Would you rather be an upper class Roman around 17 AD, or a middle class American around 2017 AD?

Upper class Roman.
Better a short life as a lord than a long life as a pleb.

>b-but muh Vidya
>muh internet
Front row seats at the Colosseum, your argument is invalid.

*messily eats a handful of figs from a silver bowl*

>more advanced philosophy

half your lifespan for advanced philosophy kek

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>half your lifespan
Stop this meme now. Living above 100 years old was perfectly possible, if you didn't die as a baby (or at war).

Zoz, turn that into "the virgin 4channer / the Reddit Chad" for maximum cringe over here

Access to Classical Greek texts. Even today, they represent an absolute high point in theology, ethics, politics, etc. I can only imagine what we lost, I would gladly return to a period where they are not only preserved but also reign supreme in practice as well as in truth.

Bzzt, wrong, people who survived to adulthood could live to advanced age.

Roman because less genetic and estrogenic damage.

But were they important in the sense that having them would be more of an advantage than having access to the philosophy produced between 17AD and today?
>Even today, they represent an absolute high point in theology, ethics, politics, etc.
Hmm... I'm not convinced they do. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have access to the lost stuff. But are those texts really the high point in those fields?

>Would you rather be an upper class Roman around 17 AD, or a middle class American around 2017 AD?

Depends on whether or not you value your soul.

"Thus sayeth God: The Emperor is always wrong." - Anonymous Genocidal Burning Bush (~600 BC)

This planet is full of dead and damned men walking.

youtube.com/watch?v=9QageVk0vAQ

>Front row seats at the Colosseum, your argument is invalid.
The flavian amphitheater wouldn't be built for another 60 years.

>the ancient Egyptians invented metric
WE

I think I'd just kill myself, to be honest.

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Ya this.
>American culture

>more advanced philosophy
Stoicism isn't 'advanced', or even philosophy. It's trash.
>medicuck delusion
You're probably a cumskin, too, you LARPing little cunt.

they focused on living their lives according to virtue, something that most people lack today. how many people do you know that follow a foundational set of principles, that of which from where everything else in their life is built upon?

philosophy is trash? i've got news for you. Everything in civilized existence is run by some sort of philosophy.

>civilized
Idiot
Learn to read, by the way, you stupid romaboo.

Middle class American in 2017.

Gib guns nao? :3

>would you rather live out a boring existence in an evil empire 2000 years ago or live out a boring existence in an evil empire right now?
Yawn. What a gay question. Here's a better one
Would you rather:
>be minor provincial aristocracy somewhere in the shitholes of the Western Empire (Britannia, Northern Gaul, Germania Inferior, Asturias y Cantabria) during the twilight years of the Empire as it's overrun with bandits, raiders and invading armies?
or
>weather the storm of the coming Plastic-Age Collapse (doesn't have to be an apocalyptic scenario, more of a Bronze-Age Collapse kinda thing)

>17 AD

And live to see Nero burn down half the city with probably my house too? Fuck that.

>being an American

Why the fuck would I want to be that? I'm very happy and proud of being European.

True. I goofed. Why do you think Stoicism is trash?

Source on the picture on the right?

It's almost comedically vapid. It's a cult of weakness and passivity.

What is your solution to achieving tranquility then?

>tranquility
>good
Nihilist.

I've been a nihilist most of my life. Brought everything but tranquility.

Nobody mentioned stoicism except you, and even so your opinion of stoicism might change if you had access to earlier writers like Chrysippus. You'd also be free to take up other philosophical views and contest with the Stoics if you were still unconvinced.

Honestly, as a Roman Noble I hardly have time for this sort of clown tier bait.

I would rather be a caveman than be american.

>implying they don't

>I would rather be from Alabama than an American
Why tho

Middle class American, how is this even a question?

It would rather depend on *which* upper class Roman.

Actually if I absolutely had to be an American I would choose some empty shithole state like Alabama or Utah. If I have to be american I want to deal with the fewest amount of americans. The land itself is pretty cute.

Both of those are pretty well populated for their size tho. You want like North Dakota, Montana, or Nebraska
I don't think you realize quite how crowded it is the closer to the east coast you are

Upper, status is relative to others

You're deluding yourself worse, then.
Stop stroking yourself you scrotum-faced little shit.
>and even so your opinion of stoicism might change if you had access to earlier writers like Chrysippus
No, stoicism is a cult of weakness, why do you think a population of pathetic pagans adored it so?

Oh dear a christcuck. The abrahamism is terminal, I'm so sorry.

XDDD LE SO FUNNY
Go fuck a sheep, cumskin neopagan.

>Not believing in the desert Jew adventures volumes 1 and 2 means you're pathetic.

You had to dodge a lot more bullets for that to happen though. Wouldn't be surprised if a 90 year old roman was the equivalent of a 110 year old today.

Also, kidney stones, dental problems, and diseases that are easily treated now would have made life complete misery then even though they weren't fatal.

HAHA IF I REDUCE SOMEHTING TO SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LE DUMB THEM IM LE RIGHT XDDDs

You've done that twice in a row now. Do you really think you're any better? But go on, tell me all about how the generations that turned a city state into an empire are categorically pathetic.

No one forces you to live in Rome though.

>you can also choose Pompeii, I heard it's nice

>Alabama
>empty
user if you're looking for empty states, don't go to any of the deep southern ones. They all are pretty average for population density. The great plains states are far better of a choice for you.

Or you could go to Alaska and not only be alone, but also get government welfare just for living in fucking Alaska.

>empire
>mattering
Humanists, everybody.

How do define pathetic then? I don't think it matters, but I wouldn't call a population that makes one "pathetic".

Pathetic, as in so misguided that one 'feels for them' so to say.

He's not interested in producing anything of value or explaining himself. Leave him to his hebrew mythology, hopefully he'll mature out of it one day.

XDDD IM SO LE GROWN UP XDDDD ITS JUST LE MYTHOLOGY BECUZ MOMMY MADE ME GO TO CHURCH XDDDDDDD WE WUZ ROW-MANS N SHIEEET

Middle class.

I've always been an poverty class American. I'd figure a middle class American would be much more of an upgrade than going for upper class Roman.

Ah, understandable. But I would view a society that neglects such innovations of public hygiene as the Roman's atrained as pathetic then. Mind, nothing against Byzantines on that particular note, they kept it up a good while.

*attained

>innovations
You are absolutely pathetic

>dude nothing matters lmao
>ur pathetic
Why does an empire not matter whilst avoiding patheticness does matter?

The fuck ever happened to cleanliness being next to godliness? Or do you not shower?

In what way is stoicism passive and weak?

>nothing matters
Never said that, redditor.
That's not the issue, the issue is thinking technology is at all relevant. That is what makes you pathetic.

You made it the issue you cuntnugget. I was talking about hygiene. Plumbing helps hygiene. Or are you gonna call pipes pagan?

Your love of them is pagan.

The means and the ends you can attain with them are intrinsically bound together. Neither exists in a void. As I appreciate good hygiene, I appreciate infrastructure to enable it, regardless of spiritual or moral questions that I disagree with. If that's pathetic, crawl back into your unwashed deer pelt blanket and duck off.

>he doesn't have a deer pelt blanket

A middle class American probably has 100x what a upper class Roman had. We eat better than most of the anterior kings.

Maybe you do

I 'm torn, the middle and even lower class in any developed country probably has a better lifestyle than any aristocrat in any pre-modern period.

On the other hand there is such a thing as pride and the entire world is laughing at the USA at the moment.

For little reason

>Be Patrician
>Live in a very big Villa
>You do not have to work becayse your slaves do it for you
>You do not have to clean your house because your slaves do it for you
>You do not have to pay dinner to fuck because you have sex slaves
>You do not need to pay an escort to fuck a 10/10 because Esmerlda your Germanic sex slave is always willing to have sex with you
>Your children doesn't pester you because you can put them to death anytime you wish
>Your woman does not pester you because you can put her to death anytime you wish
>No roasties nor coalburners in your gens because you honor-killed them all
>Worship your ancestors as well as your own household gods

>Be wageslave aka middle class American
>Live in a shitty flat
>You must indebt yourself to pay your shitty degree
>You must work more than 300 days per year like a slave
>You must also clean your house by yoursef like a slave
>You must pay expensive clothes, dinner, and so on to fuck a woman
>You must pay a costy escort to fuck a 10/10 for one hour
>Your children behave like your boss and can put you into jail if you dare to beat them
>Your women behave like your boss and can put you into jail if you dare to beat her
>Your daughter will fuck niggers and have a loose vagina at 20
>Worship a kike on a stick or some other kind of semitic gods

Civis romanus sum

>no internet
>Emperor Tiberius
>shit in the streets

American

t. Letzter Mensch

Being middle class would almost triple my quality of life so that.
You should've fucking said if I'd rather be an upper class Roman or an American who has to work 60 hours a week to barely have enough for a shitty car and a shitty apartment and zero free time.

Patrician taste

Being this much of a beta cuck who needs life handed to him on a silver platter

> Indeed this tyrant himself gave his judgment as to how fortunate he was. For when one of his flatterers, Damocles, mentioned in conversation the wealth of Dionysius, the majesty of his rule, the abundance of his possessions, the magnificence of the royal palace and denied that there had ever been anyone more fortunate, he said, "So, Damocles, since this life delights you, do you wish to taste it yourself and make trial of my fortune?"

>When Damocles said that he desired this, Dionysius gave orders that the man be placed on a golden couch covered with a most beautiful woven rug, embroidered with splendid works; he adorned many sideboards with chased silver and gold; then he gave orders that chosen boys of outstanding beauty should stand by his table and that they, watching for a sign from Damocles, should attentively wait on him; there were unguents and garlands; perfumes were burning; tables were piled up with the most select foods. Damocles seemed to himself fortunate.

>In the middle of this luxury Dionysius ordered that a shining sword, fastened from the ceiling by a horse-hair, be let down so that it hung over the neck of that fortunate man. And so he looked neither at those handsome waiters nor the wonderful silver work, nor did he stretch his hand to the table. Now the very wreaths slipped off. Finally he begged the tyrant that he should be allowed to depart because he no longer wanted to be fortunate.

livius.org/sources/content/cicero/tusculan-deputations/damocles/?

The irony is that any Roman Stoic would have seen a western middle class existence as a true ideal for a simple, virtuous living.