Marxism

Why was Marxism such a big deal? Sure, these days we know that it was mostly bullshit, but what made people take it serious back when it was new?

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Get a nation of poor people, tell them they've been robbed and that you will right the wrong and give them back power

otherwise I doubt the common person knew much of the philosophy, they just wanted safety and gibs

Because it was new. Faggots love new things.

Marx was the first, best description of how capitalism worked in the C19th.

And like he said, it's okay when profits are distributed, not when they're hoarded.

Every ideology is rooted in trauma. Look at Marx's upbringing. He was a minority amongst minorities. A jew turned lutheran in a catholic state. He had alot of social friction and resentment brewing from the way things were structured.

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Thats the start of his younghood sorry, with his father.

If you read him and have some basic historical knowledge you would notice but you must be one of those Americans who thinks the Nazis were Marxist socialist.

because there was no opportunity for poor people to live well, the economy especially in europe was tightly controlled by old rich families and they were happy with the situation stagnated. Do you really believe that most of these poor people understood a shit about Marxism? they were totally fed up working for nothing and dying for rich people's wars like WW1

>the economy especially in europe was tightly controlled by old rich families
>WW1
Am I missing something or are you time spans way off? You seem to have started on something like the Rothschilds and then ended well after them.

I am talking about the early 20th century period until 1917 revolution

He gave pretty brilliant solutions to the problems with the classical economics ltov.
He was a giant step in explaining economic cycles through capital accumulation. As a reference, the austrian economist Jevons was trying to explain economic cycles by studying sunspots decades later.
He gave a materialist and economicist theory of history in a time when the world was becoming materialist and economics focused.
He was a humanitarian speaking about the poor's conditions in a time when the average industrial worker worked over 14 hours per day and in some english cities didn't reach 30 years of age.
He was one of the enlightenment thinkers that carried enlightenment ideas to their ultimate consequences.
The unfalsifiable/pseudoscientific aspects of his theories, mixed with their apparent explanatory power and their humanitarian and revolutionary nature led to extreme fanaticism.

Although I think it's also random chance. Socialist/anarchist thought was extremely popular in intellectual circles before marx was a thing, and it was a matter of time until some society claiming to represent some brand of socialism/anarchism gained relevance. If that society called itself timmy-ist instead of marxist I doubt we would be talking about marx nearly as much today.

nazi was not socialist ??

Well, Marxism is bullshit, because it posits the wrong solution/cure/treatment to the resentment and rot that capitalism causes. Marx had some very good points on that front. Unchecked capitalism allows the concentration of wealth in few and fewer onwers. Plebs notice this, feel angry and stuck 'cause they are stuck, don't feel like the system benefits or even cares about them, and they get real salty.

I also sometimes wonder how many right-wingers realize that Marx (as many in his day) was a raging anti-semite.

Anyway, Marxists took the view of "we'll be equal utopia if we just kill all exploiters and class traitors, and btw, this dictatorship of the people stuff is kinda fun...might give it a go myself"

But still, the reason he's popular in some quarters is that he was right about some things. And still, MarxISM is pretty terrible.

Humans are sorta primed to like novelty, (you).

The fuck do you know about Marxism when you say "well now we know it's be lol xD"

Nothing have changed since back then, if anything, his teaching and analysis are more true than ever, but since you seem to be so well documented I won't bother you any longer.

The poor-rich divide is a contentious issue and various ideologies inevitably arise based on it. Marxism was quite competitive and its initial popularity amongst certain revolutionaries of the revolutions of 1848 in turn made it more visible and popular among other groups like the First International.

In 1871 the Paris Commune piqued curiosity around the world which Marx capitalized on. Over the next few years through the formation of the German Empire, political forms and the rise of the German Social Democratic Party his work came to represent this side of politics.

The 2nd industrial revolution resulted in a flurry of innovations like electrical power production and modern chemistry bringing greater changes to society and with it more political liberalization and worker's movements whomst were all exposed to Marxism. There was a good chance that if something like the French Revolution were to happen again, Marxism would be their creed.

It could have been anarchism which was also quite popular among extremists, there is an element of randomness and luck to all this. Though maybe an authoritarian group would prefer something more like communism.

Not in any practical sense

as far as i know his goal was not the distrubution of profit but the abolishment of profit/money so that distribution happened sort of naturally instead of through the socialist state

For a lolbert every regime who intervene the holy infallible market is a socialist regime.

>all socialism is marxist

His analysis of working conditions and exploitation of labour (in the 19th century) are nearly spot on. Shows how little has changed, even in a post-industrial climate.

His solution to this problem is bonkers. Group think, class traitors and kill 'em all. No thanks.

The germans found people stupider than them, being the illiterate criminals of Russia and china. They then outdid themselves by invading every country on earth so they could live in a neo-fudeal moanrchy that ended in a fiery holocaust