This guy talked a lot about Roman heritage, the nobility of nationalism and tradition, and more generally...

This guy talked a lot about Roman heritage, the nobility of nationalism and tradition, and more generally, in every speech of his he hyped the fuck out of Italians and European reactionaries (there is a long list of top tier intellectuals and artists who actually believed him).

Here's my problem with fascism: while the propaganda is beautiful (I'm Italian, so I can actually imagine that Mussolini was talking to my "group"), it's mostly lies. All of our wars (colonial and WW2) were absolutely pathetic (and immoral even for the standards of XX century warfare, since we used to drop mustard gas on Ethiopian and Erithrean civilians), our economy was a joke, our international presence was downright laughable. Basically everything he told us turned out to be a lie (Hell, even today Italians have to mention insignificant things like the purifiication of certain swamps, or the fact that trains used to come always in time).

So here's my question: how can people still be Fascist in 2017? Was the propaganda that good? Is there something I'm missing, that goes beyond the historic records?

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Mussolini:
>Uniting Italy and Vatican (by minimal compromise of allowing religious studies in primary schools) - something considered impossible by the liberal governments preceeding March on Rome and the unity broken by the 'Christian'/Socialist coalition governments following him
>Ending class hatred and forming (almost) Corporative state; not going full retard with five- or four-year-plan with the aim of heavy armament (but thus in 1938 no longer could stop the Anschluss like in 1934 - when four Italian divisions alone stopped it and when Anglos and France did nothing)
>Being the good guy loved by every conservative Anglo-Saxon before being forced to form the Italian Empire and finally being forced to the Germans, because of the complete indifference to the European peace by Brittons and French
>Not being blindly Nationalist (knowing full well that Italians are nothing but Mediterraean bastards of many nations) like the ('He's mad, he's mad!') Austrian steeling the opportunistic parts of his political system
>Loved by the Italian Popolo, who always flogged the streets before Palazo Venezia, cheering 'Duce' so enthustiacally that he coudn't deliver a speech; the same Popolo playing innocent 'Anti-Fascists' and joining the 'resistance' en masse after the Communist partisans had summary executed him and his lover Petacci and after the Allies had liberated Italy from German occupation
>The Fascist Italians, who didn't release a single Jew to the Germans before the formation RSI (which obviously was a German puppet state, in which Duce had no power at all) and formed refuges for the Jews in areas occupied by them in France and the East.

By the standards of the dictatorships, Mussolini's was by far the least brutal. There was repression of the Communists in the trade unions, but not the large-scale torture and genocide of political opponents to be found elsewhere in Europe. He needs to be judged in the context of the insurrectionary Italian post-Great War experience, rather than by the peaceful liberal standards of modern "democracy".

L'Italia รจ un paese artificiale, gli "italiani" per se non esistono.

t. Furlan

>Made Italy's economy far better than pre fascism
>Ethiopians started using a type of bullet that was banned under international law
>Powerful navy that would have been a major threat if the anglos didn't pearl harbor it
>Massive Military with about the casulties of the brits
>Far more industrialized

Allying the H*tler was the only mistake.

Mistake would imply there was much choice. Mussolini couldn't stand Hitler but being threatened by Britain and France basically forced him into the only other state that was in opposition to those two, Germany.

This.
Sometimes i wish that Mussolini died and Balbo didnt, so we get to see fascism live on.

Britain tried as hard as they could to get Italy into the allies

He should have allied with Czechoslovakia and liberate Austria.

fascism is literally feels > reals
it romanticizes a version of the nation that never existed

Yes because race idealization is not about feels, right?

>implying feels > reals is not the main background of most of ideologies

modern day fascists are myth builders who can't fit in with society because they're socially inept / too stupid to land a decent job.

All reals need some feels, because otherwise it wouldn't be reals, for realizies.

He could have maintained the Stresa Front (Anglo-Franco-Italian alliance), which was based on German rearmament and maintaining Austrian independence

but Mussolini had to go invade Ethiopia (for what? glory and avenging a 40-year old failed conquest?) and alienate those allies

juicy

>So here's my question: how can people still be Fascist in 2017
i'd prefer facism making a comeback to the current trend of neo-libralism

>how can people still be Fascist in 2017?

The desire to be edgy is strong in some people.

Indeed

i have no idea what does juicy mean, pls explain

this

not an arguement

Fascism is, at its core, about bringing us as close as possible to the ideal state-nation relationship, where the state is the expression of the collective consciousness of the people and each person is simply a piece of the greater whole of his people. In practice it is to control every aspect of the nation in an effort to bring about maximum efficiency and happiness, I think Mussolini did pretty well for a while, but I'm not very well read on the subject.
Here's Mussolini's explanation:
worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

Sounds like communism but with a state.