Tibetan thread

Literally chinese propaganda

>How accurate are all these claims?
Very accurate. There's an edition of Life from the 50's about Tibet and it has photography of a public whipping of a man as punishment.

>Was Tibet really better or worse off than any rural areas of China during the warlord period?
That's relative, but overall it wasn't very different. The chinese skinned people alive up until the XIX century as a punishment for some crimes.

> with the Dalai Lama as absolute monarch

This is nonsense. The position of the Dalai Lama had virtually no political power for the majority of iterations.

Yes there was brutality, enacted against peasants, different wealthy clans, and between religious institutions.

On the flip side, there was upward mobility independent of bloodlines or wealth, as most families, no matter how poor or unimportant, tended to have members studying at elite monastic colleges.

Secondly, there was a traditional right to land and resources for the peasants. They typically had to work only a fraction of the year to survive and had plenty of leisure time for religious or other activities throughout the year, including long pilgrimages. These were among the things they were 'liberated' from thanks to the Chinese.

I honestly believe that Tibet and Tibetans would be much better off if China had never invaded. The Dalai Lama had started gaining political power, in fact in the few years leading up to the Chinese invasion he had likely gained more political power than the previous 9 Dalai Lamas.

This Dalai Lama was very interested in opening to the West, interested in science, Western philosophy and forms of government. Furthermore, considering the geopolitics of the area, it is highly likely the USA would have helped modernize to create an anti-Chinese buffer.

The Dalai Lama admits there were problems in hindsight, but considering the traditional sequestering of the Dalai Lama from the public, and the slow trickle of information, it is extremely unlikely he knew much of what was occurring as it was occurring outside the palace for the vast majority of his tenure (again where he had little power until near the very end).

t. Richard Gere

>Unironically justifying China putting down separatists

Thanks gueilo

>Han Chinese follow Tibetan Buddhism
>Han Chinese follow nomadic culture
>Han Chinese speak Tibetan language
>Han Chinese worship Dalai lama
kek

Propaganda.

Dalai Lama never had absolute monarch, they were always kept in check by Panchen(spelling?) Lama (second highest). The same one that the Chinese have "disappeared" as a child and replaced it with another.

Tibet was a theocratic state with the power going to the monks. Each family had a monk in the governing body. Instead of mandatory conscription that most other countries have, Tibet had a mandatory monkhood system per family. They could have more than one per family if they wanted, as it was seen as a spiritual aspiration rather than a slavery/mandatory. Since the monasteries were the prime social setting for higher learning this was a goal for the Tibetans. I don't know much about sustenance farming as Tibet is literally on a plateau where growing crops is virtually impossible. They instead rely on trade and nomadic pasturing, aka trading salts (big time) and yak products. Most of Tibet was like that.

you dont trolling?

t. Brad Pitt

>This Dalai Lama was very interested in opening to the West, interested in science, Western philosophy and forms of government. Furthermore, considering the geopolitics of the area, it is highly likely the USA would have helped modernize to create an anti-Chinese buffer.

Heinrich Harrer probably had a good deal to do with that, given he tutored the Dalai Llama as a boy.

Yeah we get it everything in east asia comes from chink, yadayada Han chinks are so great
Guess what nobody cares, when people make a thread about Japan, Korea, or Vietnam, they want to talk about Japan, Korea, or Vietnam, or in this case Tibet, not chinks, you don't see Greeks autistically barging in every Roman threads do you?
Fuck off

They don't have to. Romaboos felate Greece for them.

I'm just sitting here with my dick out because Mr. Tibetan won't answer my questions. Feels bad man.

youtube.com/watch?v=KOEXkaow0ko

T. Tenzing Sherpa

boon

With some Autistic exceptions, we are far too tired by life to give a fuck...

>Mandatory monkhood system per family.

I'd never really thought of it this way before, but this makes perfect sense as a form of population control in a harsh climate where it's undesirable to have too many young children in the population. I mean, you can already tell it was a concern by the brother marriage custom. More humane than leaving extra babies to die of cold as the Inuit did anyway.

“Monks, there are these four modes of practice. Which four? Painful practice with slow intuition, painful practice with quick intuition, pleasant practice with slow intuition, & pleasant practice with quick intuition.

“And which is painful practice with slow intuition? There is the case where a monk remains focused on unattractiveness with regard to the body, percipient of loathsomeness with regard to food, percipient of non-delight with regard to the entire world, (and) focused on inconstancy with regard to all fabrications. The perception of death is well established within him. He dwells in dependence on the five strengths of a learner—strength of conviction, strength of conscience, strength of concern, strength of persistence, & strength of discernment—but these five faculties of his—the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, the faculty of discernment—appear weakly. Because of their weakness, he attains only slowly the immediacy that leads to the ending of the effluents. This is called painful practice with slow intuition.

“And which is painful practice with quick intuition? There is the case where a monk remains focused on unattractiveness with regard to the body, percipient of loathsomeness with regard to food, percipient of non-delight with regard to the entire world, (and) focused on inconstancy with regard to all fabrications. The perception of death is well established within him. He dwells in dependence on these five strengths of a learner—strength of conviction, strength of conscience, strength of concern, strength of persistence, & strength of discernment—and these five faculties of his—the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, the faculty of discernment—appear intensely. Because of their intensity, he attains quickly the immediacy that leads to the ending of the effluents. This is called painful practice with quick intuition.

“And which is pleasant practice with slow intuition? There is the case where a monk—quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful qualities—enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. With the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters & remains in the second jhana: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance. With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhana, of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.’ With the abandoning of pleasure & pain—as with the earlier disappearance of joy & distress—he enters & remains in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain. He dwells in dependence on these five strengths of a learner—strength of conviction, strength of conscience, strength of concern, strength of persistence, & strength of discernment—but these five faculties of his—the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, the faculty of discernment—appear weakly. Because of their weakness, he attains only slowly the immediacy that leads to the ending of the effluents. This is called pleasant practice with slow intuition.

“And which is pleasant practice with quick intuition? There is the case where a monk—quite secluded from sensuality, secluded from unskillful qualities—enters & remains in the first jhana: rapture & pleasure born of seclusion, accompanied by directed thought & evaluation. With the stilling of directed thoughts & evaluations, he enters & remains in the second jhana: rapture & pleasure born of concentration, unification of awareness free from directed thought & evaluation—internal assurance. With the fading of rapture he remains equanimous, mindful, & alert, and senses pleasure with the body. He enters & remains in the third jhana, of which the noble ones declare, ‘Equanimous & mindful, he has a pleasant abiding.’ With the abandoning of pleasure & pain—as with the earlier disappearance of joy & distress—he enters & remains in the fourth jhana: purity of equanimity & mindfulness, neither pleasure nor pain. He dwells in dependence on these five strengths of a learner—strength of conviction, strength of conscience, strength of concern, strength of persistence, & strength of discernment—and these five faculties of his—the faculty of conviction, the faculty of persistence, the faculty of mindfulness, the faculty of concentration, the faculty of discernment—appear intensely. Because of their intensity, he attains quickly the immediacy that leads to the ending of the effluents. This is called pleasant practice with quick intuition.

“These are the four modes of practice.”