Overrated states

t. p-zombies

t. socialist retard

No, if anything it's under-rated. OP and the other helots should be executed for suggesting otherwise.

This.

im gonna say it
eastern roman empire aka byzantines
i dont think that there ever was a single entity with more treacherous nobility/monarchs etc and retarded ideas like iconoclasm
they inherited empire and lands with amazing potential but it only went down from there at least since justinian
their only notable achievements are trebuchets and some impressive architecture but those things pale in comparison to what original rome has managed to achieve before them

I'm not a socialist. Try again, turdmuncher

>iconoclasm is a bad idea because it triggers me
Romaboos are fucking pathetic

show me one who bears images of his God and does not suffer

>free the Greek world from Athenian Imperialism
>"dude Spartans are overrated as fuck!"

>Sparta
>Milataristic
Top fucking kek

Post-Diocletian Rome
The reforms may have given it a second wind in the short term but was it worth the slow and agonizing demise inherent in its rigid bureaucratic despotism?

Does a lack of extravagance prevent gene stealer cults forming?

>Most Sparatans were not citizens
i never said they were. but those who were, were equal. it was unparalleled at the time and it ended the aristocracy and their power play.
yes they abused helots and from today's perspective it's horrible, but that's just how the world operated back then. Not saying Sparta was perfect or anything, but they were ground breaking at the time.

i have no idea what you are talking about

>Arg
Sparta never conquered Argos.

>Is this the most overrated civilization to ever exist?

Judaic "theocracy" is the most overrated civilization to ever exist.

"Muh idolatry!"

youtube.com/watch?v=a6wmDBz8H_Q

Massachusetts is a hive of scum and villainy.

Byzantine Empire

>turks posters were so bullied by "you aren't white" posting that they embraced their non white identity
lmao

They lacked extravagance because they had no access to extravagant goods. Spartans were notoriously corrupt decadent whenever they stepped out of Sparta and came into contact with money and lavish lifestyles.

Lmao they helped persians attack greece.

>implying that was the ottoman flag

Huh?
I never thought i was wh*Te. Majority of Turks don't think they're wh*Te. Only some cucks and balkanrapebabies think we're wh*Te

Why even post here? You are not contributing to the dialogue at all.

>tyranids
You mean tyrants. Tyranids are alien monsters that devour planets like locust.

I did see

Don't forget that Spartans got decimated by a bunch of literal homos

Most people simply don't understand the true nature of Sparta, which stopped existing at the time of the Rhetra's total subversion by figures like Lysander. Many ancient philosophers agreed on Sparta in one area, the sophistication and genius of the Rhetra and the balance of governmental powers, the same reason that the pre-expansion Roman republic was revered. The failing was in the incorrect preservation and observation of the rhetra.

Wrong, Argos got repeatedly btfo by Sparta and was ultimately conquered by Kleomenes III.

Wrong, you're thinking of the Thebans, the worst of all the Hellenes (now and then).

Wrong, they were were wearied by generations of war and internal strife, and subsequently suffered a few setbacks from ungrateful Theban boy lovers.

Never forget that Thebes was ultimayely burnt to the ground, and even today Boeotian is a byword for gibbering sub human retard

Googling Peloponnesian War isn`t that hard you know.

If American society was divided into helots, perioikoi, and the various gradations of Spartans, so many problems could be solved.

I rely on primary source materials, not modern anti spartan propaganda.

>turks
>not white

...

>militaristic culture
how come? they were the bringers of civilisation, having roads, cities, central heating, public baths, colosseum, a senate, an organised religion etc. etc.

if you compare it to sparta
> HURR DURR SMASH SLAVES
or Prussia
> BUY GUNS

you can see the difference
neck yourself, plebian

But Rome had more than militarism, Sparta and Prussia are literally only that.

The Spartans never aided the Persians in attacking the Greece mainland, they only ceded the Greek city states in Asia Minor to the Persians for the money they needed to win the Peloponnesian War. At that time they were more than eager to accept Persian satraps over Athenian domination, considering the fact that the Persians only destroyed your walls and razed your city to the ground after your polis started a rebellion against their Empire.
The Athenian Empire was far more inhumane than the Persians or Spartans ever were, because its people deprived free born Greeks of their rights simply because they were strong enough to. At least the Spartan domination of the Helots was justified in that they weren't actual "people" in their eyes.

At least the Nazi domination of the Slavs was justified in that they weren't actual "people" in their eyes.

Comparing complete genocide to enslavement doesn't really work, does it? The rest of the Ancient World keep slaves and gave their masters the power of life and death over them, there was nothing particular bizarre in what the Spartans were doing.

Prussia, Sparta and East """Roman""" (lol) Empire are the unholy trinity of autistic and overrated states.

I'd argue for "Germany" from Prussia to the 3rd Reich, Russia and Byzantine instead.

Russia isn't as overrated as Germany and larpy-roman empire IMHO.

Yes, but Russiaboos are overrepresented in sci-fi and other fiction because they're supposed to be this cool, mysterious race of genius savant warriors. It's grating.

Can I get some examples of such fiction?

Germans are also shilled in SF representing the elegant yet cold trope.

Pacific Rim, Warhammer both Fantasy and 40k, lots of Tom Clancy, people who write about how Solaris, Metro 2034 and Stalker are flawless works of art and that series about the "neo-Russian" rouge trader expy to name the first few that come to my mind.

I wish Sci-Fi authors didn't base characters off being "Russian" or "German." It's lazy.

Actually wasn't Sparta know for their government stability? At least compared to Athens.

Emphasis on revolutionary seeing as they were one of the first (if not the first) Greek city-states to undergo political reform and to form a constitution, providing inspiration for other states to do the same thing.

Brainlet.

Sure smells like Spartaboo is on the loose in this here thread itt

britbongs before 19th century

>persia
>inca
>japan
>charlememe's kingdom

OP said overrated, so not necessarily shit

>a few people in Sparta were equal so Sparta is le good!
Athens was awful, and Sparta was worse than Athens. Not 'ground-breaking'. Take your democrat bullshit elsewhere, only other turds buy it.

Wrong, sweetie.

>karloman
>overrated
He's clinically underrated and Franks are unironically very interesting.

>I'm not a socialist. Try again, turdmuncher
yes you, there are no meaningful differences under the anti-capitalist umbrella

this post from a random anonymous faggot on the worst website on the internet carries more weight than centuries of published history from professional historians

But there are meaningful differences. One is economic-totalitarian, while I am completely anti-economic (I don't believe in the idea of sustaining off of others at all) and am an anarchotheist.

israel

Tyranids.

I dunno, user. He actually gives out sources. Can you cite yours, plz

I smiled.

>larpy-roman empire
You mean the HRE? Yeah that's overrated.

Your ancestors were Anatolian Greek peasants who converted to Islam.
Also, that pic is fake.

My guy over here

Underrated post. This is the sort of reference I was waiting for.

Isn't that basically what the Romans did...?

Not really senpai. The thinkers came from Greece and Illyria. The only thing properly Roman society really encouraged was military might and popular power, which became kinda moot after Caesar but hey what the fuck ever.

The only time a proper Gene Stealer cult can form is when a truly decadent society allows it to exist, user.

We put bug cultists on fucking crosses in my legions, let me tell you that.