your judging things by the time then you have to do so for all times in all places. If your judging by today's standards you have to do so for all times and places.
I prefer not to at all, it makes more sense to discuss why a group felt the need to do something than focus in on how it was shitty for the other group.

Can we list the stupid shit that this cuck has said
>communism created ancient civilizations
>The Greeks should have surrendered to the Persians because they were superior
>calling someone great is sexist

Only to an extent. God knows I don't want to be seen as a monster 500 years down the line because the future happens to be vegan and I'm a meat eater.

yes, duh

>No.If at all possible a historian shouldn't judge history at all. Historians are supposed to be impartial, objective observers, at least if they are Historians in the truest sense of the word.

Literally all historians prior to like the 1970s disagreed, they all pulled moral lessons from history and made judgements.

No, it's not. You cannot judge a person for not being morally correct according to a zeitgeist which simply didn't exist at the time. You instead have to judge history by the moral standards which existed at the time you're studying. You can't talk about Cicero's homophobia when the modern conception of homosexuality and heterosexuality quite literally wouldn't be invented for centuries, if not millennia.

Anyway Green is a fucking hack and shouldn't have been given a platform to talk about history that's been considered outdated for a half-century under the guise of being "progressive".

Yes but this is not possible as we are judging by nature. A good historian should try to become aware of once's biasses.

Being a historian used to be all about giving an account of history with your bias in full view. Do you think Voltaire was being objective when he shit on the HRE?

No.

It's not even productive. The whole point of studying a subject like history is to understand it. It's hard to understand the subjects of your study if you're constantly pausing to think about how evil they are and how much more moral and intelligent you are.

Why did Columbus kill natives? He was a evil racist.
Why did Caesar invade Gaul? He was a evil imperialist.
Why did Henry V have his wives put to death? He was a evil misogynist.

People's motivations are complicated and the kinds of things we'd consider these days - civil liberties, treating people equally, etc. didn't even occur to most people of the past. Concepts like racism didn't even exist throughout most of history. Looking at any pre-enlightenment history through a social justice lens literally blinds you to ALL the motivations people might have had at the time except for the ones you made up for them.

It's not just wrong, it's literally the opposite of what you should be doing.

i don't think it is, a comfortable, well nourished and well informed person today can pretend they are better and people used to be 'stupid' but back then people had it much harder, relationships between friends and among the communities were very different from today.

To understand a culture now or in the past, it's obvious that you need to look at it through it's own view. But this is just understanding some shit and is not a moral judgment. Obviously if I want people to believe I'm an authority on certain event or culture, then I have to be able to say how do they think and all of that which then I can exemplify as something I consider wrong for some other reason.

Good luck not doing it tbqh

Of course he is. He shitposts absolutely everywhere and whenever some makes a post that BTFO him, he just doesn't respond to it and keeps baiting the retards.

Some Peruvian/Peruvian backgrounded poster on Veeky Forums who, at every opportunity (and I mean every) opportunity, espouses the evils of Europe and how the Incas will rise again. No, I'm not kidding you.

His catchphrase is 'Eurangatans'

Be China
>Have gunpowder since the 2nd century
>Build fire lances
Be the UK
>Have gunpowder for a few centuries
>Build Dreadnoughts

What did China mean by this?

Who BTFO'd him? All I saw was buttblasted retards falling for the bait over and over.

That's wrong, though.

>be china
>create civilization
>be europe
>...
What did yurop mean by this?

>be china
>create civilization
>He actually believes this

I hope China gets destroyed in a war with Russia and Japan.

Best part is guy's probably a rape baby.

>be china
>create civilization

>be europe
>"I hope China gets destroyed in a war with Russia and Japan."

>implying i'm in Europe

You aren't an eurangutan?

It's ignorant

No. Why should we expect people in the past to understand our modern moral standards, most of which have only been popular since the 19th century? We are just asking to be judged poorly by future historians with new moral standards

>doesn't understand that moral standards are developed over extended periods of time and vary wildly by era.

>he doesn't believe in the return of the Condor King

In germany we rename streets and remove memorials to racists like von Lettow-Vorbeck. Why should former national "heroes" get a pass on their racist and vile behaviour?

One should at least be aware of and upfront about ones biases. And this still doesn't invalidate the point

He probably got BTFO'd and is just complaining about him.

What point? Not him btw

I'm just saying that the idea of a historian being objective is a very, very modern idea. Our parents grew up in a time when that wasn't the case and historians were fully expected to interject their own personal thoughts on the subject. Read any of John Keegan's work on the first world war and you'll see.

Or hell, Voltaire's famous quote of “History is filled with the sound of silken slippers going downstairs and wooden shoes coming up.” That is a moral judgement on civilization, that becoming civilized makes us soft and vulnerable compared to (usually steppe peoples) those who grow up in hardship and thus are toughened by their upbringing, and that eventually the barbarians will destroy the empire.

i hope he dies slowly and in pain for the millions of brainwashed zombies he enticed. Every time I see his souless eyes I wonder how many goths, junkies and homeless he will create with flashy stickmen and loud music. How long until his mask slips and he is devoured by his own diseased neo-marxist cause? I hope he withers and sees all he holds dear dead and rotting and then maybe I will begin to forgive him.

European/American history? Hell no

*USAian

They are desu, they managed to create a massive administrative state without writing or the wheel.

This.

Why do you hate me?

Sure, so long as you are aware you are doing it.

No

>WOMEN WERE BASICALLY CHATTEL

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. IT IS NOT FAIR IT JUST MAKES IT ALL SUBJECT TO SHITTY COMMON THOUGHTS THAT CHANGE REGULARLY

One day they'll erect a statue to Obama

50 years later the same people's kids will tear it down because he was a bigoted meat eater

And a smoker, though apparently he's tried to quit and moved to nicotine gum.

>Europe had guns when Chinks didn't
>The Heilongjiang hand cannon or hand-gun is a bronze hand cannon manufactured no later than 1288 and is possibly the world's oldest confirmed surviving firearm.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heilongjiang_hand_cannon

>50 years later the same people's kids will tear it down because he was a bigoted meat eater

And?
The cruelty of factory farming will be totally unnecessary when synthetic meat production becomes advanced enough.

Yeah, he and his video making can be really fucking annoying.

Yeah but not all meat you eat comes from factory farming

?

Incoming rant about eurangutangs

I really want to know who that dude is, just to laugh at him

Lol you're not fooling anyone, incatard

Simply a thing that you can't avoid

This. Good take, though sadly this kind of thing is lost on many, it's just certain politics, can't help it can you!

I prefer to understand the actors and read stuff from the horses mouth as much as possible, just a preference thing in the end.

But the Chinese didn't use the power properly.

But they did, you're living in it now.

he just posts the same shit over and over again. It's like that "ancient egypt was Ethiopian" idiot.

sad.

I think Columbus is gonna get fucked in the next alt-left culture purge.

I hate the green brothers. I really hated him when he latched on the blacklivesmatter nonsense back in 2014.

don't forget bombed "people of color".

equally as important, depends if you're looking for a guide for the future, or to have a better understanding of the past

Wait what the fuck. I visit Veeky Forums once every couple of weeks, I thought it was just some meme that popped up.
It's one fucking guy?

Wrong. This is the heritage of north-african and mesopotamian civilization.

Nah, wrong. That is just the heritage of whatever human society preceeded them. It turns out we all just owe everything to the africans :)

Yeah, there's also some Turkish dude whose catchphrase is "whi*Te".

No it's anachronistic

Wrong. The first civilizations were those. The rest have been copying them. Europeans did the same. Try again.