Was 'Caesar' really pronounced like the german word 'Kaiser'?

CHEY-EE-ZAR-EH

>'r' should be trilled (like the sound of a growling dog)

>Czar
>russian word

Sye-Zar

KEH-SAR

Why are English and anglicized words pronunciations so fucked up.

It was called the dog vowel

Letter*
Hehe fuck me

/ˈkaisaɹ/

/thread

Idk but a good rule of thumb is that if you're wondering why x is fucked up in the English language it's phonetic rot and/or with some inexplicable obsession with French.

Considering that the descendants of Norman invaders have constituted a rigid upper class for nearly a thousand years...

The vast majority of extant nobility in England can still trace their lineage to Norman invaders.

The letter C in Latin is always a hard sound

>Kaesar
>Kikero
>Skipio
>Sikilia
>Dakia
>Kyrenaica

And so on and so forth

Weaser

...

Great Vowel Shift

Kato and Katiline at least remain the same.

>is Caesar pronounced "Kaiser"
It is for you, profilgate

German pronunciation: kaiza
First syllable has the same vowel as English "I", second with "up"

Latin pronunciation: kaesar
First syllable almost rhymes with "I", but the offglide is a little lower, second syllable has the same vowel in the first syllable of "father". The R is trilled as in Italian.

>Kikero
My life is a lie.

How else do you pronounce it?

Yes. Most movies and shows get it wrong but in Fellini's Satyricon they pronounce it properly.

>Kikero
MUH DEMOCRACY

Babby doesn't know Classic pronunciation?
Stay vulgate

>always
not really

ch-ay-zarrr

Not KIKE-RO
But KIK-ERO

WE

For Classic pronunciation???

No

How do Italians say Caesar now?

Kay-sar-ee?

I like KIKE-ERO better than either of those. It suits him well

Cicero hated democracy just as much he hated the idea of a dictatorship.

The one that fuck me up the most is Kinkinnatus
Sound just so weird

>hated democracy just as much he hated the idea of a dictatorship.
Not true, he thought democracy was a necessary alternative to dictatorship. Just because he disapproved of the vox populi being seen an effective measure of governance, it was still the best system out there.

Che-saeh-reh

Cicero believed very strongly in the Roman concept of a Republic, which means that the system is overtly and unapologetically designed to given greater weight to the votes of the aristocracy (or the Roman equivalent of aristocracy). Cicero wrote very negatively about anybody who tried to change the rules to give the lower-classes more say.

>Cicero wrote very negatively about anybody who tried to change the rules to give the lower-classes more say.
What do you think I meant by
>Disliked vox Populi

thanks

>The "ae" in classical Latin sounded like "ayy" as in "ayy lmao"
>implying I know how to pronounce that

Ave, true to Caesar.

Yes. There is literally not a single historical linguist that questions that CAESAR was pronounced /kae.sar/.

'Caesar' is from the Latin for 'beautiful hair'.

Sanskrit, 'kesaras'.

>a*glo """"""phonetics""""""
TOP KEK ROFLMAO LOL

The Italians fucked Latin pronunciation up a long time before the English.

this, I'm not sure why the OP didn't just google or wikipedia this shit

If all Cs were Ks back in ancient rome how come the Cs are spoken as Ss now? Especially for places like sicily. Did people just forget what the place they live on was called for some time in history?

AVE

TRUE

You have to remember that because of French influence, the letter "c" before "e" or "i" is pronounced "s" in English

TO

CAESAR

Kay-sar, not Kay-ser.

Because I'm a lazy fuck

But how was Julius pronounced?
And Veni Vidi Vici

What if. Hold on ready for this. What if languages CHANGE over time. Who would have thought!

Ever read middle or old English?

I think Sicily is pronounced See-chil-ya in Italian.

Soft Cs ask the French. Cs in other Germanic languages are almost always hard.

Yoolius

Weni widi wiki

s-so how was Vercingetorix actually pronounced?

It's Latin approximating Gallish so who knows
In Latin

Wer-Ken-Get-or-ix

>century pronounced "senchry" instead of "kentoory"
>Ajax pronounced "Ayjacks" instead of "Ayax"
Frogs...

But that sounds like shit. I hate this thread.

Real autists please correct me.

I think that Classic Latin pronunciation was primarly with the upper classes. Not much is known about the contemporary Vulgate pronunciation.
Classic Latin pronunciation:
>C = Hard C (K)
>J = J as in German Ja (Y)
>Y = Greek Upsilon (OO)
>V = Like W (vin = Win "wine")
Those are some I know on top of my head. I never formally studied Latin

>>Ajax pronounced "Ayjacks" instead of "Ayax"
My uncle is named Ayas = Ajax in Arabic (no X in arabic but "sk" is used sometimes. يكساس" Tskas" Texas

'Ayy' is the same vowel sound as the 'ay' in may

I agree I think is wrong

It's "Ay"gyptus not "eye" gyptus

Cay-Sar

filename

WIR

Guyus Yulius Kyzer

>This thread
>Kayysarrr
>Kikero
>Kinkinnatus
>Wer-Ken-Get-or-ix
I fucking wish I never knew this

sometimes I wish I was an ignorant normie

Well...

In portuguese it is, so I would say YES

I've reached the point where I now find the modern english pronunciations jarring and odd-sounding and have mentally assimilated the original ones as correct. I remember when i was 14 and first read Vox Latina and had the same "wtf kaisar kikero" reaction as you peons. i got over it quickly. i now take great pleasure in saying things like wherekinggaytohricks. I even pronounce the internet slang term 'bae' which i believe is supposed to be said as 'bay' like 'buy'

>Kyzer
Cay-sar

Those sound unironically better than the retarded Anglo pronounciations though.

this

Can't wait for all the bootyblasted normies in this thread to figure out that Sawkrahtes changed forever Hellenistic peelawsawpeeah

People who say 'Sipio" would be shot if i were dictator

No just use a translator you fucking krauts

So it was pronounced Gaysarrr?

Takitus and Yosepuss are important early sources on Yaysoos

What about the pronounciation in the passion? Pilate pronounces it like Cesare Borgia

No.
Early in the history of the Latin alphabet there was no letter "G" and "C" was used for both sounds. So occassionally GAIVS would be spelled CAIVS and his name would be abbreviated C. IVLIVS CAESAR in inscriptions. it's roughly the equivalent of us using Roman numerals today.

So is his name actually pronounced Kikero?

The Catholic Church today officially uses an Italian style pronunciation which is closer to the original but not identical. Ol' being a good member of the ERC went with the "Ecclesiastical" pronunciation as it is called over historical accuracy.
>though roman officials were more likely speaking Greek to their eastern subjects anyway.
Most musical performances today use this Ecclesiastical pronuncation youtube.com/watch?v=-fMHms5Cvsw
Kick-eh-rrroh

Blame the French
We got this shit from them

I read once of a 17th century French diplomat showing up at the Hungarian royal court and delivering a message in Latin. The Hungarians all knew Latin as well of course but they couldn't understand a word he was saying and thought he was speaking French.
that being said your comment is off-base

Was 'x' pronounced ks as today, or ch as in Greek?

ks
i don't remember the exact history of why chi became ks to the Latins something about the letter being used differently by different parts of the Greek world

>wer

German pronunciation is wrong. Wrong!

?

Germans cant actually pronounce w, it represents v in their language

He was spelling out a phoenetic pronunciation of Vercingetorix.