An improvised common grave with the human remains of Peruvian Native Americans was found in Lima, Peru.
Multiple skulls, that date from the year 1500, had bullet wounds in the back of the head. Anthropologists say they were shot from a short distance and they were probably on their knees at the moment of their death
This shows how violent Spanish Colonizators really were
looks weird, i always presumed a gunshot to the skull will crack the area around the hole
Isaiah Kelly
I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge except for stormtards that the conquistadors were huge dicks
James Reyes
Black powder pistols had much lower muzzle velocity.
Nathan Parker
b-b-but spanish aren't white when it suits me
Jacob Howard
makes sense, im still always surprised by how sturdy the human body actually is
Nicholas Williams
This article reads like a bunch of revisionist bullshit to make the Conquistadors look like genocidal maniacs, and there's no real mention of the Indians "being on their knees" it just says they were killed closely which could have been just finishing the wounded in the ground. Oh and also it says that the aid of Indian Allies of the Spaniards is overlooked and barely mentioned in historiography, which is a dubious statement considering that the Spaniards themselves made the term "indios auxiliares" for describing those Indians that were friendly/ supporting in combat.
Hudson Carter
>This article reads like a bunch of revisionist bullshit to make the Conquistadors look like genocidal maniacs but they are
Christian Turner
yeah but they also had a much heavier projectile weight it wasn't until the 60s when fuddy-ought-six and fudd-oh-eight was dropped in favor of a lighter (meaning faster) bullet
Luis Wilson
Wouldn't that mean there would be a bigger hole?
Brayden Wilson
>This article reads like a bunch of revisionist bullshit to make the Conquistadors look like genocidal maniacs wait, is there any doubt in that?
Michael Diaz
Not necessarily. A relatively low speed impact from a heavy object on a small area of skull produces a fairly clean hole.
See pic related, who died from a spiked warhammer.
Zachary Lewis
nice
Charles King
The Spanish didn't really kill the Natives for repopulating the lands with Europeans (unlike the Anglos), but rather converted them to Christianity and used them as slave labor and serfs (see the Mita/Encomienda systems). And there's the already known contact with unknown diseases such as cholera and typhus which wiped off a big portion of Natives.
It's not a matter of will but capacity. Where there was low population density of natives the Spaniards exterminated them just like the Anglos did. (Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay, Florida, California)
Where natives had Empires numbering in the millions it was simply impossible to wipe them out without modern industrial methods unavailable in the 1500s. (Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, Peru)
In these territories extermination was not an option. Tenochtitlan alone had more than 1 million people. The only way to rule these lands was by conquering and making use of the existing native social and political structures. Which the Spanish did, through military conquest, divide and rule politics and outright terror, placing themselves at the top caste of the social pyramid.
You may notice this is also what the British did in India, a territory where outright extermination was also impossible due to the sheer number of people.
Ryder Rodriguez
>I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge except for stormtards that the conquistadors were huge dicks with huge balls
Hudson Murphy
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Levi Campbell
So do you have any proof that the Spanish had the will to exterminate the natives or are you just going off your gut?
Jackson Nelson
It wasn't some master plan, it was convenience depending on the time and place.
Same as the British.
Adam Morris
So in other words no proof just conjecture, gotcha.
Noah Moore
lmao
Jonathan Richardson
Do you want links to the massacres? These are well documented.
>i literally can't read the references user stop being retarded Not even the guy you're talking to
Andrew Harris
There are citations at the bottom of the page. Frankly a brainlet like you doesn't deserve more effort from my part.
Isaiah Jenkins
I know there are citations. You know there are citations. Why aren't you citing this evidence
Eli Powell
Because the relevant information has been conglomerated into a neat package. Rather than sending you picking through dozens of sources, you have a single summary source that provides the resources for your to investigate further if you should so choose.
Lucas Lewis
Who gives a fuck anyways. That happened 500 years ago
Gavin Sanders
best comment. What are we all doing here
Samuel Perez
Who gives a fuck what happens 5 years ago.
Andrew Gray
>make the Conquistadors look like genocidal maniacs No one has to put in any effort to do that. Conquistadors were genocidal assholes.
Brayden Lopez
So when Indians massacred Europeans is that proof Indians possessed the will to genocide Europeans?
Jeremiah Cox
a lower velocivty would increase the chance of the bone breaking and splitting into fragments retar
Hudson Martin
stop comparing a spike with a bullet
Camden Johnson
>genocidal assholes >literally the liberators of the enslaved populations of the New World, who were able to gather entire armies of Indian allies simply by showing up >recognized the nobility of the indigenous aristocracy and granted them equivalent royal titles in the Spanish aristocracy
What brutes!
Wyatt Cruz
Why would they waste expensive shot and gunpowder for executions? Something doesn't add up
Jack Rivera
>landlord deposes your old dick landlord while talking about how he'll slave your soul. >forces you to work for him for no pay, forces you to convert to a cult, kills 90% of your family, steals and plunders your property, burns your old bible and fucks your wife. You're right, they were actually 2 faced brutes
Brandon Hill
I don't think it would make a big difference. if anything I'd expect the spiked warhammer to have a bigger chance of cracking the skull.
Ethan Sanchez
Of course. Or do you think the Indians were beatniks?
It's hard to follow your point here. This is a history board.
Spanish were assholes. British were assholes. Aztecs were assholes. Incas were assholes. Mayans were assholes. And so on.
The first two had immunity to smallpox and Old World diseases as well as access to plate armor and gunpowder. The others did not.
Grayson Jackson
Wouldn't it take fucking forever to execute lots of people by shitty muzzle loaders?
Why wouldnt they just stab them?
Brayden Baker
maybe this one's a squirmer
Lucas Gray
Interesting point user, I think in a similar fashion the masacres they did were well planed to cause terror on the native population not acts of crazy bloodlust.
Benjamin Williams
"Liberators" wow user I hope you are some guy from spain that has engulfed heavy pro conquest propaganda. The tribute that was paid during the aztecs was increased by the spanish, people were removed by force from their lands to be closer to spanish authorities in Reducciones, ill made towns causing massive famine and dissease. This image is from a codex, it shows a spanish encomendero burning alive his native slaves for not giving enough tribute.
Eli Cox
Fucking idiot they didn't have guns that long ago
Aiden Parker
Lol
Henry Walker
Oh my god Who given a fuck would you have watched when you companioms got genocided alive for sacrifice by The fuclong Incas? I think Not and of you DID you iree a coward
Gavin Richardson
Get out.
Brody Price
EXPULSE THE SPANISH GOD KICK THE PENINSULARS TAKI UNQUY WHEN
Justin Scott
>Reward those that fought with you by giving them privileges and titles over land >Subjugate those that opposed you by giving them work and education Truly the savagery of these Spanish ASSHOLES is unparalleled in history!
Robert James
>Do you think k the Indians were beatniks Of course not, I just think that you devalue the phrase "genocidal asshole" when you throw it about willy-nilly, just like you devalue the word genocide when you apply it to bog-standard historical conquest.
If EVERYONE is a genocidal asshole then who the fuck cares, why point it out? You might as well call them "air-breathing fucktards".
Brayden Morales
If the allies get to be liberators for raping their way across Europe, imposing Communism, and massive social engineering schemes to neuter Germany, then I don't see why the Spanish shouldn't be considered liberators of the New World as well.
Liberty is a rough ride.
Asher Rodriguez
That's a cute boy, what's his name?
Jason Foster
Because the allies were allied with communists before
Jose Wood
>I don't see why the Spanish shouldn't be considered liberators of the New World as well.
They had no motivation to liberate anyone. They were looking for clay and gold. Btw. even the contemporary spaniards were disgusted by some of the things the conquistadores did.
Calling invaders "liberators" is usually pretty obvious propaganda anyway.
The genocidal assholes are the ones that actually managed to deal significant damage to another culture/ethnicity/religion. The others are just assholes that wished someone else was dead.
Christopher Garcia
Are they sure this isn't just a trephined skull? The inca poked holes in people's skulls all the time, it was a cultural motif for Peruvians of that period
Cooper Stewart
>aztecs religious bigot murderers spanish religious bigot murderers
Matthew Wilson
>Implying human sacrifice and execution are the same thing Wew lad
Jace Jackson
> Gel Mibson "historically accurate" moovee > ebil bloody indians thank god the spanish civiziled them lol
This is what /pol/ actually believes.
Jaxson James
I never heard a corpse ask how it got so cold.
Andrew Garcia
I think the point is that they were such a disgusting culture that you can't really blame the spaniards for wanting to eradicate them
Samuel Martinez
Whitey must pay!
Andrew Long
Honest question: how it isn't accurate?
Jaxon Williams
Kinda like white degeneracy is getting cleaned up by Islam today.
Sebastian Rivera
>Thinks speaking the truth about blacks makes him brave. >Thinks people speaking the truth about him are cucks.
Sounds about right.
Lucas Nguyen
We come here to go beyond high school history
Alexander Harris
Exactly
Liam Torres
Who is he?
Noah Ortiz
Are you talking about christianism? I don't see how it is eradicated.
Colton Butler
The thing is that the europeans were the savages.
How can anyone deny this simple fact?
Joshua Stewart
a shot from close, or any hit really from a 16th century pistol or musket leaves a very different mark, to say the least
is there a non sensationalist article in a professional publication?
Jaxon Jackson
The skull shows iron remnants around the hole. Other weapons could have left a much irregular fracture.
Jordan Taylor
>Oh, please do note that we are burning you in THE NAME OF our religion, not as a sacrifice in our religion. The distinction is very important, you see. It's like how we VENERATE saints instead of worsh- >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGHHHH
Sebastian Brooks
>I don't understand basic English vocabulary so I assume every word means the same thing Is this the definition of plebeian?
Jack Roberts
OP is probably a Mestizo ashamed of Iberian blood flowing through his veins.
EXCLUSIVELY FROM THE PATERNAL SIDE
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Jayden Allen
He's saying there's no difference in outcome whether its as a sacrifice to a diety or in the name of your religion. You are literally burning someone to death for your religious beliefs you fucking dolt.
this is news? they scared the shit out of their European contemporaries.
Charles Hughes
U r kewl user
Connor Reed
>execution in a secular state is morally equivalent to human sacrifice because a human life is being taken to appease "spooks" This is honestly what cultural relativists believe.
Cooper Perez
You.
Thomas Campbell
Brainlet here. Why didn't they just use their swords or daggers to execute the already captured people?
Those firearms were very slow to reload and ammo must have been very limited. Wasting them on kneeling prisoners makes little sense. And the process would be slow and laborious.
It seem strange that a 1500s army would behave like a death squad from the 1940s were one man would rapidly execute dozens prisoners with his Tokarev or Luger in a few minutes.
Evan Mitchell
It isn't accurate in that the Indians in the movie were Maya, and the Mayan civilization had already collapsed by the time Spanish arrived.
However the fact that so much effort was put into doing the research to depict anachronistic Mayans leads me to believe the choice was deliberate, possibly as a means to show the movie is not actually trying to show historical reality but to create a parable rooted in metaphor. In which case having the natives be Mayans is like a big neon sign to get people to notice there's more to the narrative than the surface level.
Liam Morgan
I was talking about the accuracy of the movie. How is it inaccurate?
Lincoln Thompson
The article says that there are 72 corpses, one of them was killed by a bullet, two others have wounds that may be caused by guns. Half of the bodies have marks that shown "an extreme violence", but not mention of fireguns (te text implies tha they were stabbed) and continues saying that most have corpses were wounded with native weapons.
The text says nothing about "executions".
Christopher Sanders
>In which case having the natives be Mayans is like a big neon sign to get people to notice there's more to the narrative than the surface level.
yeah there are still Mayans around to cast, you have to go to southern Utah to find people speaking anything like Nahuatl and even then only a hand full of old folks.