Why don't communists receive as much chastisement as the nazis?

Saying /pol/, isn't an argument.

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Because the media are Leftists.

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Because the Black Book of Communism counts deaths from old age and natural causes as a death toll. Robert Conquest was a CIA propagandist, nothing more and nothing less.

Because they had """""good intentions."""""""

Because our countries have been infiltrated by communists

there is nothing morally wrong with communism unlike nazism. Also most modern communists usually hate Stalin while neo-nazis literally worship Hitler.

Because they were on the winning side in WW2. Simple as that, really.

Because the communist agenda doesn't involve killing people. Nazism is all about slaughtering certain demographics.
Now how one would achieve communism without slaughtering dissidents and forcefully redistributing the wealth is beyond me, but on paper you don't have to kill anyone to become a communist state.

There is still a shitload of tankies running around.
And call me a statist or whatever, but forceful redistribution of wealth is a no no and morally wrong in my opinion.

Good ideas done poorly are better than bad ideas done poorly.

>redistribution
ctrl-f "overcoats"

They win the ww2, unlike Nazi, also comunism was see as viable alternative at the time.

>Czechoslovakia
>65k
???

Forceful redistribution of wealth is still peanuts compared to gassing anyone who doesn't look enough like you.

Because the nazis lost the war.

A huge percentage of communism's deaths were unintentional. That doesn't make them not horrific, but it's not like Mao wanted a famine when he ordered the sparrows killed. Never attribute malevolence when incompetence is applicable.

In what fucking reality did Communist Yugoslavia kill a million people?

All of these numbers feel hilariously overblown to me.

At least with Nazism SOMEONE will get ahead, with Communism we'll all be miserable and starving together.

>I have never read the Gulag Archipelago, the post.

I have seen communists praise stalin time after time, he saved Europe from the nazis after all.

>murdering people because they're the "wrong" class is not comparable to murdering people because they're the "wrong" race!

You anti-human Gommie filth never cease to disgust me.

I'd love to see an itemization of these numbers

Forceful redistribution of wealth doesn't necessarily involve gassing children wehraboo scum

Dumbass. I never mentioned anything about murdering people.

They may be inflated, I'm sure the total deaths inflicted by communists out weighs those by national socialism.

necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

Marcus Tanner, Croatia: a Nation Forged in War
Bleiburg massacre: est. range from 30,000 to 200,000 returning POWs k. by Communists (The upper number being favored by Croat nationalists)
Ustashe camps
acc2 Communist govt: 600,000 k. in Jasenovas
acc2 Banac 120,000 k. in all camps
acc2 "others": 80,000 k. in all camps
acc2 Pres. Tudjman: 60,000 k. in all camps
Total war deaths (according to one study)
Serbs: 487,000
incl. 215,000 in Nazi and Ustase camps
Croats: 207,000
Muslims: 86,000
Jews: 60,000
TOTAL: 947,000

Not him and I agree, but are they intentional deaths?

Commie sympathisants ussually don't call for genocide or anything explicitly violent. If they do, then they do receive chastisement.

Johan Wüscht, Population Losses in Yugoslavia during World War Two (1963), estimates a total population shortfall of 2,210,000 in the 1948 census. After accounting for emmigration (700,000) and a drop in births (423,000), he reckons the total number of deaths caused by the war and its aftermath to be 1,100,000. He also points out that adding up all the accusations of atrocities commited during the war far exceeds this calculated number of deaths, so one of them is wrong.

Are you more or less dead if you are intentionally killed, or negligently killed?

Leddit and /leftypol/, also anarkiddies think anything other than their libertarian leftism isn't real socialism

but thats what they always end up doing, doesn't that make them even more dangerous than a nazi? At least with a Nazi we can see his intentions from a mile away and can act accordingly

>that pic

What the fuck is this horseshit

Intent matters. Yes it doesn't matter to the people who die, but it does still matter overall. That's why there's a difference between manslaughter and murder.

Definitely, but that's not what I'm asking
I mean something like "this massacre/famine/whatever: x amount of deaths" like . The sources clearly have a huge level of discrepancy on that site

Gee, it's like the Nazis were around only for a few years on small territory.

Leftypol and leddit started trying to """""colonize""""" /pol/, Veeky Forums, and Veeky Forums in late 2016. Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums were , for some reason, thought to be leftist just because we aren't a board full of national socialists. So now you have a bunch of leftists memeing about how amazing Tito was in Yugoslavia and muh Anarchist Spain

Gee, it's like communism produces the same outcome in every country they try it in.

Both of those concern the war itself, the OP's tally is strictly after it.

Killing millions more isn't as impressive when you've got 50 years to do it. Nazis and Imperial Japan together accomplished a fuckload of death in a very short amount of time.

The only major colonization from Reddit is from r/the_donald
Reposting the same pic over and over again from a tiny subreddit isn't going to prove anything

Nazis systemically killed millions of people in a relatively short period (less than 10 years). yea, a lot of that was in the context of war - but a war they started in which they invaded those same countries with the mindset that the invaded people were inferior on a primordial, intrinsic level

communism was definitely repressive, but so many of their deaths were gross incompetence (all the famines/poverty), or via prison/torture/eliminating dissent (which is something a lot of non-communist authoritarian regimes do too)

Doesn't change the fact Nazism is evil of greater intensity.

Communists also had several decades to do it.

Most of the death under the Nation Socialists were due to famine from food collectivization under the Hunger Plan, which was a method of countering the food collectivization of the Soviet Union under Scored Earth policies. Also, unlike the Nation Socialist, Communists don't have the excuse of war for the dekulakization, the purges, and the Holodomor. Also
Maoist China's/ brutality/incompetence >>>>>>> Nazis. Let's not even bring up the Khmer Rouge...
>Inb4 tankie memes

>>>/Leftypol/
>Leddit didn't begin to infect Veeky Forums until le Donald
>Only le Donald infected 4chsn
Pathetic.

I kind of disagree actually, Communism seems more evil and malicious because it doesn't discriminate. It's not as cartoonishly evil as Nazism but its just as every bit, if not even more, evil.

Shit it's completely misanthropic, at least the Nazis somewhat care about their own people

It wasn't though. The soviet union was much more barbaric and sadistic than nazi Germany ever was.

Again, when you have 50 years to do it, it's not hard.

>posting a tumblr reaction image as your argument
What's it like being retarded

The Holodomor lasted a year , and happened before the war even began

Not to mention the Russian Civil war...

>Hunger Plan
Had clear intention of reducing "surplus" population and doesn't account for majority if deaths caused by the Nazis.

>posting a tumblr reaction image as your argument
>Ignoring the text
What it like being illiterate and retarded?

>The Holodomor lasted a year
>killed an officially estimated 7 million to 10 million people
>mfw didn't know it only lasted a year

*Actually does, holocaust only killed 6 million the majority of all the other deaths occurred from forced famines and whatever shit the einzatsgruppen got up to to put down """"partisans""""

>implying you had even written anything approaching an argument
I'm surprised you can even read this. Or is your helper reading it out loud to you?

>Implying I'm wrong in saying that leddit began to infect Veeky Forums before le Donald was a thing and that left parts of leddit didn't infected Veeky Forums as well

>I'm right because I'm right

>at least the Nazis somewhat care about their own people
They cared about their own people about as much as commies did.

>Communism seems more evil and malicious because it doesn't discriminate.
Not discriminating is evil? What?

>Hunger and war forces common people to cannibalism
As opposed to state solving shortages of fats by extracting fats from industrially slaughtered people?

>You're wrong because I say so
When did I make an appeal to authority via appealing to my own competence? I posted a screenshot of /r/socialism trying to infect Veeky Forums. If you lurk on /leftypol/ you'll see that they make references to Veeky Forums and Veeky Forums all the time .

It killed at most 7 million people (the whole famine). Holodomor (famine in Ukraine) killed roughly 3-4 million people.

>It killed at most 7 million people
Or ten million at most according to actual historians

You post that same screenshot practically daily, if it were true you'd be able to come up with far more evidence

Tragic picture. Same things happened in Leningrad - a city that was deliberately starved to death by the Nazis.

>actual historians
like?

>You post that same screenshot practically daily
>It's just one guy who posts that 24/7
Topkek that's some hardcore tinfoil you have there
>Something more substantial
Than a screen cap of Reddit users saying they think /r/Socialism needs to colonize Veeky Forums? Like what?

According to which historians? How old are their books? We know that most people died in Ukraine. According to Ukrainian historians 3.9 million people died in Ukraine. Kazakhstan was also hit very hard - historians estimate that from 1-1.5 million people died there. Where are the rest 4-5 million? Please tell me.

Look up "Holodomor death toll" or just go to citations of the wiki page and start from there.

I think we should use Lyach-o-meter, as Poles were invaded and genocided by both sides.
>How many Poles joined Axis?
>How many Poles joined reds?

>he isn't familiar enough with the board to know its posting patterns
>like what
More than one picture you literal retard

And here comes the leftypol autism.
>UN officially says 7-10 million
>01/14/19793_nalivaychenko_nazval_kolichestvo_zh.html
>Rosefielde, Steven (2009). Red Holocaust. Milton Park: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-77756-8.

I took your advice and I got following:
>Whole famine
6-7M
>Holodomor
2-4M

Only ones using 10M number are politicians (with clear conflict of interest) basing it on unreliable numbers (birth deficits).

breaking the chains of authoritative industrial life is a cool goal. turning into the people you just slaughtered is not cool.

>lefty Leddit says it's going to colonize Veeky Forums
>Pro communist shitposting increases
Have any proof that stormfront shilled here
>Inb4 posts screencap while saying screencap don't amount to anything
Kek

No it involves stealing from and sometimes shooting people on the basis of their class.

Before you call me a wheraboo I'm convinced both ideologies are toxic to a good society.

that is like step two to a communist revolution and often the key to the really successful ones.

:^)

>"We're taking your wealth!"
>"No"
What do?

I still don't know whatever is this parody of Conquest's BB of C or if someone meant it seriously.

>>lefty Leddit says it's going to colonize Veeky Forums
>>Pro communist shitposting increases
You have no proof of any of that. I've been here since the inception of the board, and the only increase of commieposting comes during summer with the rest of the summerfag shit. Of course, you also ignored my point that you aren't familiar enough with the board to know it's posting habits.
>Have any proof that stormfront shilled here
I never said anything about this you braindead moron

Just type "who killed more Hitler or Stalin, Timothy Snyder" into Google.

If you want all the archival work look for his book, Bloodlands. Really, accounts of the Hodolomor and Great Terror are horrifying enough without quadrupling the death toll.

The only reason to do so is to do what aboutism for Nazis or Imperialism.

THIS

See
Yeah you haven't been on this board long enough if you haven't seen all the no true Scotsman communist shitposting increase along with ridiculous images like this lmao
>I didn't say anything about stormfront
Oh okay, then I guess /pol/ isn't s problem at all. You can't prove that it's a problem.

>Yeah you haven't been on this board long enough if you haven't seen all the no true Scotsman communist shitposting increase along with ridiculous images like this lmao
>t. I have literally no idea what summerfags are
Did you get here yesterday?
>Oh okay, then I guess /pol/ isn't s problem at all. You can't prove that it's a problem
I never said it was and aside from the usual summer shit, it generally isn't.

Also, China had massive famines in the century before Mao. It was ruled by warlords in an Afghanistan today type situation early in the 20th century, and then had a multi decade civil war and got raped by Japan.

Mao deserves blame for incompetence and violence, but it's highly likely that a nationalist China would have had similar problems.

>I-its just summerfags!

Well, Rosefielde isn't a historian.

60s cultural "revolutions", coupled with the fact the west never fought a full fledged ww3 style war against the ussr.

Yea, that worked out for Hitler

>Also, Russia had famines before the Holodomor so saying that the Holodomor was a problem is just innacurate
Explain.

>he doesn't know about the exoduses of serious posters during the summer
You really are new here

>Moot days traffic doesn't change
>W-well that's because serious posters leave and newfags enter
>Its not just a mass delusion!
>All the communist shitposting is just summer fags and not leddit/leftypol even though if you lurk on leftypol they mention Veeky Forums plenty
Wew lad, so much autism outside of /r9k/

I like this better

Did you not google his name and read the wiki, senpai?

>extermination of indigenous americans
lmao
>nigger being niggers is somehow capitalists fault

Myself and most everyone I know essentially leaves Veeky Forums during the summer.
> even though if you lurk on leftypol they mention Veeky Forums plenty
You haven't shown anything that would support this, as your single screenshot is from Reddit and not double Chan.
Here's a challenge: name three native memes from Veeky Forums

>Wiping out world hunger, disease, and war is easy
>All you have to do is re-distribute the wealth
>Redistribute wealth
>Everyone still dies, they just die in larger numbers and faster
>N-not true communism

That is what I said brah.