The history of Irish rebellions has largely been a history of failures...

The history of Irish rebellions has largely been a history of failures, aside from perhaps Collins and Hugh O'Neill who did pretty well.
Are there any reasons they did so badly? The United Irishmen/Wolfe Tone are hailed as heroes despite doing an awful fucking job.

potatofags are bad at everything

Bad luck mostly

In regards to United Irishmen it seemed mostly like bad leadership, I'm just confused as to why everyone worships them in that case.

They make some absolutely god-tier rebel music.

Ireland has a higher gdp per capita than usa

Because they tried their best against the odds even though they knew they would lose. In 1916 the leaders had no hope of winning and it was intended as a symbolic gesture, but the British response radicalised the population and finally led to the end of the British occupation in most of Ireland. The rebellion of 1798 was totally disorganised like in 1916, it was supposed to be a nationwide uprising but that didnt happen.
If France or Spain had landed a decent sized force in Ireland at any point between 1500-1812 they would have most likely held it due to local support.

only because they haven't fallen for the socialism and mass immigration memes yet

Yes it has actually, Ireland had a gay Indian prime minister

Wolfe Tone had shit luck and bad Irish-French communication from both sides.
Not to mention the Irish were armed largely with pikes as the British were gun grabbers.

He's hailed as a hero for his goals and effort. What he desired to make happen was entirely just and admirable.
See A fight for freedom is still heroic even if in vain.

I guess I can understand the sentiment, it'd just be nicer to see some successful commanders and battles to give substance to it all.

Being cleverer than a retard doesn't make you clever.

the son of a doctor and center right, doesn't count

Why did the english feel the need to control Ireland at all? Seems to me they hated the irish so much that they wouldn't want to live in one country with them

It was a very natural route of expansion for them. They didn't even really do a very good job of it.
Their control was eventually whittled down to a tiny area around Dublin; it was only when English autism kicked in that they genocided their way to full control.

Strategic reasons. Ireland is close to them and the British were terrified at the idea of Spain or France using Ireland as a forward operating base against them.

Plus the Anglo-Irish landowners and the Scots-Irish laborers made a killing off of exploiting Irish labor and resources. The Irish beef and pork industry provisioned the Royal Navy as well as fed Britain and other colonies. Irishmen were also excellent soldiers for centuries.

How were the scottish treated by englishmen compared to the irish? Were they branded "celtic subhumans" too?

Because the first started controlling it in the Middle Ages when other territory was scarce. Plus, if you don't control it, an enemy might. This might explain why they wanted to keep it in the later early modern period. If France or Spain got it, it'd be ogre.

We're getting there.
Getting scared desu

I can't say I'll pray for you, but I hope you get yourself straight, Brotatoes

The biggest victory is that we trigger the Brits just by existing. We also MICKed the USA and are working on the UK now.

Quick N handy guide to every Irish rebellion ever

>massive initial success
>continued success
>key leader is killed/leaders start to fight amongst themselves/foreigners try to appropriate the rebellion for their own ends
>successes start to peter out
>Anglos start to win
>one last minor Irish success
>but then the rebellion is decisively defeated

>says in English

You forgot the part where they write a song about it. My favorite is Croppy Boy

>Says in 60% French

what said.
You can thank the USA for English being what it is as opposed to England.

>vocabulary
at least we didn't give up our language

By killing off a majority of our native speakers you just made it easier to take over your Anglo friends and eventually you. Londain and Sasana soon my friend.

You did, English has lost nearly every grammatical case it had, and is almost entirely analytic.
You can barely parse Chaucer, let alone anything Orm ever wrote.

still English

>give up

Incorrect. Bullied to the point where it was no longer viable.
Anglos worked very hard to erase one of the oldest languages in Europe, such is their destructive way.

Thankfully, there is a massive resurgence and everyone hates anglos now! Including anglos.

So is Sadiq Khan

>Lack of manpower
>Happens to be ruled over by the most powerful nation in the world, which is also right beside them

>most powerful nation in the world
>Medieval England

How does this count as a victory when Gaelic is a dying language? Once its completely gone, you'll have one less variable separating the Irish from the English assimilating everyone in the Isles.

Well, that'll only matter until Arabic becomes the de facto English Language. Then, there'll be a pretty clear demarcation

>Arabic
There are more Spanish, Indian, and Cantonese/Mandrin speakers then Arabic ones in the world, user/

Our favourite pastimes:
1) Drinking
2) Rebelling against the Brits
3) Betraying each other to the Brits

3) is the big problem.

Indian isn't a language.

There are plenty of Indian languages.

He probably means Hindi, which has like 420+ million speakers and India's population growth isn't showing any signs of stopping.

>The United Irishmen/Wolfe Tone are hailed as heroes despite doing an awful fucking job.

What about Patrick fucking Sarsfield amirite?

>creepin on the enemy camp
>intel says the enemy is using my name as their password
>we could literally enter their camp on the dl
>slaughter them unawares, epic victory
>aw HAIL naw nigga, password? my man wants a password? password, he sayin.
>MUTHAFUCKING SARSFIELD IS THE WORD and mah dude
>hol up
>[licks lips]
>you finna say
>you trynna tell a brotha
>that SARSFIELD IS THE MAN

I used to yell PATRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK SARSSSSSFIELD in the chat playing WoW, in the Leroy Jenkins voice. [spoiler]No-one ever got it :([/spoiler]

Which is less than the number of Arabic speakers.

"Gaelic" is a language family, not a language itself

The Irish language, which I'm assuming is what you mean, is growing healthily

Is it, though? I basically never encounter anyone speaking it, and I don't even know if I know anyone fluent in it. I know it's a popular choice for parents looking to score that bilingual IQ bonus, but in terms of actual functional use... I kind of suspect not, you know? Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like we're always hearing about how Irish is constantly growing and I've never seen anything to actually indicate that.

The Irish are good fighters. They have always been good fighters. A unified Ireland would have always been an extremely formidable kingdom.

But people overlook how the island worked.
They see "Ireland" as a country throughout all of history when arguably it can be described as a mini-europe.

Several territories all constantly shifting in borders as all of the various leaders fight for control. It wasn't a "unified" people.
Saying "England invaded Ireland" would be similar to-for example-France invading Mercia, East Anglia, Northurmbria, etc and viewing all of those states as "England."

It is retarded to group together the various bickering Chiefs as a collective identity as Ireland was a very cutthroat place. Other than norse niggers and anglos, they rarely had to worry about an external threat; there were fuck all big scary Kingdoms eyeing up their lands other than the Anglos.

Despite this, they continually put up a hell of a fight despite lacking resources, manpower or really ever having a military capable of squaring up to any of the medium-big players in Europe.

There wasn't really ever going to be a time when they didn't get their shit styled upon, but it is good to commemorate them for trying for a just cause.

England's """""""""""conquering""""""""""" of Ireland is a messy and humiliating stain on their history. Yes, they definitely "btfo'd" the micks but they got slapped far, far harder than they should have been as they did so.

More of a case of sentiment toward it is growing in favour. Not him, but it's easy to see even in fucking Belfast.

>422 million Hindi speakers
>420 million Arabic speakers
No.

its only exclusively spoken by 90 year old boggers living in stone huts in the west. It won't survive the 21st century.

It's actually kind of the opposite in my experience. It's quite trendy among youngsters in urban areas. Aulder yins are more likely to blame having to learn it for their lack of prospects

It doesn't matter how many people speak it if it's not their primary language. It will become like Latin in medieval europe, everyone can speak it but nobody actually speaks it.

Why has Ireland with its relatively low population and size been able to have such a big impact on the world militarily, culturally etc. Are they, dare I say it the master race

1. They haven't
2. They had a bunch of really, really, really good Scholars. Definitely up there amongst the top-thinkers.

state of mick delusion itt

>state of mick delusion itt

Where?
Everyone agrees with OP that they generally got their shit pushed in and explained why.

Aside from a few baitposts it's been a fine thread, faggot.

by being one of the Anglo's first dominions

Piggybacking off the linguistic dominance of English. Same with our football team, which won't do well again until theirs does, too, and a bunch of very good but slightly less than the best players declare for us so they can get their game.

>It will become like Latin in medieval europe, everyone can speak it but nobody actually speaks it.
The primary language of literature, religion, science, the arts, and diplomatic communications?
Cool.

I think he's implying England dindu nuffin and they wuz good bois and Micky had it comin'

Sruthán breoite, dearthair.

I doubt the Irish tongue will ever come close to Latin's influence or standing in Europe.

ITT: thick Irish cunts. Don't forget where you planted your potatoes.

t. Muhammad Kalif, proud resident of London

The United Irishmen were counting on a French invasion in 1796 which failed due to bad weather. After the failed invasion the British launched a crackdown which weakened the strength of the movement before the 1798 rising.