Do you guys have any examples of Nubians or some other black people serving in the Roman army?

Do you guys have any examples of Nubians or some other black people serving in the Roman army?

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The Romans WUZ nubians!

Yeah, there's a pretty famous one you might have heard of... his name was Julius Caesar

*steals history*

Kek

Huzzah for /pol/ brigading the board and huzzah for the mods not doing their jobs

Litteraly none

Saint Maurice and the Theban legion are usually counted as black, although lighter swarthy depictions did exist.

On a similar note, while not a soldier, Saint Moses the Black is another example of a black African in Roman territory.

I do not think so many Argentines have fought in the Roman legions

I was just about to post this.

As an aside, I think it is a shame revisionism of this sort is much more strongly reacted against than previous egregious instances such as Britons portraying capital-Romans.

>black Romas
Charlemagne tha god, kang of kangz, Holy Emperor of Rome.

Saint Maurice and the Legion was from Thebes, an Egyptian city, so it is more likely they were actually Egyptians, if they ever existed at all.

Saint Moses' origin is apparently Ethiopia, so he is black, but he was no Roman soldier.

Well it would help if you could define how black people have to be to count here.
The romans drew auxilia from all across north africa and the middle east, which of course included egypt. This would presumably include people of nubian descent in the area, if they existed. They never conquered nubia itself, however.
While there's no reason to assume that nubians (or people of nubian descent and appearance) weren't present in the areas controlled by the romans, there's also no particularly compelling evidence that they /were/ present- the romans didn't put a great stock on race, at least not compared to citizenship, and precise census data is largely unavailable at this time. There was certainly a time when the borders between egypt and nubia were completely open- particularly before the romans arrived, when trade was common with meroe- but whether or not people crossed that border much (and how much they settled on the far sides when they did) is another issue.
Long story short, maybe. No reason to come down conclusively on either side. They wouldn't have served in any major numbers, but if you want to have some black auxilia or legionaries (auxilia's children were often given citizen status, I believe, and therefore would be eligible to become legionaries) it wouldn't be impossible or completely inaccurate.

>Saint Maurice (also Moritz, Morris, or Mauritius) was according to tradition the leader of the legendary Roman Theban Legion
>according to tradition
>legendary
:thinking:

Fucking 13th century SJW Marxist cucks trying to destroy Europe's culture.

I remember seeing the graves of Germanic imperial bodyguards in Rome, and Jewish merchants, etc. There are many physical evidences that can be found for the existence of Nubian blacks and others in Rome. If it was so likely that Nubians served in the Roman army, there should at least be one gravestone.

>huzzah
>brigading
reddit begone

You doubt the Kingdom of God?

I call it like I see it chief, between the threads here, on /pol/, and on /tv/ it's pretty fuckin obvious

Don't know why you'd think any board would be bereft of shitposting, it's certainly not an organized "raid" though, so fuck off back to rebbit.

Stay triggered fuckstick. /pol/ has a wheelhouse of boards they raid, or is it just some crazy coincidence that something that came out a few hours ago is posted on those boards simultaneously.

The noble and peaceful folk of /pol/ were forced to invade this board to save it from the /r/communist crowd.

>(auxilia's children were often given citizen status, I believe, and therefore would be eligible to become legionaries)
True-ish but these people almost invariably chose to serve in the same unit as their fathers due to the known environment and effort taken to maintain the unit's ethnic identity rather than try their luck in the legions proper (source P.Holder, Auxiliary Deployment in the Reign of Hadrian).
Also the auxiliaries already were mostly taken from the european provinces, with the east offering mostly specialty units like archers and heavy cavalry (and probably numidians, but there's basically no mentions of them in imperial sources), so really we're talking about the small percentage of a small percentage of a small percentage here.
Considering we're talking of whether they were likely enough to warrant a whopping two of them existing in the same unit at the same time being realistic and not an obvious cross of publicity stunt and virtue signalling, the answer is a given.

yes

That's what's known as an event occurring.

What does Roman tradition have to do with Kingdom of God?

>answering questions not directed at you

I don't play by the rules

>Considering we're talking of whether they were likely enough to warrant a whopping two of them existing in the same unit at the same time being realistic and not an obvious cross of publicity stunt and virtue signalling, the answer is a given.
I agree with everything else you said, but I would point out that since they'd be moved as a unit you'd either have no south egyptian auxilia in an area at all, or several dozen of them. The most "accurate" way to have a black person in the roman military would be probably portray around 25% black people in a larger unit of stereotypically egyptian looking folks, or as an entire unit of black nubian auxilia and just say that their town is particularly interbred with people from south of the border.
Having them in britain is also somewhat reasonable, since the romans liked to keep auxilia far, far away from their homeland since they were less likely to go rogue and join the locals that way. Not sure if they'd send some egyptians to the exact opposite end of the empire, but the principle makes sense at least. They'd have a lot of difficulty finding any kind of common ground with the celts and picts since they looked strange and followed a religion that had absolutely no similarities.

there certainly were auxilla of any shit conquered people

Hagiography or the historicity of the lives of saints is professed foremost by the church, and claims to tradition at least in the context of saints
is based mainly on the Church histories.

There are plenty instances for imperial Numidian auxiliaries. Lets just wiki it

> The decisive Roman victory at Zama in 202 BC, which ended the war, owed much to the Numidian cavalry provided by king Massinissa, which outnumbered the Roman/Latin cavalry fielded by 2 to 1.[7] From then, Roman armies were always accompanied by large numbers of non-Italian cavalry: Numidian light cavalry and, later, Gallic heavy cavalry.

>Numidia (modern day Eastern Algeria) was home to the Numidians/Moors, the ancestors of today's Berber people. Their light cavalry (equites Maurorum) was highly prized and had alternately fought and assisted the Romans for well over two centuries: they now started to be recruited into the regular Auxilia. Even more Mauri units were formed after the annexation of Mauretania (NW Algeria, Morocco), the rest of the Berber homeland, in 44 AD by emperor Claudius (ruled 41–54).

>In the Republican period, the standard trio of specialised auxilia were Balearic slingers, Cretan archers and Numidian light cavalry. These functions, plus some new ones, continued in the 2nd-century auxilia.

However they were Berbers, and not blacks.

>I think it is a shame revisionism of this sort is much more strongly reacted against than previous egregious instances such as Britons portraying capital-Romans.

Oh fuck off.
One is the product of a society using it's native actors to depict historical events in as practical a manner as possible, the other is agenda driven revisionism.

I'm honestly shocked at the current state of this website. Yeah, we made racist jokes sometimes, but it was all fun, right? At the end of the day, we all voted for Obama, we all supported gay marriage, and we all opposed racist conservative christians. But now? Our entire fucking site is subverted because of fucking nazis.

The internet is OUR platform. the LIBERAL platform. Racism, sexism, misogyny, were all confirmed to be left in the past because millenials are the most left-wing generation of all time. So why in the FUCK, do we still have to deal with nazis IN TWENTY-FUCKING-SEVENTEEN? Despite how much you wanna cry about how it's just a conspiracy and a boogeyman, Russian hackers ARE real, and this site is proof. We went from one of the most liberal sites in the world to supporting Orange Fucking Hitler? Nah, that's not normal progression because people only get more liberal with age, just like how you get smarter with age.

Threads like these just show that we need MUCH more strict moderation around here. I'm sick of all of this shit. Fuck Nazis, Fuck Fascists, Fuck Hitler, Fuck Trumpf, Fuck White Pride, and FUCK REPUBLICANS.

forget the army, there was emperor with title of "niger" so he must have been black

...

in the free market of ideas, right wing wins

>In a free market system, the ideology that allows the free market wins
Wowzer

>since they'd be moved as a unit
These two lads aren't auxiliaries user, they're full blown legionaries. What are the chances that both ended up in the same legion? The characters better be like brothers or childhood friends, because it only makes sense if they both grew up in the same unit and chose to enlist at the same time in the same legion. Even then it's stupid because the legions while technically accessible to all citizens were still overwhelmingly italic in composition.

This copypasta from /pol/ again or are the leftist actually raiding Veeky Forums?

>This copypasta from /pol/ again
What do you think? At the very least pre-elections.
Veeky Forums was never really liberal, even when the site was still in the 420&atheism phase. The "we all voted Obama" part is particularly hilarious because this place was Romney central. Don't actually remember about 2008 tho.

>The most "accurate" way to have a black person in the roman military would be probably portray around 25% black people in a larger unit of stereotypically egyptian looking folks
More like that, yes.

>Not sure if they'd send some egyptians to the exact opposite end of the empire
This has a cost, takes a lot of time and is a logistic bother for nothing (Britain being isolated enough that even a Gaul or German would have been a total foreigner), but hey why not.

Is this a troll? Veeky Forums's default setting has always been a kind of cynical apathy, not any kind of ideology.

I never got the blowback against a handpicked black actor, when the guys bent on black washing white history are guilt tripping whites. Either blacks are mocked, if anyone black or white put up the money for a show based on actual African history, it'll still get a "WE."

>if anyone black or white put up the money for a show based on actual African history, it'll still get a "WE."
not true unless it is yakub tier like black panther

>I never got the blowback against a handpicked black actor
Do you just expect there to be no reaction? If you realize there's people out to blackwash history you must also realize there's people out to avoid it.

I don't see how Black Panther is Yakub tier, it's flat out fantasy, just like the other Marvel movies. Wakanda is pretty much Asgard in a sense.If anything Wakanda reinforces the point that blacks can't do anything on their own unless they get outside help, and a chunk of space rock landing in your backyard is quite the help.
You miss my point. The hate is always directed at blacks who for all the shouting about representation have zero say in who gets cast. It's guilt tripping whites that are at fault, but everyone speaks as if there's a cabal of negroes at play. If anyone actually cared beyond base shit flinging, they'd watch the credits, find the person responsible for cast selection, and call them out.

>they're full blown legionaries
Are you sure?

There were two legions raised in the south of Egypt where people start to get a little darker but they never went to Britain and they weren't founded until the 3rd century

blank panther is yakub tier because black twitter is memeing how africa would be wakanda if whitey hadnt come and spoilt errythang

>everyone speaks as if there's a cabal of negroes at play
Are you in bad faith? You can't possibly believe this.

>It's guilt tripping whites
(((whites)))
>everyone speaks as if there's a cabal of negroes at play
no the (((cabal))) just likes putting negroes in the spotlight to spite whitey

>most devlopped parts of africa are those who have been under arab or euro influence
Really makes you think

They would've done the same if there was a new production about Chaka Zulu coming out,even if it meant blindly celebrating the ingenuity of spears and mud huts. I doubt any of those people on black twitter have ever cracked open a book on African history, and most likely garnered their "facts," from the critically acclaimed documentary series, "Hidden Colors."

Here's the thing, I'm sure there's some africans who did memorable historical things in africa. But we don't know about it because they never wrote it down or kept it in oral tradition.

>But we don't know about it
We know plenty about it. Some areas like central Africa, the Swahili Coast, Ethiopia, Somalia and Mali have history that is pretty well-documented by non-western standards. Most modern scholarship on it is in Arabic and French so it kind of gets ignored in anglophone media, who content themselves by shoving Africans into historical settings where they don't belong.

There are a few references to "Ethiopian" soldiers, but they were rare enough that they bothered to point out their origins. Mind you, "Ethiopia" was a much more generic term for Sub-saharan Africa back then.

stop falling for bait

test

t b h, that guy doesn't look too different from many Italians and other Meds

>There are a few references to "Ethiopian" soldiers
Where though?

read a book.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_Ancient_Roman_history

>no source

>"Black people in Ancient Roman history"
>"Rome had provinces in North Africa along the Mediterranean coast"
>implying north africans are or were ever black

Wait i reconize this front, are every pic you post from the same trash revisionist site? Can you like it, i need a laugh

>google "roman general mauritius (aka maurice moritz) commander of the theban legion"
>finds a bunch of we wuzzing site

>look on wikipedia
>Saint Maurice was a coptic orthodox egyptian

>search for picture
>every painting from him was made centuries after his death
Here we go

Maurice was an Egyptian, not black.
And the wiki article isn't very helpful for my question.

Regards OP.

you're basing this off of one girl sarcastically making one tweet that ended up with a bunch of reblogs

Its not the English directors fault that the good actors are being used for game of thrones that might be white while the rest of the country is browner than Italy at this point. I doubt there is a white french actor left across the pond.

I recognize that font and yellowish background

WE

WUZ

K A N G Z

'N

*smacks lips*

SHHHeeeeEEEEEEEiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIItttttTTTTTTTTT

Go back to r/askhistorians if the question upsets you

I don't understand these ones. These are supposed to be Africans?

the albino man be editin pikchas n sheit nigga get woke

Both instances are literally the same.

t. /r/kekistan

>Roman history
>White history
WE

I understand the concept, but in the first picture it says some parts are "too white", while the whole scene shows people obviously white, and in the second picture the guy is supposed to be albinos while he clearly isn't... wtf?

the loon/rusemaster is saying someone heightened the contrast of the lady's face rather than it being make-up

The Romans were black.

>Something which emerges organically is the same as something which is imposed ideologically

lol
You anti-whites are ridiculous.

REVISIONISM

Complete ignorance in ITT