Are there any parts of Irish history that Irish people are particularly proud of other than the War of Independence-era...

Are there any parts of Irish history that Irish people are particularly proud of other than the War of Independence-era stuff?

It's not taught at a state level to such a degree, maybe a bit of the Nine Years War in primary school or something. Which is a shame because pre-17th century Ireland has the most interesting shit by far but it's all sacrificed so people can be taught "more relevant" contemporary history.

The service of Irish men in both world wars. There is nothing to be proud of in the war of independence.

away with you

The famine

Cuck and/or perfidious Albion

This and 1798

The Irish had absolutely no reason whatsoever to involve themselves in World War 1 or World War 2. No reason whatsoever.
They had plenty of reasons to rebel, however.

The funniest thing is that Collins himself wanted good relations; the WOI wasn't about "KILL THE BRITS!!!!" it was about "let us rule ourselves because you useless fags can't rule us for shit"

The even funnier thing was that were it not for the sheer autism of the anglo, the rebellion likely would have failed.

The arguably funniest thing is that the anglo set up the bizarre and mostly arbitrary partition (granting huge swathes of mostly irish-catholic land to "Northern Ireland" because if it had any LESS clay it'd be simply to big a joke) in order to STOP the pro-british protestants from chimping out, at which point the pro-british loyalists chimped out because there were irish catholics in their new-and-definitely-real-and-legitimate memecountry and caused further armed conflict.

The story to learn from Anglos is that they can conquer massive untamed lands but when it comes to ruling their competence barely reaches beyond their own shores.

The Irish people were sold a lie by de valera, he promised Ireland freedom and prosperity under its own governance and initiative, instead he proceeded to beggar the country by engaging the largest trading power on earth in a trade war, and handed the country over to the catholic church, regressing the country into a dark age. And I haven't even mentioned the Lunacy of the civil war, madness, madness and stupidity, that's what we "won" from the British.

Yeah yeah go to England if you like it so much

The aftermath of the WOI was unfortunate, but again it is a case of the wrong man being put in charge.

Valera did a good job of legitimising Ireland during WW2, but to be fair now the work done on the economy from 1970 onwards was great-the Celtic Tiger was fucking great and it took a global financial crisis to fuck it.

Now things are getting back on track again. From a country born essentially out of nothing, things could have gone a lot worse.

Alright, actually, I can agree.
I agree with what was PROMISED in 1916, but not what De Valera achieved.
Ireland for the Irish was a lie, a horrible lie that Tone, Emmet and Pearse would be ashamed to see was such.
The Civil War is one of the messiest clusterfucks of the 20th century as well.

Regardless, killing black and tans is inherently justified. The English were entirely in the wrong throughout Ireland's history and deserved expulsion. The fact it wasn't under an ideal system like Tone suggested is just unfortunate.

We were never going to be particularly competitive as an autonomous state amidst capitalist countries and markets, at least the bloc we're in today isn't British though.

the work done on the economy from 1970 onwards was great-the Celtic Tiger was fucking great and it took a global financial crisis to fuck it.

wew fucking lad

*crosses arms and nods wisely in agreement*


without the EU we would literally be sent back to the stone age, people done realize the irish arent like other European countries, we’re more or less helpless on our own, we’re not suited or, lets be honest, capable of interacting with other nations, if we tried to make free trade deals like the British are doing, they’d only laugh at us and take advantage. we have to remember that there is no irish economy, only the irish share of the EU economy, without the EU our govenment would be inept and helpless, we would suffer mass homelessness, low wages, our health service would be crippled & our education system strtched to the brink. The EU ensures all of these disasters can NEVER happen. The only reason we should entertain an irexit debate is so we can identify the leavers and make sure they are expelled from their jobs and society at large as the racist bigots they are.

The Battle of Clontarf and the Irish-Viking wars in general are pretty neat

Yeah but it led to centuries of backstabbing each other to be number 1 lapdog

>history is full of interesting and unique customs and culture, being renowned across the known world for great achievements in theology, history and literature, as well as a respectable martial tradition, organising dogged resistance against two technologically superior groups of invaders and even managing to beat the first one, and assimilate the second one into your culture
>start teaching history in schools from the point this all ends and you become irrelevant backwater European nation #27
>twist your history into this bizarre national narrative of eternal self-victimisation, ignoring all your past achievements and focusing only on embarrassing failures

What did the Irish education system mean by this?

Never heard of a chimp out or terror attack in Ireland recently, so I'd say they're doing ok.

60k GDP puts them in the middle of US states. It's not Sweden/Massachusetts/Luxumburg but it's not Kentucky either.

The UK is poorer than any US State. Poorer than Louisiana. If you go there you will laugh your ass off.

>Never heard of a chimp out or terror attack in Ireland recently, so I'd say they're doing ok.

Terrorist attacks were still fairly common in Ireland as far as 2010.

The golden age from converting to Christianity until the vikings came was pretty nice.

We saw the Jews do it and said monkey see monkey do

But it was rad.

People greatly misunderstand Ireland. They see the "Irish" and wonder "why not just work together???"

The reality of the situation is far different.
If you took many of the bickering Germanic tribes, put them all on an island and removed pretty much all external threats to a point where there was no huge foreign power that had access to you by sea, you wouldn't be confused by infighting there, would you?

People being of the same-ish culture or whatever doesn't make them the same; other than anglos and vikings, the Irish never had a big weird foreign big bad. When the Anglos and the Vikings DID come, those were the times the Irish came closest to "banding together" as a "nation" to fight them off.

It's a fascinating little island but people make the vital mistake of assuming that just because people are of a similar genetic makeup/culture that they are inclined to band together. Ireland was always a cutthroat island power wise, and the Irish-Viking wars WERE super hype.

>The only reason we should entertain an irexit debate is so we can identify the leavers and make sure they are expelled from their jobs and society at large as the racist bigots they are.

>do a vote
>gas the exiters

Go on user, I like where this is going.

Then we should have been REALLY independent.

The problems you are describing are not those of TOO MUCH independence.

>The service of Irish men in both world wars
Definitely worth remembering them aye, none of them were conscripted (IIRC) and made their own choice as to fight for a cause for their own reasons
>There is nothing to be proud of in the war of independence.
Not entirely true, but I would agree it was romanticised.

>The Irish had absolutely no reason whatsoever to involve themselves in World War 1 or World War 2. No reason whatsoever.
Thats just untrue. Many of the catholics of the country were shocked by some of the shit Geramny did in WW1 and thats before the leaders at the time urged Irish to fight

is that Irish saved civilisation book meme tier or worth reading?

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The neolithic shit is cool too like the Hill of Tara and Newgrange
Our folkore and legends/myths are interesting too

In WW1 Germany weren't doing anything in Europe that the Brits/French/Spanish/Etc all hadn't done all over the world, lad. None of this "muh poor natives" I'm just saying that in WW1, there simply wasn't a "moral" case against Germany that couldn't also be applied to the people fighting them.

It's neither. It makes a semi-interesting point which can more accurately be summed up as "Ireland were good because they kept records of shit in case things went very very bad on the continent"

Oh no it's terrible, stay well away from it. It has mostly correct information but presents it in such an obtuse and bombastic way that it gets in the way of the actual history.

>900 years of Irish civilization between their proudest moments

Oh boy

>compares Cú Chulainn's chariot to the bat mobile

>there simply wasn't a "moral" case against Germany that couldn't also be applied to the people fighting them.
Ah, fair enough mate, I dont disagree there.
Its worth mentioning though that pre-1916 was a different time than after the Rising in terms of what the population wanted. Many of the southern Irish went over to the front to protect Home Rule while the northerners went over to fight in protest of it.

Oh sure, it's common knowledge that were it not for Britain's reaction to the Rising itself there may not have been enough appetite for independence to allow the war to have happened.

I think one thing which can be agreed on is that the planters in the North are the biggest liability to progress and sensibility in the isles.

Forgot to mention the poets and writers from the past few centuries too. They're really remembered here too

>The only reason we should entertain an irexit debate is so we can identify the leavers and make sure they are expelled from their jobs and society at large as the racist bigots they are.

being a victim is like a drug, you have to keep being the victim to take away the pain of being a victim