Generalplan Ost

Was it autism or psychopathy?

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It was what Germany wanted for the region in WW1. The second time around they were just more forward about it.

A G*rm has no brain, no soul, and no culture.

It mostly came forth as a mix between Germany's desperate need for resources to achieve self-sufficiency and the ideological belief that the Slavs and other eastern-europeans are inferior.

The land itself is rich in wheat, coal, iron, and further into the Caucasus you have the big ticket item, oil. Ideology shaped the argument that any resources spent on inferior beings is better put to use for ethnic Germans and the empowerment of the German state, so those living on the land they conquered had to be eliminated in order to make room for colonization and resource extraction.

Of course this idealized thinking couldn't be carried out fully in a realistic setting, as any military thinker would tell you throughout history, it's a terrible idea to subject conquered/occupied civilians to mass murder and extermination, advice against this is written as early as Sun Tzu's Art of War and Machiavelli's The Price.

Didn't mean the Germans didn't try though, with the Baltic States and Belarus/Ukraine having their civilian populations culled by as many as 20-30% over the course of occupation, but this wholesale killing of civilians just stoked fire for resistance movements, being a thorn in Germany's side the entire time by blowing up railways and ammunition depots as the Red Army beat them back.

>Baltic States having their civilian populations culled by as many as 20-30% over the course of occupation

????? Germany helped Baltic fight against the eternal mongol from the east that had occupied their countries beforehand.

>be Germany
>invade Barbarossa
>Balts assume that you'll recognize their independence and free them
>they help drive out commies from their home state for you
>good work, however we need some Scheiß from you
>Just call it "Reichkommisariat Ostland"
>Ask Balts to form an SS battalion
>Lithuanains don't wanna fight for Jerries in the east so boycott the recruitment
>Germans chimpout and send the intelligentsia to stutthoff concentration camp, close down universities
>Balts now hate you as well
Good going, Hans.

>invade Russia*
Don't know how I fucked up that hard

>Latgalians
Who are these people?

Balts, like Lithuanians, Latvians, Prussians etc.

it was autism, they wanted all that for german settlers, stalins policy of nothing left behind for germans played into their hands as the population could not feed themselfs

just imagine, the size of germany, left without food, unimagineable situation, and this contains the most fertile land in europe, that is ukraine

WE ALREADY HAD THIS THREAD YOU CANCEROUS FUCKING RETARD I FUCKING DESPISE WHAT THIS BOARD HAS BECOME

We had this same thread not two days ago. Go bait somewhere else.

It was fake.

>Kills 30% of you population
>Actually starts to settle 1M of Germans there
>it was just a prank bro

>Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[6][7] Thus, no complete set of originals have ever been found after the war, among the documents stored in German archives.

Its fake. Fabricated in the after war effort to further destroy germany.
None of these documents ever made it out of germany into enemy hands, all destroyed or displaced.
Much like the artifact collection the Ahnenerbe divison collected, numeruous amoutns of pagan and christian relics destroyed or hidden somewhere in the swiss alps.

You people interested in Nazi relics and relics of grand importance for humanity? its probably somewhere close to the gotthardt tunnel in a giant bunker system run by the swiss.

>shit that never happened

Generalplan Ost was made up as anti-nazi propaganda material

if germany hypothetically won ww2 and started this, how would they settle lands of poland, ukraine, russia etc? They would need to have some really good family program that encouraged them to breed and have 5-10 kids or something

Hmmm

ITT: people on a history board who are surprised that historical documents have been destroyed.

Brainlets, every one of you.

It was literally the dumbest thing the Germans did, the eastern europeans all hated the russians, instead of using this hate to win them as real allies and beat the Russians with their support, they made themselves the even bigger evil than Russia and the support of the population swang towards the Soviet Union.

After Germany won the western front so quickly and decisevely they were just too greedy and too haughty. They could have definetely won the whole war otherwise.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrbauer

Any proofs? Plan Ost was "detected" after war as micro-movie and meme started to be forced. There werent official German documents. Version of total removing of all copies is dumb.

Hitler only followed his role model

How about Hitler telling everyone countless times that the Nazi ideology is about "fight for survival between races" and that the whole point is to exterminate inferior races to make place for the superior ones? It even says so in Mein Kampf.

its enough to read the general guidelines and directive of the fürher or OKH regarding the occupied territories

luckily they also cite generalplan ost
but its useless to argue with underage brainlet, i suggest you dont try either

it was the non serious musings of one general that were never planned as official policy or even seen by Hitler probably, but was seized upon after the war to push the "nazis were ebil" meme.

Hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian volunteers fought alongside Hitler, and Hitler planned to create an independent Russian state in the region afterwards.

More liek
>be gauleiter
>autistic mongoloid chink Himmler asks you to carry out ethnic cleansing policy
>just ask local population to officially register as German and culturally become German and claim they have German ancestry
>himmler autistically bitches
>tell him to fuck off
>himmler goes and whines to hitler about you
>hitler tells him to fuck off
>himmler comes back and does some more whining

Himmler and Rosenberg were retarded weirdos that had no effectual actions on policy besides their "theories". All the administration was done by gauleiters. Gauleiters were way more interested in trying to administer a huge area of millions of slavs with only a few thousand german civil cervant. They weren't interested in Himmler's racialist daydreaming.

but Hitler hated all Americans but Henry Ford

it's just /pol/turds

All radicals say bright phrases. What about real state politics expressed in documents?

I don't think you goys appreciate how genuinely autistic Germans are when it comes to keeping records. They kept multiple written records on everything down to the smallest detail, it's why military historians have such clear knowledge of various battles in the east; not because of soviet records, but because of the shitloads of highly detailed german records on literally everything.

The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling, especially when there's plenty of documentation that indicates that the Hitler had requested his generals to come up with a provisional plan for creating independent puppet states in the region.

If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race. Its mostly french people that he hates, but he admires Russians and says they're a mighty race that has been degraded by the jew.

>The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling
Yup, it goes to show that even they realized how fucking edgy it is to plan the extermination of so many innocent civilians. Didn't they also destroy Holocaust-related documents?

>extremely autistic and efficient
>weren't able to destroy all copies of a small number of top secret plans

>fight for survival between races
yes and Hitler wanted to ensure the survival of the Indo European race (also known as Aryan race) of which slavic people (Poles, Russians,...) are also part. the narrative that nazis wanted to exterminate slavs is therefore a very weird one to make since this is in full contrast with the nazi racial theories.

>The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling
Well, we still have records of shitloads of people being wiped out and German documents (From Goering IIRC) for so called hunger plan, which was supposed to kill 10 or 20 million people.

>plenty of documentation that indicates that the Hitler had requested his generals to come up with a provisional plan for creating independent puppet states in the region
Then show the documentation, since reality goes against your claim.

>If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race.
Russian race, as Russian race or "Iranian German elite ruling mongoloid Slavs"?

>You people interested in Nazi relics and relics of grand importance for humanity? its probably somewhere close to the gotthardt tunnel in a giant bunker system run by the swiss.
Those damn mountain jews at it again.

He literally saw manifest destiny as a blueprint and as justification for generalplan ost

Why did they kill 3 million Poles? Why did they kill more than 10 million Soviet civilians? Why did they settle more than million Germans in Poland?

Germans seen Slavs as mixed with Jews and Mongoloids.

>"Iranian German elite ruling mongoloid Slavs"?
This was the next level of wewuzery.

>you have sin 1.
>yes, you destroyed all evidences, such as with sin 2.
>try to prove you havent sin 1.

>small number
Why so? Such plan should been looked as:
1. Poland.
1.1 Province 1.
1.1.1 City 1. Kill 46000 Poles, all Jews, 350 Ukrainians.
1.1.2 Village 1. Kill 700 Poles, all Jews, 10 Czechs.

So plan (or at least related point) should been located in every fucking district.

I'll try to explain their reasoning to you

>Why did they kill 3 million Poles?
jews and marxists were killed by the nazis regardless of their nationality or race
German communists also weren't safe
Why did they kill more than 10 million Soviet civilians?
again marxists aren't shown mercy by the nazis, their goal was to crush and destroy bolsjevism in Russia and they were prepared to kill people to achieve that goal
Why did they settle more than million Germans in Poland?
nazi Germany considered a chunk of Poland to be rightfully German land
most of the high ranked nazis were romanticists when it came to German history and they all had a vision of a Greater Germania which always included the former Prussian lands lost under Versailles

not all slavs but some yes, the race theory went pretty deep into which areas of eastern europe could be considered "pure" and which not. not pure were for instance tartars in ukraine or polish jews

You polturds lie so much you don't even understand the half of shit you spout

I pity anyone who takes you seriously, your brains are completely fried by lies and propaganda

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>3 milion Poles
>marxists
Dude, you have no clue what you are talking about. Germans were literally catching random Poles from the streats of Warsaw in so called "łapanka" (round-ups) to deport them to concentration camps or slave work on german farms. You have idealized view of ww2 germany typical for /pol/fags.

The Nazis didn't categorise races after linguistic criteria. Slavs were not Aryans.

So what other politicians talk openly about exterminating inferior races?

No he didn't, he calls them unable to form a state by themselves which is why all russian state leaders were either Germans or Jews, and because of this inferiority Germans have a right to settle on their land.

Slavs were actually seen as "the worst Aryans", whose only purpose would be to work as slaves.

He saw some slavic people as aryan in origin who got assimilated by slavs, but he did not see Slavs as Aryans.

>try to explain the viewpoint of the Germans to make something more clear
>hurr durr stop you evil nazi, we are only allowed to explain things within the limits/viewpoints of our modern day western reasoning
I'm trying to help you comprehend how they think and all I get in return is some passive agressive answer telling me to stop viewing things in other perspectives

there were a lot of jews and communists in Poland my friend. now ofc some of the death will also be non-communists especially when some hero wants to stop the SS from rounding up jews or communists. I am aware that not all of those 3 million fit the criteria I wrote down

pure blooded slavs were considered Aryan

the liguistic term is used for languages that have a lot in common and possible share a common ancestor-language
the racial part of the theory implies that these languages evolved out of the same group of people (the Aryans) spreading out across the world and thereby adapting the languages while still maintaining a common core of linguistic rules.

You are spouting literal lies. Why should i treat you seriously? There's no reasoning with you braindead idiots.

>I am aware that not all of those 3 million fit the criteria I wrote down
protip: Virtually none of them did.

They were only called "Aryan" in the context of Jews, were every people was "Aryan" that was surpressed by Jews. In 1942 the Nazis clearly defined that French, English, Baltics, Scandinavians, Romanians, Albanians, some Poles, Bulgarians, and some other allied peoples had the same origin as german and got classified as "artverwandt" (e.g. race-related) and were able to serve in the Wehrmacht and the SS. Russians and other slavs were explicitly named as not race-related.

>If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race.
He literally calls them an inferior race and that the Russian state was built upon Germanic elements, have you even read Mein Kampf?

>Denn die Organisation eines russischen Staatsgebildes war nicht das Ergebnis der staatspolitischen Fähigkeiten des Slawentums in Rußland, sondern vielmehr nur ein wundervolles Beispiel für die staatenbildende Wirksamkeit des germanischen Elementes in einer minderwertigen Rasse. So sind zahlreiche mächtige Reiche der Erde geschaffen worden. Niedere Völker mit germanischen Organisatoren und Herren als Leiter derselben sind öfter als einmal zu gewaltigen Staatengebilden angeschwollen und blieben bestehen, solange der rassische Kern der bildenden Staatsrasse sich erhielt.
p.742

And here he's mentioning about the past threat of Pan-Slavist Russia
>>Ich vergesse nicht die dauernde freche Bedrohung, die das damalige panslawistische Rußland Deutschland zu bieten wagte;
p.753

what are my lies? I'm just trying summarise the NatSoc ideology and literature to help people understand some of the shit the nazis did in WW2. how else can you undestand some events if you don't know how they rationalised?

I'm pretty sure a pretty big chunk of those 3 million were jews and marxists mate
I mean the Holocaust was almost 1 million Polish jews if I'm not mistaken? and less than million marxists (communists, socialists, union leaders) in a country with a population of 30 million is also a fair (even low) estimate no?
I don't know wheter resistance fighters are counted in those 3 million but if they are, they would probably be the third largest chunk of that pie.

>I'm pretty sure a pretty big chunk of those 3 million were jews and marxists mate
I'm pretty sure, you are ignorant on the subject, but that is expected from a neonazi. Three millions goes exclusively for ethnic Poles, on top of that Hitler murdered 3 million Polish Jews. Marxists were almost non-existent in Poland, even the socialist party had only 5% in elections.

sh-shut up kike shill cuck!

>In March 1941 Hans Frank informed his subordinates that Hitler had made the decision to "turn this region into a purely German area within 15–20 years". He explained: "Where 12 million Poles now live, is to be populated by 4 to 5 million Germans. The Generalgouvernement must become as German as the Rhineland."

>By 1942 Hitler and Frank had agreed that the Kraków ("with its purely German capital") and Lublin districts would be the first areas for German colonists to re-populate. Hitler stated: "When these two weak points have been strengthened, it should be possible to slowly drive back the Poles." Subsequently, German policy envisaged reducing lower-class Poles to the status of serfs, while deporting or otherwise eliminating the middle and upper classes and eventually replacing them with German colonists of the "master race".

Why are many lower-class Poles neo-nazis today? lol

The General Gouvernment is our work force reservoir for lowgrade work (brick plants, road building, etc.) ... Unconditionally, attention should be paid to the fact that there can be no "Polish masters"; where there are Polish masters, and I do not care how hard this sounds, they must be killed. (...) The Führer must emphasize once again that for Poles there is only one master and he is a German, there can be no two masters beside each other and there is no consent to such, hence all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be killed ... The General Gouvernment is a Polish reservation, a great Polish labor camp. — Note of Martin Bormann from the meeting of Dr. Hans Frank with Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 2 October 1940.

Like i said, there is no reasoning with your lot. Like all Neo-Nazis, you are trying hard to whitewash Nazi atrocities in order to make your little failed ideology more feasible to new, naive recruits to your movement. Funny though how you can't even do this right without sociopathically justifying obvious ethnic cleansing attempts by blaming it on ready-made scapegoats.

Only an idiot would take you seriously. Shouldn't be surprising that most of the Neo-Nazis are idiots.

I never got why eastern europeans are such neo-nazis when they were basically one step above jews in nazi dogma.

Butthurt against communism is stronger.

They aren't. Polish nationalism has anti-German fundaments.

my guess is that they are stupid people in general, are poorly educated, and hate jews. So since they are poor and stupid, they think jews are behind all of their suffering, then they start looking up anti jew stuff online which will obviously be tied to stormfaggotry pro hitler youtube videos, they watch that, and then put two and two together.

All the while, they probably know nothing about how Poland was raped to death by Hitler, they love him because he went after the jews.

Stop projecting. They hate Germans and aren't greatful that Htiler was killing jews. They even demand unpaid reparations for WW2.

>Germans purposefully starve the people of Eastern Europe, destroy their towns, villages, and cities
>Murder the Polish intelligentsia (Operation Tannenberg, Intelligenzaktion, Palmiry massacre, AB-Aktion)
>Subject Soviet POWs to starvation, forced labor, and brutality that results in over 3 million of them perishing
>Begin "Germanization" of Poland by suppressing and trying to erase any trace of their history and culture, which included plans to completely restructure Warsaw.
>Enslave millions of innocent Soviet citizens to prop up the German war machine.
>Use propaganda to portray Russians as being inferior subhumans
>"Ukraine children need no schools. What they'll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters." - Gauleiter Erich koch
>"We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here." - Gauleiter Erich koch
>Stormfags still claim the Nazis loved slavs and Generalplan Ost was a myth.

Im talking specifically about poles who are neonazis.

They are like 0,1% of them, and most of them come from Silesia - a region which was annected to a Third Reich and 95% of people (including Poles) declared German nationality. Therefore they were not opressed or deported, but forced to serve in Wehrmacht instead.

>We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here
>Ukraine children need no schools. What they'll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters
>If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot
Gauleiter Erich Koch

Nazism has evolved into just generic white nationalism. You could talk all day about the reasons why, but unfortunately I don't think there's ever been any academic work or investigation onto this. Even there was I'm sure it would be tampered with political bias and agenda.

>there were a lot of jews and communists in Poland my friend
>a lot of communists in poland
>in poland
>communists
Are you mentally ill?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish–Soviet_War
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanation

yeah, I noticed this to. My best guess is because of George Rockwell who simply appropriated nazism to america. And American racism is a lot different from Hitlers racism, since america is more about "white" in general than just specific european ethnicities vs another. Then this spread to other similar groups like National Front in France and their British counter parts ect. which was fuelled by those countries being filled with brown people from their former imperial territories in the post war years.

>this spread to other similar groups like National Front in France
???

Was he really that influential? I always thought he was just some larper that only Illinoisans really cared about since they had to deal with him.

Not every white racist is a Nazi, just like not every communist is a Stalinist.

A guy LARPing as Hitler ironically in the wake of WW2 was a pretty big deal. Thats just my idea though. Rockwell is the biggest and earlierst example I know of of neo-nazism as it evolved into this general idea of white nationalism. The American Nazi Party, which turned into the National Socialist Movement, is the largest neo-nazi group in america.

White racist ideologies existed way before Hitler. He wasn't even the first one to make it a state ideology, that would be Mussolini.

Ok, and?

>I know of of neo-nazism as it evolved into this general idea of white nationalism

My dad grew up in Illinois at the time and talked about how he remembered it. He made it seem like it wasn't a huge important thing just some trouble makers. Maybe I interpreted him wrong idk.

>White racist ideologies existed way before Hitler.

of course they did, but then they all started loving hitler for some reason because they think he was the final push of their idea against a globalized world.

The Nazis had the biggest success

Most white racists I know actually hate him because he ruined the concept forever.

Also, I think liberals are too blame for this as well in a way. Their handling of education is this appeals to emotion cartoon character of hitler. Hitler was evil because he was racist. That seems to be the most important point schools try to drive into the heads of students instead of even attempting to educate them on the grander scheme of the war. This is why the typical stormfag is so fucking clueless on WW2 history.

And then, when they are getting beat up by the black kids for the 5th time that school year, they start to think "god, black people are assholes" then they put two and two together, realize Hitler was racist and only cared about white people, just like they were taught, and come to view Hitler as a hero that would have saved them from their hell.

That guy was absolute nigger, when trains were evacuating population from East Prussia, he ordered civilians to get out and filled the trains with furniture from house of his family

for all their talk of warrior spirit and esoteric appeal to violence and all that other shit, its hilarious how much the nazi command were sniveling and cowardly gluttonous bureaucrats. What a complete farce

>Mussolini
What? Mussolini wasn't racist. Maybe partially, but nowhere near as much as Hitler.

And how did they piss off Hitler?

When dealing with such a race as Slavic — inferior and barbarian — we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy ... We should not be afraid of new victims ... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps ... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians ...

—Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920

It's true though that it wasn't as biological as Nazi-racism, and was more about white nations being superior because of their culture and history, and they also strongly argued to assimilate as many people as possible into "whiteness". So in that sense Mussolini was probably much closer to modern white supermacist than Hitler.

>power hungry assholes are huge hypocrites
Who would've thought

Tbh i think that he meant Croats/Slovenes by that, Mussolini highly admired Czechs

Once they were done with Poles, Russians and Yugoslavs. Czechs would be next.

*Hussite movement, he didn't gave two fucks about Czechs as a nation.

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Its ideology.

Nationalism.

I generally prefer company of Germans to poles but that's just me.

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