What is more important? Punishment or Rehabilitation?

What is more important? Punishment or Rehabilitation?

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Rehabilitation through forced labour. everyone gains that way.

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Depends on your goal.

The fundamental goal is reduce costs to the community caused by crime, that can be broken down into several aspects.

> Direct economic damage caused by the crime
> Social damage to the victims and their family caused by the crime
> Economic cost of punishment for the prisoner
> Economic cost of removing the prisoner from the economy (reduced labor force), and reduced economic value of the prisoner from having been a prisoner in the first place
> Social damage to the family of the prisoner

At the base level, all of these is achieved by reducing crime and not having to lock people up in the first place. There's the argument to be made that punishment is more effective than rehabilitation due to fear of it, but there the counter argument that punishment is ineffective at preventing recidivism.

Rehabilitation unless prospects of it are proven bleak by psychological inquiry, in which case we can cut costs by salvaging organs and auctioning them off or introducing them to the public healthcare system 2bqh

Retribution!!!

which one protects the public, and is seen to protect the public?

you have to balance need to rehabilitate against the feelie weelies of a vengeful public. shit is hard, yo, especially when you have lazy journos on a slow news day desperately trying to get their byline on some clickbait.

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Ultimately punishment and rehabilitation should be used together but with rehabilitation as end goal.

Focusing solely on punishment or rehabilitation through punishment does nothing but make the problem worse over time.

Depends on a case by case basis.

Rehabilitation should be tried, but some people are so far gone that punishment is the only way

Rehab over Punishment any day

Throwing people into a prison system which destroys their sense of being in a functioning society and being absolutely baffled and crying when that person murders your family because no effort was made to rehabilitate them beyond throwing them in a cell with other animals, treated like garbage, abused by authority, each other, doctors, lawyers, and judges, themselves. Then abused by a society that rejects and scorns them to the point where they literally cannot vote and say you were a criminal on a job application you might as well set it on fire and hand it in to have a better chance at having a job

The idea of actually serving your time for your crimes is foreign at least in the US.

Especially when somehow prisons can be privately owned by people which will never ever stop baffling me. Like who sat down and said

"This would be a really good idea."

Punishment.
>A law was written to be obeyed
>Law is broken
>Punishment is conferred
Very simple, literally dogs and apes understand this.

And that's how come US has one of the highest crime rates.

That's a funny way to spell "niggers"

depends on the crime obviously
all crimes aren't created equal

Any crimes that don't infringe on someone's life can be rehabilitated.

If you take the right to life away from someone then your life and your right to it are lost and just punishment is all you deserve

It's something like 8% of US prisons are privately owned. Although I agree that they can tend to be a problem. Public prisons can as well. The argument that private prisons are wrong because they have an incentive to jail people can also be applied to public prison guard unions-- which is a rather powerful union which lobbies against things like drug decriminalization.

I think rehabilitation should be the goal which the justice system should be based around, but not at all costs. For example, Nordic justice systems are pretty lax in sentencing. I remember reading about a murderer in either Sweden or Norway who was was released after 5 years and immediately killed someone else. A less lenient system could have prevented that crime.

So while it's important to prepare prisoners for the real world and acclimate them to the idea of participating in that world this should not be the end of justice systems. Retribution and revenge for families is an illogical motivator, but I still agree with long sentences and even capital punishment in some cases.

People like this guy
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish
should be put to death. There is no rehabilitation to be had for the truly sinister. Even if there was, I don't believe that it's truly justice to attempt to reform a man who rapes, murders, and eats little boys/girls along with similar types of crimes. It's not rational it's just what I feel is right.

Burglars, dealers, and non-violent offenders should be in a reformed minimal security prison system.

Do people who purposefully taken other's lives really deserve to be readmitted into society?
Why should they get a second chance at life when they have taken away the same such freedom from their victims?

>le nigger nigger niggity nig nog nigger XDD!!!

Apples and oranges.

Rehabilitation is a means to an end, you take a drug dealer and make business classes his only outlet during his long stay to mold him into something better.

Punishment is a goal itself, any deterrence is just a beneficial side effect. Someone looked at the world, all the beautiful and mysterious things in it and the sapient beings they shared it with... and they decided to beat a toddler to death or whatever. I am sure the spookless egoists of Veeky Forums don't believe in religious pollution and wouldn't bother punishing someone like this beyond any practical purpose, however you could compare it to an expensive luxury. If someone decides to inflict suffering on someone else for their amusement it begs the question how they would react if they were on the receiving end, particularly if they did not expect any consequences to their actions. Of course it is hypocritical to take pleasure from punishing someone, this would be revenge not punishment. It is important that whoever delivers the punishment does not enjoy doing so or receive a reward from those that do while observing, they should be paid a standard wage for their trouble.

Rehabilitation clearly has limits and not every criminal is a murderer. Your argument is lacking.