Veeky Forums, why do people keep lying about how important money is ?

this is bait right
nobody on Veeky Forums actually believes in god

thats for normies who need a sense of purpose in life because they cant handle the harsh reality that everything is finite and we all will be nothing someday

Not just them, I've actually met quite a few other men who are struggling with money and they also tell me that it's not crucial.

These are guys who pay rent, guys who still live with a parent (the majority of them have divorced
parents).

Yet, they keep telling me about how they're 'working their way up' for a better future.

They obviously know you/everybody need(s) money for a better future, but they never admit it.

Believing in a god is actually the optimal strategy in terms of risk/reward. It doesn't even matter whether or not a god really does exist, because the placebo effect is real. There are real psychological benefits to believing that there is an all powerful being helping you along the way. And there is literally no downside.

No, I beliieve in god.
As far as I can tell there are two options.

Option 1) there is a god
Option 2) there is no god

If it's option 1 and you die, good for you. You're in heaven.
If it's option 2 and you die, good for you. It doesn't fucking matter.

You need to be a real retard to not choose option 1.

Yes. Girls needs to be rich, not a work in progress. Girls need money for status and confidence to attract men.

You are diagnosed with chronic virginity I'm afraid, no amount of money will solve that.

You must be a kid living in mommy's basement because no adult lies about how important money is because it's so obvious like the Air we breathe.

I don't believe in the God, but I do believe in something bigger and greater than us. And like said, it's a win-win. Now if you put everything in the hands of god, then you're a real retard.

>why do people keep lying about how important money is?
Because it helps them cope with the fact they are poor.

>You are diagnosed with chronic virginity I'm afraid, no amount of money will solve that.

I'm not a virgin and I did spend a lot of time with girls.

I found out the hard way that they only want financially secure men.

I overheard them talking about how I'm just good for fucking.

They said that would never get serious with me just because I'm still taking courses before I go to College and don't have my own place/apartment.

Trust me I'm not a kid, I actually help my parents pay the bills because I still live with them and still taking courses before I go to College.

t.l d.r: I'm trying to finish a few courses before College, I help pay the bills and pic related.

>people with a lot of money say moneys not important obviously
As someone with a lot of money, this is 100% false. People with money are just as capable of understanding how important it is, and how much better our lives are because we have it.

If someone with money TELLS you that money isn't important, it's because they're being polite to you, a poorfag. It's rude to brag or make others feel bad. Of course we're going to give you some sing-song line about money not being important in order to avoid an awkward scenario where I'm basically telling you to your face that your life is bad.

tl;dr rich people lie to avoid making poorfags feel bad/worse

It's proven that having wealth above upper-middle class doesn't make you happier.

Except you don't get the benefits if you're aware that you're pretending to believe.

Not to be rude or anything, but where's your proof ?

Placebo can work even if you know it's placebo.

health.harvard.edu/blog/placebo-can-work-even-know-placebo-201607079926

because poeple are hypocritical dumb fucks, they just want to make themselves look like they are better than everyone else,
they will tell you money doesn't bring happiness, and "fuck money" but yet those are the same people who wageslave 8-10 hours of their lives every fucking day,
honestly, how can you say money is not important when you spend this much time trying to acquire it (money = time), and when they lose it it's always:
>money is just a piece of paper, you can always make more bro!
yea, guess what motherfucker, you won't get yoyr time back
all their actions throughout the day are directily or not connected with money,
If somehow magically everyone could be rich 99% of all problems would be gone

horseshit.

I'm not rich but I would believe this, whenever some of my problems in life are gone, some other come up or the small ones seem a lot bigger, never ending circle

sure buys the path to happiness though

Same. I focus everything on amassing more btc

>whenever some of my problems in life are gone, some other come up or the small ones seem a lot bigger, never ending circle
That's because you're young and stupid. When you get older and wiser, you learn how to handle your shit. Money helps -- a lot -- in that regard.

that's why tons of rich people are addicted to white collar prescriptions and have terrible family lives right?

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more poor people on drugs than rich people. don't kid yourself, here.

Fuck all that shit, im gonna be the richest man ina babylon. Support a real one with some BTC or your favorite shitcoin will tank:

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If women don't like you, the problem is not power and money. You're the problem.

>only after the last tree is cut
>and the last river poisoned
>only after the last fish is caught
>will you find that money cannot be eaten

>that's why tons of rich people are addicted to white collar prescriptions and have terrible family lives right?
Was this an attempt at logic? It kinda sounds like it, but it's so cringe that I'm not really sure.

Wanna try again?

sent $500k m8

>>only after the last tree is cut
No worries, with all my money I bought the wood....
>>and the last river poisoned
and acquired the water rights ...
>>only after the last fish is caught
and stockpiled the food ...
>>will you find that money cannot be eaten
so, what was your point again?

Trees do a lot more than provide wood.
So you have rights to polluted water that can't sustain life and is not drinkable? ok.
Food is perishable.

Is Veeky Forums actually this dumb? Also it's a fucking metaphor, no one really thinks we're gonna cut down every tree on the planet bro.

>and the point went right over his head...

>Is Veeky Forums actually this dumb?
Well?

>trees do a lot more than provide wood

alright, man. I think you are off here on what it is exactly you are responding to. reread.

I just don't get the point. Yeah money doesn't matter when it's the end of the world. So what? It matters a lot up until that point.

There is proof that changing circumstances only temporarily affect your happiness, and that on average your body chemistry will eventually return to normal. E.g being rich will make you happy as you're still getting rich. After a while it's normal and no longer does anything for you

I do the same but with dgb

It always amazes me how people with seemingly such powerful cognitive ability get this so terribly wrong.

First, you need to draw a distinction between pleasure and happiness. Pleasure is very easy to explain in terms of neurochemistry. Our brain releases dopamine in anticipation of a desired outcome. Orgasm, heroin, and winning the lottery are among the most potent dopaminergic stimuli. But very few people would consider endless opiate orgies the key to a happy life. We clearly value more than raw pleasure. Not only that, but pleasure always reaches a point of habituation. Why does a porn addict need tranny midget porn to get off? Why does a meth addict constantly need to up the dose to feel anything? Why do you become less and less impressed by your crypto gains? Habituation.

So then what is happiness? Does it exist? Is it perhaps the absence of certain feelings? When you are "happy", you are unburdened by feelings of stress and anxiety. Why are there inconceivably wealthy people who remain unhappy? New problems always take the place of old. And why are there many people who live on a modest income who are joyous and full of energy? Happiness is a state of being, not a manifestation of external conditions.

So why does wealth make some people feel good? It allows for ascension to the top of the social dominance hierarchy. Those on the top are full of confidence; those on the bottom often stressed and aversive. Such is the biological nature of a species closely related to baboons. You have a wider selection of potential mates. Your interactions with these potential mates will release oxytocin, another feel good hormone.

Those of you who have made the relentless pursuit of wealth to be your life's purpose, will always be unfulfilled. Someone will always have more than you, and you will never feel you have enough. As soon as you arrive at the completion of one goal, your brain assigns a new one. These are inescapable neuroscientific facts. Hedonic treadmill

same. someone asked me my name the other day and I just told them my bitcoin address

I would also advise any skeptics to watch this Tedtalk, which cites relationships as being the most important thing to a person's well being. This is the longest running empirical study on happiness.

ted.com/talks/robert_waldinger_what_makes_a_good_life_lessons_from_the_longest_study_on_happiness

right. you gotta fulfill your creative side while also making abundant coin. I draw and paint.

and there is always something new. after that, travel the world. after that, open up your own store that pertains to your favorite hobby. after that, take up hiking, after that, learn a new language. I'm not saying you're never gonna get bored or depressed, but there are always fulfilling things out there to do and experience.

I mean there are endless things to get into and master.

>you need to draw a distinction between pleasure and happiness
You kind of touch on it, but there's a huge under-stated value on avoiding stress, complications, worries, and troubles. Money is very good at this. It's not a perfect correlation -- some people are fuckups no matter how rich they are -- but money goes a long way towards reducing the negatives of life.

The fact that my wealth allows me to never worry about having shelter, food, medical care, and all the small conveniences of life isn't something that gives me pleasure or happiness in the conventional sense. It's just a lot of shit I don't have to deal with, that others do. Stated another way: It's not so much the adding of positives to my life as it is the avoidance of negatives in my life.

>It allows for ascension to the top of the social dominance hierarchy.
And here you went off the rails. Not everything is about alphas and cucks. Most people with wealth aren't sociopaths who judge the poor.

Because most people can't have it, or dont know how to get it. Therefore they lie to themselves about its importance.

You are dead on btw. They do want to see ambition though, but only if you are already at a level of financial security.

Yes, but that's only true up to a specific level. Once the basic needs(shelter, food, health) are taken care of, the difference is not so great. You're not going to feel 50% more happy for taking that second or third vacation, as compared to just one.

Plus, more money comes usually at a price. At least if it's through means of employment. You'll have to take on more responsibility, put in more hours and deal with bigger problems. Meaning less time for family, friends and yourself. Unless the additional income vastly outweighs the cost it carries, you should really think hard whether more money will really make you more happy.

>You're not going to feel 50% more happy for taking that second or third vacation, as compared to just one.
Again, you're missing the point. It's not about taking two vacations or three -- that's the "happiness" or "pleasure" component and it does have a softcap. But avoiding the stresses of life is lot more than just accounting for a lifetime of your living basics (though that's more than most people will ever achieve). With more and more money, you can avoid more and more of the negatives of life. Something like retirement savings doesn't really cap out until the billions because there's not only the ability to increase your standard of living in retirement but also the ability to retire early.

>Unless the additional income vastly outweighs the cost it carries, you should really think hard whether more money will really make you more happy.
I know very few people who truly regret the sacrifices they made in their youth to have wealth in later years. This character type of the "regretful millionaire" tends to exist only in books and movies, which tend to be written by starving authors.

>They don't want a man who's a work in progress, you can't let her know you're struggling (financially).

>Most of us know that women won't date just any guy, he needs to have money and power.'

These are not true, the truth is if you just approach them and improve your game you can easily get 5 or 6 girls pregnant. They don't want that but they will literary fall for anything if you play your cards right.

There was never anything.

Not even now,

because there is only being.

Consciousness is all there is.

Anyone who tells you that money isnt important either has never had enough money to begin with or doesnt want you to have any.

Thing is, most people who are in a somewhat comfortable situation of not having to think about basic needs don't give the future as much weight as the present. Is it just the pleasure component? Maybe. But then again, what use is it to race for early retirement and let life pass by if you can get hit by the bus tomorrow? Especially since most people can't hope for early retirement anyway. And the majority of those who do can shave of what? 5 maybe10 years tops?

>regretful millionaires
I'm not talking about them, but about Joe "Doing okay" who makes 150k a year but decides to only work 80% (and thus leaving 30k on the table) to spend more time with his family and friends. I know more than just a few guys like that. Then again, this is Europe, so go figure

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>If women don't like you, the problem is not power and money. You're the problem.

>they will literary fall for anything if you play your cards right.

It's the "women want you for who you are, not what you have meme again.

Look, I'm not here to start a fight, I just want to give you two a few examples why the things you've said here just aren't true:

youtube.com/watch?v=8ORQJtxicrA

youtu.be/8j7H6WruSmY?t=157

youtu.be/ZS6--6jL5r8?t=2m43s

You'll find out in these three examples how big of a role money and status play in any man's attractiveness.

This gives a realistic interpretation of how today's women are.

>most people who are in a somewhat comfortable situation of not having to think about basic needs don't give the future as much weight as the present
I disagree. Having all of your present (and future) needs taken care of let's you focus on big picture goals, most of which tend to be forward-looking. Why do you think so much of wealthy philanthropy focuses on making the future world better, through technology, social and legal change, and long-term welfare projects?

In a sense, the wealthy are among the few that value the future because they can afford to mold it.

>Joe "Doing okay" who makes 150k a year
Joe "Doing okay" who makes 150k a year isn't wealthy and probably never will be. He'll be all right -- maybe comfortable -- but will never avoid the stresses of life unless he wins the lottery.