Forget the Nazis and everything the swastika has to do with them for a bit.
Where did this symbol originate? What is it supposed to mean? How old is it? I've been researching it a bit here and there, but haven't been able to extensively look. It spans across ancient civilizations that would sculpt, carve, and draw it into many different works of art and architecture. The earliest date I read was on Wikipedia at 15,000 years ago in Ukraine, but I want to see if anyone else has a better source. It just seems very interesting how this symbol is repeated in ancient civilizations reaching from Asia, the Middle East, Africa, Europe, and even the Americas.
Before anyone says aliens, STFU, this isn't /x/ and I want a serious discussion on it.
Indo-Europeans from a Satem split, associated with R1a.
Luis Torres
it looks fairly generic, i don't see why would they all share some common origin
Xavier Anderson
It's just the fucking sun. Everybody loves the sun.
Kevin Lopez
A Sanskrit scholar P. R. Sarkar in 1979 said that the deeper meaning of the word is ‘Permanent Victory’. He also said that as any symbol it can have positive and negative meaning depending on how it is drawn. So in Hinduism, the right-hand swastika is a symbol of the God Vishnu and the Sun, while the left-hand swastika is a symbol of Kali and Magic.
Seems about right.
Alexander Williams
>Satem split, associated with R1a. Elaborate please.
Michael Davis
Forgot this bit:
The word ‘swastika’ is a Sanskrit word (‘svasktika’) meaning ‘It is’, ‘Well Being’, ‘Good Existence, and ‘Good Luck’.
I'm not arguing for a common origin, but I just think it would be a major coincidence that this symbol would exist across civilization lines, especially as meaning one thing like the Sun. it is generic, but is it generic enough that many different people would have the same idea for the same symbol?
Now this is very interesting. I wonder what the "permanent victory" part meant, like in a military sense or in an eternal peace and prosperity sense?
Come on, I don't have time to read through all of this and even if I did, how certain would I be that I'm drawing the same conclusions as you are trying to sway me to without some kind of written elaboration from you?
Is that a bad thing?
Daniel Perez
>Is that a bad thing?
Not really, everyone enjoys a cunning linguist.
Chase Wright
It was a symbol that a bunch of Proto indo European (aryan) tribes put on their pottery and clothes. The PIE peoples migrated to different parts of the world from the caucus and stimulated societies by introducing the patriarchal family system and domestication of horses (I think the wheel too but I can't remember). They generally became the ruling class so the symbols stayed. I think it originally meant sun, but the meaning started to decay as the pie assimilated into the societies they entered
Samuel Smith
>everyone enjoys cunnilingus
Thomas Ward
>Proto indo European (aryan) idiot
Evan Hall
>"permanent victory"
I don't know.
I can tell you what Hitler thought it meant though.
Dominic Butler
nice
Isaac Brooks
>tfw my dad put an imprint of a lauburu (Basque swastika) in his driveway cement
I mean I have Basque pride too, but this is Ohio. Pretty surprised some antifa people haven't tried to mess with him.
William Lopez
>israel and ethiopia uses it the other way lel
Noah Wilson
What are some other symbols spread by this civilization? I'm very hesitant to accept anything with the word "Aryan" in it as having truth on this site, I'm sure you'd understand why.
Would anyone be able to tell me what an "Aryan" was supposed to be before Hitler and pals started using the term?
Asher Johnson
I doubt many, if any, of them are informed of the swastika's history along with the different forms it takes across civilization and be able to draw a conclusion from pic related.
Blake Jenkins
What was the meaning of the swastika in Germany before, you know...
Brayden Long
Lol, yeah, lets ask on Veeky Forums, Hitler surely didn't know shit
Ryder Harris
1. IT IS THE SYMBOL OF ARIANISM
2. THE NAZIS DID NOT "USE" THE SYMBOL. IDIOT
3. THE SYMBOL ORIGINATED IN UR, IT REPRESENTS THE SPIDER.
Gavin Walker
If you could point me to a better place that isn't Reddit, then please tell me. I frequent this board and have found that while /b/ and /pol/ leak into it, there are still good and knowledgeable conversations here. Idiots and trolls like are easy to spot and disregard.
Lincoln Myers
>I doubt many, if any, of them are informed of history
ftfy
Austin Flores
It's a fairly simply pattern. It's entirely possible for it to emerge independently across different cultures.
Jayden Edwards
False, it's just the sun """movement""" during the day
This symbol was present among Dravidians IVC and Cucuteni PRE IE
