Maus and E-100

I want to see Veeky Forums's opinions on the two German super heavy tank projects in World War 2: the Maus and the E-100. What went wrong? If they had succeeded, would it have turned the tide of the war? If not, what effects would it have? Any other bat-shit crazy tanks you can think of, other than the Landkruezer?

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>would they have turned the side of the war
they would have made Allied victory in Europe even quicker with another stupid German project wasting resources

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It wouldn't have changed anything significantly. The thing is, those super-tanks would have been slow and vulnerable to attack from the air and to heavy artillery - and the Allies had lots and lots of aircraft and heavy artillery.

>If they had succeeded, would it have turned the tide of the war?
Yes Germany would have collapsed faster.

>If they had succeeded, would it have turned the tide of the war? If not, what effects would it have?
If lucky it would result with real life event what could be compared to finale of Girls Und Panzer. If allied tanks could reach any super heavy tank before airforce or artilerry destroyed those.

>U.S Army briefing
>Men, the Germans have become batshit retarded
>They have produced slow moving, huge tanks that seem to be the size of a house
>Everyone laughs their asses off
>I want our planes to bomb the shit out of them, shouldn't be too hard, you don't need bomber training for this one.

>Maus and E-100
Pssh that shits for fags and sissies
Try out the P.1000 ratte
>1000 tons

Was it autism?

Most likely the case

*sinks into ground*

These projects were never completed because people realised that they were a waste of money.

A Maus was made and the other one was halfway through being finished tho. You're underestimating German autism.

They were also never completed because of the Allies incessantly bombed the factories producing the tanks

>What went wrong?
Hitler intervened in things he didn't know shit about too much. A lot of these retarded decisions and projects are really mainly Hitler's fault. I can go into detail if you want.
>If they had succeeded, would it have turned the tide of the war?
No, absolutely not.
>Any other bat-shit crazy tanks you can think of, other than the Landkruezer?#
The Soviets had some super-heavy projects, as well.

"It doesn't need to turn! It'll drive itself straight to Berlin!"

That thing's a spoof. The KV 6 never actually existed.

>never actually existed.
Just like the E-Series, Landkreuzer and other projects being discussed in this thread (except for the Maus prototypes).

Soviets had fucking resources to waste, to do even retarded shit. Germans didn't, they couldn't even properly supply their army after 2 weeks in Poland. After 2 weeks already low on oil.

>Soviets had fucking resources to waste
No they didn't.

No, it wasn't an actual Soviet prototype or plan. The thing was made up by a wargame model maker in the 90s. It never actually existed.

tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/KV_VI_Fake_Tanks.php

Didn't know that, thanks for pointing it out. The Soviets did have some retarded heavies, though, like the T-28 and T-35.

>implying aircraft was even close to an effective way of destroying tanks.

You're right on the fact that Aircraft destroying tanks wasn't really easy, RP-3 rockets had a sub 10% hit rate I believe. Just felt like showing more of how huge of a target it would be.

There were some WW2 aircraft suitable and successful in that role.

>Ju 87 G
>Il-2
>Typhoon
>Hs 129

At least you can't blame them for a lack of enthusiasm

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle#Development_of_the_turbojet_engine

So this is the power of communism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiltrotor#History

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If only the Germans could have held out for 5 more years, we would have actual film footage massive supertanks fighting alongside rail-based supercannons

Watch the sky, fascists

Made by nato in 1970.... Did you think this was Nazi tech or something?

The Nazis never invented anything. Everything people think they invented had already existed before the 1930s. However, due WW1 there was a ban on new technology for military purposes. That's why none of it went into the military before the war, but big surprise: someone decided not to follow the treaty and used new technology that had already existed.

>gee Ivan, 4 planes

That is a 100% fake. There were never any plans to make something so stupid. It was made by some model build recently.

The real plans for a tank designated KV-6 were for a flamethrower KV-1

>Did you think this was Nazi tech or something?
Nah, just thought I'd post it because it's interesting. Also it wasn't made by Nato but by West Germany.

>The Nazis never invented anything.
Their technological achievements are often overstated, but that statement is wrong.
Their (German, not necessarily Nazi) scientists invented among others:
>the first guided bombs (Hs 193, Fritz X)
>the first cruise missile (Fi 103)
>the first ICBM (A4)
>the first guided surface-to-air missiles (including Rheintochter, Wasserfall and more)
>the first guided air-to-air missile (Ruhrstahl X-4)
>the first modern submarines which could actually operate submerged for an extended duration (Type XXI 'Elektroboot')
>the first assault rifles (StG 44, StG 45)
>Night (Infrared) vision devices (Sperber FG 1250, Vampir device)

>>the first ICBM (A4)
*rather 'BM' - ballistic missile, it didn't have such a range that it could be called 'intercontinental', sorry for the mistake.

Wasn't night vision made by a Hungarian and used by the British on AA guns?

Wikipedia contradicts itself, here:
>In 1929, Hungarian physicist Kálmán Tihanyi invented the infrared-sensitive (night vision) electronic television camera for anti-aircraft defense in the UK.[4]

>The first military night vision devices were introduced by the German Army as early as 1939, and were used in World War II.

I guess the Hungarian developed it first but in Germany it actually saw service, can't guarantee that though.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision_device#Generation_0

>guided bombs
The allies were the first to develop radar, and were the first to start testing such bombs during the war. The problem was it was only the US testing them and kept it a big secret. They did eventually field the Azon bomb, though.

What you're calling "guided missiles" are all variations on that same idea: a bomb or rocket with a radio remote control.

First modern subramine? It's just a uboat with a diesel-electric motor so it can stay underwater longer. This isn't some huge technological leap.

The assault rifle one is iffy. It was certainly the first to be deployed to that role and developed under the name "assault rifle" however, several countries experimented with automatic or select fire rifles, some with intermediate calibers. Only the BAR lasted and was too large to be considered an assault rifle.

As for night vision, this is another case of someone inventing a technology and it being denied use in the military

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision_device#Generation_0

I also forgot to mention that all of the work on the Russian rockets was due to Goddard. Von Braun openly stated this multiple times.

The Nazis were not super geniuses like movies make them out to be.

>were the first to start testing such bombs during the war.
You said they kept it a secret, and their counter-intelligence was good. Therefore the Germans invented it on their own.
>all variations on that same idea
So it doesn't count as their achievement?
>This isn't some huge technological leap.
No one did it before them, though, and it was an important step in submarine technology.
>due to Goddard
So the development of the Aggregat rocket family and the Saturn program was a cakewalk because Goddard pioneered rocket propulsion?

I agree that maybe the principles on what these projects were based weren't invented during the Nazi reign, but it sounds like you're trying to understate the work of German scientists during that time.

>and the Saturn program
didn't mean to imply the Saturn program was a German achievement, ofc.

>radio guided rockets

>not trying to make entire radio guided bombers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aphrodite

> 156mm cannon
> 44mm cannon
> 12mm autocannon

It hurts to read

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They were also pretty advanced in transonic phenomena

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_rule#History
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swept_wing#Development

P.S. Also, keep in mind that German heavy tanks broke down a lot. The Tiger 2 was an almost M1 Abrams-weight tank built with 1940s tech and by a nation that was having more and more difficulties getting quality materials because of war shortages.
The Maus and E-100 would probably have spent 10 times as much time broken down as operational.