How do people overcome depression? The more i read about history/humanities/society the more unhappy i get...

How do people overcome depression? The more i read about history/humanities/society the more unhappy i get. How do you guys do it? The only moment i can feel "happy" is when im being an hedonist piece of shit by playing video games/masturbating/watching tv.

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Cognitive behavioral therapy

Create. Draw, write, etc. Also, if you play lots of games, you should try your hand at making some.

Forgot to mention: creation is a form of expressing things, so you'll eventually be able to convey your feelings about society in a way that people are more open to.

drink

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I ignore my problems with porn and masturbation

I wish I were dead

find a new hobby

proper: read scientific literature or philosophy
shortcut: see a therapist (con: not resourceful)
immediacy: self-deprecation/self-loathe

Eat well
Exercise enough
Quality sleep
Meditation
Let the sun touch you
Create positive thoughts in your mind and positive results will follow. Make it genuine, afterall you can only kill yourself, live miserably or live a decent life, let your soul scream from the inside.
Don't take any industrial medications, let nature be your medicine.
Realize that with time you can heal a lot.
Get rid of addictions one by one.
Do the smallest tasks in life, they'll make you feel good enough.
Scream like an animal.
All that said, you'll still eat shit trying to achieve what I listed above, there's no life hack, you'll have to discipline yourself.
Good luck depressed user

Drinking, mainly. If I pass out before I can kill myself, I win, and get to live another day.

I also come to Veeky Forums to remind myself that, no matter how bad it gets, at least I'm not a drooling imbecile like 99% of the posters here.

Depression is a primal deficit of love and attention.

When you do things like play video games or jerk off, you're getting instant rewarding feedback. It disguises the depression; and in some people, it makes them manic-depressive.
There's a statistic of a lot of people, for example, who masturbate and feel good while also at the same time feeling heavily depressed (I'm one of them). It's an empty kind of pleasure; it feels good, but it lacks meaning.

The only way to get meaning in your life is to actively seek out friends/family. Your life will feel 100x better when you build a relationship with someone. Day after day of being self centered, you're depriving yourself of what your body needs in terms of social contact.

>he feels good while masturbating
I do it out of habit, I haven't had a real erection in years. I can hardly sleep if I haven't jacked off

>Let the Son touch you
fixed

People don't. They wallow for life. People who were meant to be happy were born that way and they have a completely different outlook on life then their peers. The very nature by which they react to events and process stimuli is different. You can't get there, no matter how hard you try. You can only practice mindfulness.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2911090/

Read Timothy Morton and Wendell Berry, then watch E7.
Nihilism is a sad excuse to not revel in creation.

By distracting yourself, otherwise is the only permanent solution.

Taoism-stoicism makes me happy

>being a slave makes me happy
Delusion.

>freedom is slavery
What year is it?

>stoicshit
>taoshit
>freedom

Think like the Greeks: it's all either comedy or tragedy. So smile and make jokes or you'll be in the tragedy section.

>inb4 kike/Anglo

Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation and lots of exercise

Never understood why this subject is so depressing to people, I'm depressed for other reasons and honestly this place helps pick me up when I need it

False, extremely false, happiness comes from yourself only

go buy a bag of meth and shove it up your ass
then you'll figure it out
i'm only mostly joking

Get a waifu, it's not a meme.

Stop seekign happiness, this causes depression.

Instead try to understand your own current state of the mind, the "depressed state". Its a rational state. Use this rational mindset to your advantage and get things done.

I actually tried to get CBT a month ago but the moment I said I had aspergers (mild autism) he gave me back my money and said he can't help me.

There's no hope for me...

You can't "overcome" depression. Do you seriously believe that you can just make all these things in your head go away magically? No. They're here to stay, and all you can do is learn to live with them because they will eat away at your soul for the rest of your life.

If you think that you can make yourself happy, you will be depressed your entire life.

Depression runs in my family; I have relatives who've killed themselves or turned to alcoholism. If it weren't for different ways of thinking, I'd be dead right now.

what is freedom to you other than primitive hedonism?

stop thinking/analysing

>How do people overcome depression? The more i read about history/humanities/society the more unhappy i get. How do you guys do it?

Faith in Kek - knowing the Jews won't get away with destroying the planet - that they'll spend eternity being tortured for their crimes against the gods.

youtube.com/watch?v=jkf1sHFvYO8

Hedonism isn't freedom either, you tool.

Looks like you've encountered the absurd, OP. Only two paths in front of you now.

>Stop thinking
Wow great advice user, you get that advice from experience?

>not being your waifu

Eat well, sleep well, find hobbies that you can immerse yourself into

And realize that no matter how bad it gets, someone always has it worse

same dude
i pray for death every day

Overcomming depression is a meme. You will never escape this uneasy feeling, all you can do is building up barriers to hold against it. Make something of yourself so you do not feel defenseless before the existentiall dread that is life. Being a hedonistic pile of garbage only gets you to the next meltdown which will come inevitably and will be worse than the last one. Do something which makes you feel like you are going somewhere, this way you are atleast moving and not standing petrified, waiting for the world to roll you over.

Get into Gnosticism and/or Thelema.

>let nature be your medicine

Lmao

Taking a bunch of acid and making a very impulsive trip to somewhere fucked up like india(go to goa, it's fucking heaven on earth with just a bit of littering) helps. You kinda learn to stop worrying about things you can't control exactly because they will just happen to you anyway. Better to let go of that anxiety and existential dread so you can enjoy the moment for what it is.

Also colours are now better and loads of weed makes me able to lightly trip.

If there's anything history should teach you it's that psychedelics are fucking great. Just ask Mozes and his DMT session.

I consider depression to be a meme. Overriding it with the other one, more suitable might work I think.

I took acid like twice in one week and im pretty sure im retarded now.

>I went to one professional who wasn't qualified to treat me haha I guess thats the end of the road I'm out of options!

>How do people overcome depression?
By seeking help.
SO, basically, not by shitting up the topic quality by posting about it on a fucking history board.

You know what, how about this:
Kill yourself. Because if you are seeking help on this site, you obviously have no actual desire to get better, and you will need that to get better obviously, so there is really no point.

Do you feel better now?

>Now.
Right.

About half of major depressive episodes end by themselves in 8-24 months, if therapy isn't an option, try exercise or a creative hobby. DON'T KILL YOURSELF

There is literally nothing wrong with suicide

At least you have that going for you.
I only feel not depressed when with friends and right now they all are busy as fuck.

I would recommend Aristotle, part of your issue as I see it is that you do suppose there is such a thing as the good life,
and Aristotle is one of the best articulations of what the good life looks like, and how one can live it.
Nicomachean Ethics proved to be useful to myself.

Also, I have found walks through nature with no particular thought in mind to be conducive to a sensation of belonging within the World.

Go outside by yourself. Just enjoy nature. Spending time in the desert always sorts me out.

You deprive your nation of valuable labor, even if it's menial it's a net boon to it because everybody has a part to play

You deprive your family of the relationship that they wanted to have with you, and force them to deal with the emotional fallout of losing a loved one senselessly

You deprive yourself of the experience of living in this world by taking the coward's way out. Death hits us the same no matter which leg in the process we find it, it doesn't matter if you're a 90 year old billionaire or a penniless bum, we all end up in the same place (or lack thereof, depending on your beliefs) and this is the only life you can be assured of having.

>You deprive yourself of the experience of living in this world
But what if your experience of living in this world has been nothing but negatives with only a rare occurrence of positive times, and you've spent your whole life in painful envy of others?

I see death as 'the great neutral' and if someone has lived a life full of suffering with such a tiny amount of happiness is it such a horrible thing that they embrace the great neutral once more when they've finally had enough?

depression runs in my family and I was depressed and am now very happy, you are wrong.

Also if you don't believe it you wont get anywhere.

I agree with most of what you're saying here. Three healthy meals and sleeping at fixed times helps a LOT for starters. Going outside once in a while ESPECIALLY combined with physical activity comes second.

Those are the first steps. Do those every day while figuring out what makes you happy.

I am wondering whether happiness really is the ultimate goal.

INTRODUCING THE COSTANZA PILL: A Philosophy for the 21st Century

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then do it fgt

Unironically: sex. Get those endorphins flowing

>you've spent your whole life in painful envy of others?
Stop being envious and start focusing on improving your situation. If you're depressed, stop overthinking it, it could very well just be a chemical imbalance which can be set straight with proper treatment. It's not your fault that you're depressed, so stop beating yourself up over it.

> if someone has lived a life full of suffering with such a tiny amount of happiness is it such a horrible thing that they embrace the great neutral once more when they've finally had enough?
That statement could very well be applied to a "heroic" mythical figure like Achilles, who chose the short, violent life of action over the long life of anonymous comfort and ease. Achilles had a short, hard life of mostly death and loss, with a few bright moments of glory. Does that make his life any less worth living? Or do we acknowledge that what is "heroic" about him is that he goes smiling into the maw of oblivion, greeting his life's assigned task with competence and true grit?

If we imagine ourselves like Sisyphus, condemned by the gods to an eternity of mindless drudgery, we only have to imagine Sisyphus smiling, greeting each new day with the mindset of "ohh, look at that one!" when he sets about his morning and goes looking for a boulder to start pushing up the mountain. We may not have any control over our lot in life, but what we do have control over is our response to it.

If you have nothing or no one to live for, you have no one to blame but yourself. Humans are tribal animals, we live and die so that the tribe may go on. We have to think of ourselves as belonging to something bigger than our crass individuality, or else our lives become empty and pointless.

Cringe

Not him but my favorite thing in life is listening to music, I can seriously listen to my ipod continuously all day, every day. I have zero artistic talent tho. Absolutely none. I can't draw, I can't write and I sure as shit can't play an instrument. Retards like myself don't have creative outlets.

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stay spooky, my friend

The only one who's spooked here is you

All humans are driven by spooks, even you. Calling out others is only masking the ghosts of the past which drive your behavior. The only "unspooked" individual is the solitary survivalist living in the wilderness on his own without need or want for human contact, and that's nobody in this board. If you have more than a clan's worth of humans in an area, you need cultural and national narratives to help understand the means by which your society chooses to construct itself. Separate the man from these narratives, and all you have is an individual spooked by individualism.

Thinking of the future generates Stress.
Thinking of the past generates Depression.
Fix your present.

Just, uh, be yourself brah

BLACKED

This.

> Conquering the fear of death
> Cowardly

As long as you didn't undertake a compelling voluntary obligation, like marriage or having a child, then the worst that can be said of a suicide is that the person is making a mistake.

ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/pessimism/chapter3.html

>The only moment i can feel "happy" is when im being an hedonist piece of shit by playing video games/masturbating/watching tv
This is not happiness, this is sense gratification. Your sense gratification means you are after happiness, but this happiness is temporary. Any material happiness, it has no continuity. It has got limit. So called happiness turns into frustration and then into depression as no actual happiness is derived from such a process. Happiness is achieved by spiritual existence, and the elevation of one's consciousness. Practice austerity, practice bhakti-yoga and purify your existence. Chant Hare Krsna and be happy.

>If you have nothing or no one to live for, you have no one to blame but yourself. Humans are tribal animals, we live and die so that the tribe may go on.

Why is maintaining our species something of normative value? The more we learn about the universe and the processes that govern it, the more cold and devoid of meaning it appears to be. Our species will go extinct eventually anyway, why continue to force people into existence?

Lift weights, dress well, get a job, get a nice haircut, get a girlfriend

Basically stop being a virgin

Don't listen to these idiots. It's better to realize the truths of the Universe and deal with depression than being a brain dead normalfag. Depression is good.

Diet and exercise. If you're healthy, you'll feel happy.

When I do acid I have an overwhelming anxiety that comes on in waves. I would say it's almost certainly because of my actual anxieties. Therefore I have reason to suspect acid is may not be a good idea for this guy with depression.
Weed on the other hand is great for it. Go nuts.

>Why is maintaining our species something of normative value?
Because that is your programming. Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed.
>The more we learn about the universe and the processes that govern it, the more cold and devoid of meaning it appears to be.
The universe is exactly the shape and composition needed to support people like us. If one of its physical parameters were even slightly off, even by a tiny fraction of a decimal, the universe as we know it would cease to exist. Scientists call it the fine-tuning problem.
>Our species will go extinct eventually anyway, why continue to force people into existence?
Because that extinction does not have to be an unhappy ending: our legacy can continue on in daughter species, either robots and artificial intelligence, or future evolutions of humanity. And whose to say what mysteries of the universe they may be able to gleam, potentially even ones that would allow the "human tribe" to continue indefinitely, even past the Heat Death of this universe. It won't happen for trillions of years, a longer period of time than the universe has existed up until this point.

I'm beginning to think drugs did a sort of damage to my perception of reality that will take years to overcome.

Be grateful yu fuckwit

Be greatful somebody pull the sky above, to make you wonder ine cstasy

be greatful smeboy put the stargs abive to make you dream

be greatful somebody put the soun to give you warmth and light

be greateful fo all the beauty, the great beauty of the world

>Because that is your programming. Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed.

It really isn't though, tons of gay people or people with weird perversions since they were children who are not into sex

Also man can rise above nature

>, potentially even ones that would allow the "human tribe" to continue indefinitely

Impossible, the universe itself will collapse one day, also everything is bound to die

Maybe he already does, at least ask him before

Plenty of people who have all that and are depressed

>scream like an animal
This is going to sound weird as shit but this works for me. If you scream from deep in your gut you can kinda release some of what you have built up inside.

>It really isn't though, tons of gay people or people with weird perversions since they were children who are not into sex
Gay people's genes get passed on in the form of nieces, nephews, and cousins, and they are an overall benefit to those children, especially in conditions with lots of people, because it is more adults emotionally and financially supporting fewer children, maximizing those children's chances of success by concentrating resources.

Perversions exist because sex between humans is primarily used to build and strengthen bonds of emotional intimacy between individuals (and why female humans don't go into heat but have hidden estrus, evolutionarily speaking reproduction has been relegated to one of sex's secondary functions in humans), and the older people get, the more elaborate schemes they come up with to get off in the face of their declining libido.

>Also man can rise above nature
Only by accepting himself as part of it. Anything else is hubris

>Impossible, the universe itself will collapse one day, also everything is bound to die
Big crunch models are increasingly seen as unlikely in the face of an accelerating universe. A far distant Heat Death is more likely, and that would be trillions of years away. Plenty of time for humans descendents to figure out what they're going to do about it. The universe is only 13.772 billion years old, after all, imagine what human descendents would be like 100 billion years from now, which isn't even close to the final age of the universe, or when Red dwarfs are expected to start burning out.

>Anything else is hubris

Maybe, hubris and foolishness aren't that different

You are being completely foolish and obtuse if you think reproducing alone is fulfilling to men, or "continuing the human species", you're just making nature into a goddess, it's not much different, basically you created a god and justify your belief trying to sell it as science

No, nature is not a conscious entity and reproducing itself doesn't equal to happiness, you're trying to reduce man to a baby making machine without dreams or ambitions besides the survival of the human "species" which isn't really true

>Plenty of time for humans descendents to figure out what they're going to do about it

Not really, there's no sign of any other intelligent species having even discovered a way to do interstellar travel, let alone defeat heat death

>You are being completely foolish and obtuse if you think reproducing alone is fulfilling to men, or "continuing the human species"
What's obtuse here is your pathological inability to comprehend empathetic and emotional bonds which all humans secretly crave, no matter how much they attempt to bury it under rationality and logic. These are an important component of the equation that you are attempting to ignore. All humans have those kinds of needs, the devil is in the details of how you go about addressing those needs.

Nobody said that men should be baby factories, you can get along perfectly well adopting a child and teaching them to carry on your "tribe" after you are dead and gone. An entire major world religion is based around a man who did just that. It's the journey that matters, not the destination.

>you're just making nature into a goddess
"goddess" implies some kind of oral or literary tradition justifying its own existence, I am talking about things which do not need to be spoken, because they are things that every human who has ever lived experiences. We are all tribal apes who have evolved the intellectual sophistication to be self aware of the balancing act between the needs of individuals and the needs of the tribe. They have primal urgings, instincts, needs, and wants. They want to feel like they belong to something, they want a social ladder to climb, they want a partner with whom to squish their pissers together.

>nature is not a conscious entity
I don't even know where you're getting this stuff

>Not really, there's no sign of any other intelligent species having even discovered a way to do interstellar travel, let alone defeat heat death
Maybe it's because they adapt themselves to their environment, and not the other way around?
Maybe it's because we haven't been looking long enough?
Maybe it's because of the sheer scale of the universe, that we are like protists wondering what protists on the other side of the lake are up too?

Something being according to nature doesn't make it good in a normative sense. Disease and natural disasters are according to nature and they cause humans and non-humans tremendous suffering. Some people are "programmed" to develop cancer, but that doesn't mean that this is a good thing in a normative sense.

It's true that our existence is incredibly unlikely to begin with, but that doesn't mean we have significance from the perspective of the universe; the universe will carry on regardless of whether or not we choose to end our lives. Very few people become significant even from the perspective of our species let alone the universe.

As for our successors surviving the heat death of the universe, I think that's a secular theodicy. The chance of that happening isn't worth the countless generations of suffering and death that would entail to accomplish, if it even tried out to be possible.

why would he be grateful about any of that?

theres no rationalizing out of low serotonine levels

actualy rationalizing and hyper-intellectualisation are both a symptom and a problem in themselves, parts of the brain just go off into tangents and since youre depressed they start going into a sort of meta-attack on you and all and everything, because depression is basicaly agression turned inwards, so the thinking itself is neurotic and destructive and even vicious because realy it dosent want a positive, valuble answer, its just a irrational assertion of the depressed state, and these go into reinforcing feedback loops and can get you into problems, like getting suicidal or actively destructive because eventualy it has to be acted out somehow

just get out more, interact with people, move as much as possible, like do sports or go for walks, have sex, work if you can find work

observe the tendency to burry yourself into a comfort zone and try to break the habit, observe how you slide from discomfort or frustration into selfgratification, and try to just feel the frustration instead for a change, notice how the things you do to selfgratify make your life emptyer and fuck you up and basicaly serve like cogs that get you trough the sort of life that causes that frustration you feel, observe how all states and streams of thought realy do pass and come and go in patterns, see if you can choose the patterns or guide them, as in pull yourself out of feeling like shit instead of actively pushing yourself deeper into feeling like shit

and generaly pull your head out of your ass, lofty phylosophical notions of nihilism, absurdity and meaninglesness are just comfy intellectual masturbation tools, the reality is far far worse

>Disease and natural disasters are according to nature
Of course they are, but it is only by understanding the way that these things work that we can develop workarounds that allow our society to mitigate their worst effects. The more control that we exert over nature, both external nature and our inner natures, the more complex social arrangements that become possible. Life itself is an increasingly orderly decay of energy states.

> Some people are "programmed" to develop cancer, but that doesn't mean that this is a good thing in a normative sense.
Again, by understanding nature and comprehending nature, we understand the mechanism which creates the cancer, and our possibilities open up as we apply these understandings to the human condition and gradually learn how to "reprogram" our bodies to act more in accordance with our wishes.

>the universe will carry on regardless of whether or not we choose to end our lives.
there's no real way to prove that the universe doesn't blink out of existence the moment that the individual observing it ceases to observe it.

>Very few people become significant even from the perspective of our species let alone the universe.
it's not about achieving fame or glory, it's about living a life that you, in your own subjective experience, found fulfilling.

>As for our successors surviving the heat death of the universe, I think that's a secular theodicy. The chance of that happening isn't worth the countless generations of suffering and death that would entail to accomplish, if it even tried out to be possible.
Does knowing with certainty that you will die some day in the future prevent you from continuing this conversation? why or why not?

>a social ladder to climb

Which is Not a natural instinct since stratified society didn't exist until a few thousand years ago

You're just replacing The abstract idea of God with humanity, it is a spook, and ensuring humanity continues doesn't equal to happiness, and thinking humanity will never cease is The very definition of hubris

inject yourself with hormones and become a tranny

Basically an ad hominem answer trying to make OP feel guilty for his depression

> like do sports or go for walks, have sex, work if you can find work

Maybe he does all of that, those things don't make you necessarily happy and in fact might cause depression

>f nihilism, absurdity and meaninglesness are just comfy intellectual masturbation tools, the reality is far far worse

Worse than nihilism?

Elaborate, either way I honestly don't like how you addressed OP like you're superior to him and your condescending tone is insufferable

nobody just woke up with those skills dummy, you have to practice to get anywhere

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Historically, most people drank themselves to death when faced with depression.