Daily K.u.K. Habsburgboo Thread

Habsburgbros assemble! Let's dicuss anything related to Austrian Empire, Habsburg dynasty, history, culture, art and everyday life in Donaumonarchie. Make yourself comfy, get yourself a slice of Sachertorte and enjoy the sounds of Radetzky Marsch.

youtube.com/watch?v=QZjsUrUps-o

Topic for today: Gorlice–Tarnów Offensive of 1915, or on Russian side known as the Great Retreat.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorlice–Tarnów_Offensive

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Retreat_(Russian)

A major Central Powers offensive mostly conducted by K.u.K. commanders. In just 5 months from May to October the attacking forces advanced some 300 km to the east, causing great destruction and dissaray of Russian forces. The Russians lost Galicia, Poland and a chunk of Lithuania.

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=42Z16uRNND8
math.dartmouth.edu/~lamperti/Justo_Armas.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Austrian_Galicia
jstor.org/stable/4205835?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents
ww1.habsburger.net/en/chapters/war-crimes-habsburg-army-between-soldateska-and-court-martial
independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments/a-history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments-the-execution-of-civilians-in-serbia-9244674.html
encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/atrocities
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Best country ever or best country ever?

Kaiser Franz Joseph opening a new bridge in Prague, 1904.
Beautiful

The city of Krakow. In the Austrian Empire, it was the capital of the Grand Duchy of Krakow. Franz Joseph held the title of the Grand Duke of Krakow.

Unlike German or Russian Empire, the Habsburg house allowed their Polish subjects a great degree of autonomy and freedoms. Under benevolent Austrian rule, Kraków became a Polish national symbol and a centre of culture and art, known frequently as the "Polish Athens" (Polskie Ateny) or "Polish Mecca". Many leading Polish artists of the period resided in Kraków, among them the seminal painter Jan Matejko, and the founder of modern Polish drama, Stanisław Wyspiański.

Fin de siècle Kraków evolved into a modern metropolis; running water and electric streetcars were introduced in 1901, and between 1910 and 1915, Kraków and its surrounding suburban communities were gradually combined into a single administrative unit called Greater Kraków (Wielki Kraków).

>their abbreviation of choice is LITERALLY KuK

Asking for it if you ask me.

Why was the Austrian Army so autistic during world war 1?

Although Austrian troops occupied it in 1878, the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina didn't come until 1908. during WW1, the Dual Monarchy mobilized special units consisting of Bosnian infantry. They were allowed to wear traditional fez as a headgear and in their honor composer Eduard Wagnes composed a military march, "Die Bosniaken kommen" (The Bosnians are coming).

youtube.com/watch?v=42Z16uRNND8

Pic related is Leutnat der Reserve Mihovil Vujicic, serving in Bosnian-Herzegovinian infantry during WW1

>Slavs go fight Slavs for the Emperor!
No one really gave a shit at this point. People often deserted just to be safe or even to join the enemy. Italian front was a different bussines though, they fought surprisingly well there (at least when compared to performance in Russia or Balkan).

"May 1918. Left to Right: Oberleutnant Gozbosev (?), Feldkurat Jovandic, Leutnant i.d.R. Vujicic and Leutnant i.d.R. Milan Protic"

Some more photos of the same guy.

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"Leutnant in der Reserve Zdenek Kolársky, unidentified and Leutnant in der Reserve Mihovil Vujicic"

"It means something else in another language, checkmate Habsburgboos"

Franz Sacher (19 December 1816 – 11 March 1907) was an Austrian confectioner, best known as the inventor of the world-famous chocolate cake, the Sachertorte.

In 1832 Austria's minister of foreign affairs, Prince Metternich, ordered his court's kitchen to create a special dessert for a dinner to be attended by high-ranking guests. Dass er mir aber keine Schand' macht, heut' Abend! ("Let there be no shame on me tonight!"), he is reported to have declared. Unfortunately, on the day of the dinner the chief cook of Metternich's household was taken ill, and the task of preparing the dessert had to be passed to Franz Sacher, then in his second year of apprenticeship at the palace. The result was the magnificent chocolate cake devised on the spot by the 16-year-old trainee.

Sacher was born in Vienna and died in Baden bei Wien. He had two sons, Eduard and Carl, with his wife Rosa. Eduard Sacher opened the Hotel Sacher in 1876, near the State Opera House in Vienna. The Sachertorte is said to be instrumental in spreading the fame of the hotel. The exact recipe as created by Sacher himself is a closely guarded secret.

His son, Eduard Sacher opened the famous Hotel Sacher in Vienna, 1876. The hotel still stands to this day.

>when you remain kaisertreue even after the monarchy has long been dissolved
thanks for making this thread, m8.

In short, the military junta that took over the dual monarchy during the war was hyper autistic and figured the only way to prevent the various subject peoples from revolting was extreme repression and literally nothing else. Germany, by contrast, figured out pretty fast that you needed a bit of carrot to go with the stick - they worked to create a war narrative, and understood that releasing bad news to the press was more helpful than hiding it if it was framed correctly ('Tzarist Hordes Enter East Prussia! The Fatherland Is Doomed Unless You Work Harder!').

The net result was that much of the Habsburg Monarchy's subjects were terribly in the dark not only about how the war was progressing, but why they should care. Why can't we just focus on punishing Serbia and just /let/ the Russians have that shithole Galicia? Why should I care if I'm a Czech?

The notable exception as that other user noted was the Italian front - here, everyone knew why they were fighting, and if every Ukrainian, Slovak, Romanian, Magyar along with every other soldier in K.u.K. uniform could agree on anything, the treacherous Italians were opportunistic scumbags of the highest degree. Compounding this was how terribly led their army was for much of the war - morale tends to be high among troops who believe they're better than their enemy.

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Currently reading pic related. I mostly picked it up to get a different perspective on the Napoleonic Wars and it's pretty interesting.

>written by an Anglo

Your opinion on Justo Armas? Yes or No?

Maximiliano II was secretly pardoned by Juarez and sent to El Salvador where he made a life of teaching etiquette and other fancy things to the upper class there, but never revealed his real name as part of the deal with Juarez.

As far as I know there is no historical doubt of the existence of such man, the mystery is who was him.

>Perhaps the most suggestive piece of evidence, verifiable in part, is the visit in 1914 or 1915 by two emissaries of the Austrian government. These men apparently avoided contacts with Salvadoran government officials and instead persistently sought an interview with a reluctant don Justo. When they finally met, the Austrians reportedly begged him to "return" with them to Austria and assume his "rightful position" there, an offer or request which Armas steadfastly refused. All this, if verified, adds up to a suggestive if not compelling circumstantial case that don Justo Armas was in fact the former Emperor Maximilian of Mexico.


>As a lighter touch, it is also reported that after the execution Benito Júarez published an edict announcing that the Archduke Francis Maximilian of Austria had been "hecho justo por las armas," a euphemism for execution. This phrase, the suggestion goes, was the origin of the name "Justo Armas"!

math.dartmouth.edu/~lamperti/Justo_Armas.html

Was it Hungarian autism that caused fall of the Empire?

No, it was the Entente winning the war.

Dear God, why would you give the Slavs any rights? Austrians get their pet Slavs (Czechs and Slovenians) and Hungarians get their pet Slavs (Croats and Slovaks). Perfect system, no?

Probably because those slavs were counting in milions and literally ran your industry

>Dear God, why would you give the Slavs any rights?
Good plan, you fucking jackass, Metternich tried the whole "LOL reform is for FAGS" and look how far that got him.

Not an argument

>Wake up in the K.u.K.
>H>R>E is not an unitary state
>British isles are not united under a single Habsburg monarchy
>France isn't a rump Habsburg duchy with good of its east ceded to the HRE
>Protestantism is still a plurality of Christianity
>World not united under the houses of David and Habsburg
>Monarchs have not shaken off the bourgeoisise as they have the aristocracy

>not calling it habsboo general

This is a really good thread.

Because that's what destroyed it in the first place. Hungarians being given rights was simultaneously too much and not enough. It was an awful compromise

It was also the issue of them having a separate parliament after literally trying to revolt and become independent. They weren't in the German parliament, there was an entire Hungarian parliament under the dual-monarchy system. So they got to be cunts with no balances really against them on integrating more of the minorities. The Czechs/sloves/croats were all highly germanized and would have made valuable participants in the state, especially the Czechs, if they were given citizenship.

>Poverty in Galicia was extreme, particularly in the late 19th century. Galicia in that period has been described as not only the poorest province of Austro-Hungary, but the poorest province of Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_Austrian_Galicia
>Austria-Hungary failed to create transportation networks necessary for the development of industries and markets throughout the empire. Unlike imperial Germany, the Habsburgs were hostile toward the idea of building railway systems in the provinces, and remained fixated on their own metropolis. The whole of Austrian Bohemia was served by only one line throughout the 1860s. Emperor Francis opposed further construction "lest revolution might come into the country." Railways were owned privately in Austria-Hungary before 1881, and only gradually acquired by the state interest until the outbreak of World War One. Viennese banks – wrote Clive Trebilcock of Cambridge – were tapping the eastern grain-plains [of Galicia] in fully colonial style.[2]

>More than a third of the adult male population was illiterate; the army of the landless proletariat lived in conditions of unrelieved squalor. (…) The main social problem in Hungary, a peasant one, was kept in bounds since men of initiative often emigrated-between 1984 and 1908 one million people left Hungary for the New World. P.164-165
>Towards the end of the 19th century the army authorities were obliged to raise the age of conscription from 20 to 21, since at the former age many Hungarian peasants had not fully developed. (K. Glückman, Das Heerwesen der oesterreichisch-ungarischen Monarchie, Vienna, 1909, p. 19))
>Since only the propertied classes had a vote, and since even this modest franchise was supplemented in practice by much fraud and intimidation, it was almost impossible for anyone to be elected to parliament if he did not accept the rules of the party game in Budapest. In particular, the ten million non-Magyars of Hungary had almost no representation, so the fiction of Magyar Hungary could be maintained and the process of magyarization, which was the Government’s demagogic method of attracting support, could continue undisturbed. p.165

Constitutional Crises in Hungary, 1903-1906 Norman Stone,
The Slavonic and East European Review Vol. 45, No. 104 (Jan., 1967), pp. 163-182
jstor.org/stable/4205835?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents

Oh just wait untill the Burgers wake up...
Anyway, as someone from Baden. am I an honourary Austrian?

>almost 50% of the population are increasingly nationalist Slavs
>lmao fuck em, what's the worst that can happen?

>The acts of violence committed by the Habsburg army were aimed in particular at the Jewish, Polish and Ruthenian population in the Bukovina, Galicia and the occupied Russian regions, as well as against the Serbian, Montenegrin and Bosnian population in the conquered areas in the Balkans. According to historian Anton Holzer, the excesses were "[...] arranged and planned at the highest level. They included hostage-taking and hostage-shootings, massed deportation, incarceration and forced labour – and [...] mass executions. The violent politics of the military was accompanied by further violent excesses that were in part tolerated, in part left unpunished: rape, looting, arbitrary killings and the destruction of houses."
ww1.habsburger.net/en/chapters/war-crimes-habsburg-army-between-soldateska-and-court-martial

>The military justification for the massacre of civilians was that many were “partisans” engaged in a guerrilla war against the invading forces. As early as 17 August, the Austro-Hungarian general, Lothar vonHortstein, complained that it was impossible to send reconnaissance patrols into Serb territory because “all were killed by the rural people”. But it is also certain that popular anti-Serb sentiment gave the military the impression it had been given carte blanche to commit atrocities. A popular song in Vienna in August of that year was entitled “Alle Serben müssen sterben” (“All Serbs must die”).
independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments/a-history-of-the-first-world-war-in-100-moments-the-execution-of-civilians-in-serbia-9244674.html

>Civilians were also subjected to violence by their own governments. In Galicia and the Ukraine, Habsburg troops killed a large number of civilians suspected of betrayal. As many as 30,000 Ruthenes (Habsburg Ukrainians) may have been executed without trial.[34] Anton Holzer has published a collection of photographs from Austria-Hungary’s war that amply document the arrest of "suspects", the hanging of civilians, alleged partisans, and spies, the shooting of captured soldiers, and the "grinning of the hangmen" (the title of Holzer’s book, Das Lächeln der Henker).

>The deliberate maltreatment of the Italians by the Habsburg army began immediately after capture: the conditions, especially for the 270,000 men taken captive in the aftermath of the Italian army’s collapse at Caporetto in late October 1917, posed an immediate threat to the men’s health and survival. Italian prisoners were often deprived of their warm clothing and sent on long rail journeys in cattle-cars without adequate food, drink, and sanitation, arriving in Austria exhausted, frozen, and sick. Poor nutrition, in combination with exhausting physical labour and inadequate heating and shelter, accounted for the mass death of Italian prisoners in Austro-Hungarian captivity: out of 468,000 men at least 92,451 (19.8 percent on Italian figures) died.[58]

encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/atrocities

The 1848 revolutions really soured the relations between the minorities. No wonder secessionism gained support.

It should be added, that the AHM had the fastest expanding railway network pre-war.

OOH, WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE?
>defeats your entire army in one decisive battle

Is this a burger, frenchie, turk(anatolian greek), turk(serb), turk(r*manian), slav(pole), slav(m*gyar) baiting?

>the crown prince's army shows up
Heh, nothing personal Habscucks

Habsburgs are utter lefty cucks

>The only country to get defeated by Italy

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

THE UTTER STATE

No it was Shitaly destroying your army

G*rmans and Hungarians betrayed the Kaiser, so basically yes.

Anglo sources on A-H is like Soviet sources on the Holodomor.

Habsburgs were the ultimate right wingers, to them nationalism was a leftist freemasonic ideology.

Metternich was right.

>army is frantically trying to halt the russian tide
>shitaly takes the opportunity to backstab you
>somehow, despite having the full weight of its army against your modest sprinkling of border guards, fails to backstab you
>tries to stab you in the back 11 more times
>eventually you run out of food so your army quits, the shitalians chase after you to claim """victory"""
>for dying in the mountains in the tens of thousands and for betraying their allies, they fittingly get a few border towns and nothing else, such that the italian ambassador to the paris peace conference almost kills himself

Poetic, wouldn't you agree?

>mfw I I realize it was Austrians and not germans who caused WW1 & WW2
Wtf I hate Austrians now

Habsburg Spain was better.

Fuck off Ameriblob

>launching into succession crisis because your king is so inbred he can't make kids

Kuk means cock in sweden

By that time A-H was already dissolving and soldiers were refusing to follow orders. Nonetheless Italians got their asses spanked pretty hard throughout the war.

Everything means cock in Sweden.

that book is written by an anglo, but is so pro-Austrian it's ridiculous. It IS a very fresh perspective (Frederick the Great actually being Frederick the Dumb But Lucky Cunt) and makes a few good points, but ultimately sucks up to the K.u.K. a tad too much (the author is thankfully decent enough to recognize Conrad as a turd).

pic related is an excellent book for understanding how Europe's punching bag made it to 1914, though.

Not to be a bummer Sweden but it wasn't called the Grosse Schwarz K.u.K.