Will China be a benign hegemon?

>what is the early modern chinese tribute system
china has been a benign superpower all its history

>All they do is manufacture retarded shit. They have no real economy.
wat

As a Korean, fuck no. Chinks are gonna fuck everyone in the ass like they fucked us in the ass. They're soulless cockroaches that only exist because of their extraordinary autism and conniving, self-serving policies.

You're the only ones fucking yourselves in the ass.

You fucked yourselves in the ass so bad, you're two different countries.

I agree with this Asian. Chinese people are truly the most uncivilized group of people on the planet. Let's hope they just keep to themselves and don't bother other people.

>says the fucking Korean
Nice hypocrisy Kim

>uncivilized group of people on the planet.
all peasants are uncivilized. it was so in 19th century europe, so it is in 21st century china, in a country that spent the second half of the 20th century idealizing peasant coarseness as part of its socialist program

Am I in Veeky Forums or /int/?

Not that user but he's basically right, China's growth over the past few decades has been pretty superficial IMO, the country's economic progress over the last few decades has just been western business interests taking advantage of a third-worldish environment to get a bunch of manufacturing done, which the CCP exasperates by keeping their own currency down. China's nothing but an economic surrogate at the moment, and one with rapidly stagnanting demographics and multiple economic bubbles boiling under the surface.

It's plausible that China could become a superpower sometime after mid-century but they would need to go through an extensive economic transition first.

>western business interests taking advantage of a third-worldish environment to get a bunch of manufacturing done,
In another country, it would be just as you say. but the Chinese were able to get huge technological and knowledge tranfers as a condition for western and japanese companies using chinese labor. As a result the chinese have knowledge and organizational skills and they run all the business themselves now.
>which the CCP exasperates by keeping their own currency dow
that's not really true aynmore
>one with rapidly stagnanting demographics
true
>multiple economic bubbles boiling under the surface.
bubbles that NOBODY can afford to let pop. China is now to integrated into the world economy that these bubles will bring everyone down equally. So the risk isn't just localized to china and chinese decline, but world economic decline.

Korea is a hundred times more autistic tho

I find it interesting that English language news will often refer to the Uighurs as just "China's Muslim minority" even though that category also includes the Hui, who aren't persecuted like the Uighurs are.

ANY DAY NOW

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No.
China wants dominance over East Asia, but outside of that they don't give a shite unless it fucks with their investments.
kind of like the isolationist Monroe doctrine era USA.

China will inherit the War on Terror in Central Asia, but their interest in military adventurism will not extend beyond their immediate surrounds.

China is the best asian country and mainland chinese are great people. As they become increasingly powerful, I hope other people will learn from them and imitate them in many ways.

Chinese are very civilized you mouth breathing retard

In some years they have.

This however is wrong. Its not always been benign. However tribute system is a good thing thing for the lesser countries. China gives more in return than it receives. Because it acknowledges that its a superior country and can give away more resources to help out the smaller neighbors.

They've also help out those tribute countries with military problems too. Like when korea was attacked by Japan, the Chinese military intervened and attacked Japan. Or when Tibet was attacked by Nepal/British, the Chinese intervened.

Back before the western idea of nations and states emerged, China was in a good place. Once the idea of nations/states came about, China's claim to all the tribute states as China was met with resistance. This resistence still holds true to this day and wont go away until China acknowledges this issue.

Chinese are barbaric swine.

>send all the unwanted people into other countries
>create sexual demand on sid immigrants
>slowly but surely breed out other nationalities/ethnicities

Wasn't the Ming economy (especially in the coastal cities) completely fucked over by the tribute system being used for maritime trade instead of allowing private trade?

Cry harder

-t chang

>0.002 yen has been deposited into your account. Be less obvious or else your pay will be withheld.

Get out of my fucking country and I wont have a problem. This is white man's land.

Shut up and go back to /tv/, Australia.

Most Chinese nowadays are peasants and nouveau riche peasants. It would have been interesting to see proper traditional Chinese higher class culture.

Go to Taiwan

Taiwan is the proper China in culture. PRC China is a disgrace to historical China.

Taiwan has a lot of Japanese influence from having been a colony of Japan for a long time before the ROC took over. When I was in Taichung the locals kept mixing random Japanese in with Mandarin and Taiyu. Hong Kong is a better example

>All they do is be the foundation on wich modern capitalism is built

But Hong Kong is influenced by the Brits, same for Singapore.

>In an attempt to WE WUZ as China, Taiwan become more Chinese than the Chinese themselves

And Japan has a good Tang china influence. So Taiwan has good proper China influence.

Kek.
But yuan is the chinese currency.

My, my. Hong Kong is British and Taiwan is Japanese. Will the Mainland ever stop winning?

But the Mainland is Soviet Union 2.0

Maybe the real China was in the Chinatowns all along.

America spread their influence by building bases,Chinese spread theirs by sending their dumbass tourist

This Real China™ shit is a meme. China has always been changing.

It really is. There are even Japanese nationalists who call Japan the true successors to Chinese culture.

WE WUZ TANGZ N SHIET

>Taiwan is the proper China in culture.
*Legalizes gay marriage.*
*thinks homosexuality as a gender exists to begin with as opposed to the traditional way Chinese have viewed homosexuality: a sexual preference or a very touchy-feely friendly relationship*

You mean Japanese nationalists can't deny the massive Chinese influence on their own culture but they don't want to associate themselves with China? I know they like to subscribe to the steppenigger displacement theory. They believe the modern Chinese have no connection to the ancient ones because they were all bred out and replaced by northern invaders. A variation of this can be found with some loony white supremacists who believe the original Chinese civilization was started by Indo-European Caucasoids who got replaced by Mongoloid invaders.

WILL THE REAL CHINA PLEASE STAND UP

Tang and PRC are different. China as a name is simply a designation of the country, not the rightful heir. Taiwan has more claim to China's rightful claim. PRC however is the defacto heir to China.

I love how dumbasses on /int/ and /pol/ honestly believe this.

Saying "Tang China is the real China, PRC is fake China"is about as unhelpful as saying "Louis XIV's Ancien Régime is the true France, the Fifth Republic is fake France".

>"Heir to China"

Daily reminder the Mandate of Heaven gets to tell who is proper China. By its rules, the PRC has mandate for being the penultimate ruler of the Chinese homeland. How long that would be is anyone's guess.

China isn't like Rome where a bunch of screeching successors states claim being Roman. Mandate is pretty clear cut.

Over half of their economy is now services, get with the times

No. China has multiple bubbles who will pop when reality sets in.

>Mandate of Heaven
>Steppe niggers become emperor while the Han one is still alive

Except the PRC destroyed the culture that recognizes the Mandate of Heaven

t. Gordon Chang

Actually it was the Nationalists. 1911 and "Muh modern times have no place for confucianism and superstition!" remember?

Also
>Implying Heaven gives a shit.
"Oh wow, you guys united the realm and ended the strife? Also it took you long enough but now you're bringing prosperity to the country? You guys have mandate."

Mandate is pure De Facto.

>Mandate of Heaven
>Ethnocentric.
If the Han cunt can't win then he has no Mandate. Duh.

>China isn't like Rome where a bunch of screeching successors states claim being Roman. Mandate is pretty clear cut.
reminder that the period between the Tang and the Song was such a clusterfuck that the Song had to assemble a crack team of scholars to figure out which of the various to define a reasonable line of "dynasties" via which the mandate could have arrived in their hands from the Tang

>they'll also carry out this policy in Russian siberia, where the Chinese are, in fact, in the process of overwhelming native russian populations with sheer numbers.
Do you have anything to back that up? Preferably something other than the Ukrainian propaganda piece that I just found.

>They believe the modern Chinese have no connection to the ancient ones because they were all bred out and replaced by northern invaders
That's not unique to the Japanese,the southernmost Han Chinese try to LARP as ancient northerners as well.

abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82969&page=1

Until they have to protect their commerce

100% this, yes

they'll police their sphere, ya, they'll control it lol but they don't give a FUCK about the outside world

MANY cultures, ethnic groups religions, and languages in todays China..step your game up mate

No, ask Africa

There has NEVER been a benign hegemon. The USA at least shared many customs and beliefs with Europe, its rule is the closest Europe has ever got to a benign hegemon, and just look how hated the US is in Europe. China will be approximately 43,662 times worse.

.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/07/03/where-do-borders-need-to-be-redrawn/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia?referer=https://www.google.com/&nytmobile=0
Not sure if this was th exact one, but i read an nyt article on it. Im not making thos up thats for sure. It makes sense too consideringg the reltivly low population vs the huge pop of china next door. One region is rich in reaources and short on labo the other excess of labor. This is also what happened in early 20th century russian empire. Very big korean population that settled organically in russian east which Stalin would deport to siberia lmao

Southerners are just Northern rape babies of indigeous peoples.

t. Southerner

[spoiler]We're still more civilized

t.chang totally not pajeet

technically the mandate exists in mentality

yall never realised why asian (east especially) is so one sum? why even in a "democracy" these parties are given much more power?

If they deliver most people here are willing to give them power.

t.chinese singaporean

>Southerners are just Northern rape babies of indigeous peoples.
Depends on how far you go,the southerners from Zhejiang/Hubei mark the genetic transition point and some are actually closer to northerners than populations further south.

If we extend the "southern" designation to reflect how it was used historically,than populations of northern Jiangsu and Anhui are more or less derived from northerners.

Meanwhile there's a big gap between the southernmost Pinghua,Leizhou/Hainan Min and Yue speakers who are mainly derived of native stock.
biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2017/07/13/162982.DC1/162982-1.pdf

>reminder that the period between the Tang and the Song was such a clusterfuck that the Song had to assemble a crack team of scholars to figure out which of the various to define a reasonable line of "dynasties" via which the mandate could have arrived in their hands from the Tang
That wasn't the same as inheritance.

That stemmed from the Chinese practice of enfeoffing ousted dynasties
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_of_Heaven#Enfeoffing_members_of_Overthrown_Dynasties

The logic behind all this is that ousted Imperial Dynasties, even if they lost favor, still held the Mandate of Heaven at some point. Ergo via Chinese culture of ancestor-veneration, the ancestors of these ousted dynasty ought to be honored. In addition to the rhetoric of continuity of the Empire's existence.

The New Dynasties do this by enfeoffing the members of the ousted dynasty to the rank of nobility, with a noble title, and building a temple dedicated to the imperial ancestors- most especially the Emperors the previous dynasty ever produced. By doing so they pretty much honor everyone who was ever Emperor, boding well for the wellbeing of the State.

The Song's problem was the fact that there was no Imperial Dynasty that held Mandate all over China during the Five Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms Period. Northern China was ruled by a succession of five dynasties, while the South was dotted by 10 Kingdoms. Since it was a chaotic period, the Song worried over who really was Imperial Dynasty (i.e. the possessor of the Mandate of Heaven) so they could honor the proper set of ancestors.

>they'll conquer central asia
no need, they're already pushing russia out without direct action

And as soon as they cease to deliver, they will be thrown to the dogs like every other Imperial dynasty that has ever risen and fallen in China.

No prosperity lasts.

t. Half his people want to nuke their own, the other half want to kill themselves

Taiwanese claim to be Japanese

Great bait

Wrong. The RoC did that and was very vocal about it.

Why do so many people ignore the RoC cultural revolutions?

No we fucking don't faggot, don't talk about shit you don't understand you piece of shit.

t. 中華民國

The northerners were actively Sinicizing southerners though, and no one thinks of the southern Chinese to be non-Chinese. That would be retarded.

Globalization means weaker states, the hegemons of the future will not be states.

Ming economy was fucked over by massive corruption

I'm not even sure if this is bait or just seriously retarded

Will 97% of the world be ethnic Han by 2100?

>The northerners were actively Sinicizing southerners though
Not necessarily,there was a geopolitical component where anyone south of the Huai wasn't considered proper Chinese despite speaking various Sinitic vernaculars.

The only proper "Chinese" were the Sinitic speakers of the Northern Chinese plains.
sino-platonic.org/complete/spp250_jiankang_empire.pdf

>and no one thinks of the southern Chinese to be non-Chinese. That would be retarded.
I'm only commenting how well Sinicization has worked out,the Han Chinese with the least Northern Chinese ancestry try to act like they are the purest.

If history played out differently even the Zhuang and Vietnamese would LARP as ancient Chinese.

Dunno, but if they're gonna force their language everywhere like anglos, at least I hope they get rid of africa tier tonality and adopt a real alphabet instead of the mess they have.

>extrapolating demographic trends forever with no accounting for fluctuations and plateaus

kys stormbabby

Tonality is hard for foreigners but makes sense. It upps the information content of the language and as a result chinese is the fastest language in the world to speak and understand.

Also youre wrong about the letters. A more advanced language with higher bitrate of information requires a higher bitrate script.

Chinese is also the fastest language to read on the planet, reading can take place about twice as fast.

Since no chikdren are going to invent rocket ships, what mattwrs is reading speed as an adult, not as a child.

>I hope they get rid of africa tier tonality
What does Africa have to do with it? Tonal languages are used all over East and Southeast Asia.