Steppe horse warriors have always been a problem for civilized societies when the smaller tribes would get pushed out of the steppe and invade settled lands.
But has the reverse ever been true?
Are there any historical examples of settled societies sending an invasion force into the steppe lands?
If not, what would that look like? What would a 2nd century Roman invasion of the Steppe look like?
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The Russian drive to the East was pretty much exactly what you're looking for
China fucked up the nomads pretty badly, the cascade knocked them into europe
Except that one time when nomads conquered half of China. Or that other time when they conquered all of it.
they all did, it was common to root out horsefuckers near your borders. The persians and romans did it. Theyre only a huge threat when an attila-like figure unites a bunch of them, your usual dealings with them is on a smaller scale and theyre often met in battle and driven off. The romans actually genocided a certain tribe, I cant remember the name. Often youd see these tribes fighting alongside the settled societies as expert mercenaries, a man with those talents can demand a lot of money for his services since you cant replicate a horsefucker without living a horsefucker life.
This and China's occupation of Sinkiang to secure the silk road against raids.
Rome's invasion of Nubia and Persia's conquest of northern areas like Turkmenistan might also interest you.
Yeah but I'm not talking about those times
>Are there any historical examples of settled societies sending an invasion force into the steppe lands?
Look up the Han-Xiongnu War. Han China fielded hundreds of thousands of soldiers and cavalry and spent decades systematically invading and exterminating the Xiongnu, becoming just as good or better at mounted warfare as the Xiongnu themselves. The steppe nomads were effectively destroyed as a threat to China for generations.
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sedentary civilizations would often enslave nomadic tribes, that is the whole story of the hebrews in egypt in the old testament
the hebrews were sheepfuckers not horsefuckers, but same principle
Does that mean we Kiwis are the new jews?
that time when Austria invaded the Golden Horde and settled its lands all the way to China
Russians was on genocidal path when they expanded towards the east.
>Are there any historical examples of settled societies sending an invasion force into the steppe lands?
Yes, Yermak Timofejewitsch did this for the Russian tsar
Do you see horsemen on the picture?
Yermak moved east (taiga).
Nomads were on south (steppe).
They sent cossacks who were steppe people themselves
are you blind? There are horses in the river and on the ridge behind them
According to the Egyptians it was a bunch of Jewish mercenaries who didn't want to pay taxes so they left
These are great suggestions, pretty much exactly what I'm looking for
Thanks guys
God damn, that painting is awesome. Anyone got more like it?
Herodotus writes about the persian attempt to conquer the scythians. It wasn't particularly effective.
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Achaemenids, Arsacids, and Sassanid dynasties of the Iranian empires did often send in punitive expeditions into Central Asia to cull steppe nomadic tribals from raiding their territories, protect merchants, and watch over the safety of travelers across the Silk Road. In fact the Chinese and Iranians had a mutual defensive pact against the Turkic peoples and Hunnic tribes.
>it wasn't particularly effective
Except it was. Several of the Scythian tribes were conflated into a sub-satrapy and part of the territories Darius lists in his inscriptions of lands annexed by the Achaemenids. And even your link says Darius expedition was largely successful.
>Despite the evading tactics of the Scythians, Darius' campaign was so far relatively successful.
>As presented by Herodotus, the tactics of the Scythians resulted in the loss of their best lands and damage to their loyal allies.
>The fact is thus that Darius held the initiative. As he moved eastwards in the cultivated lands of the Scythians, he remained resupplied by his fleet and lived to an extent off of the land.
>While moving eastwards in the European Scythian lands, he captured the large fortified city of the Budini, one of the allies of the Scythians, and burnt it.
>Darius ordered a halt at the banks of Oarus, where he built "eight great forts, some eight miles distant from each other", no doubt as a frontier defence.
>In his Histories, Herodotus states that the ruins of the forts were still standing in his day. Concerned about losing more of his troops, Darius halted the march at the banks of the Volga River and headed towards Thrace.
>He had failed to bring the Scythians to a direct battle, and until he did so he did not have much reason to secure the conquered territories. The initiative still lay with him.
>As the tactics of evading Darius' army and scorched earth were continued by the Scythians, they had failed however completely, though Darius had failed too as still he wasn't able to bring it to a direct confrontation. He had conquered enough Scythian territory to force the Scythians to respect the Persian forces.
The Qingz n shiet literally wiped out an entire Steppenig people.
fuck qings. they rurned their backs on their ancestral ways for chinese society. fuck em.
>their ancestral ways for chinese society.
Herding Yaks and living in shite tents suck, desu.
t. Abaha- sorry, I mean, Hong Taiji.
i'd rather live wild and free like a fucking beast of the steppe
than be a domesticated puppet emperor to some dowager
Short memory
The thing is that nomads were the underdogs and the ones getting more bullied. They just benefited from times and places where sedentary power was weak.
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>Pic related.
What was the outcome?
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