Let's diddle daddle about the Russian Empire. 1721-1917
How was the Russian rule looked at from the perspective of the Polish, Ukrainians, Belarussians and especially the Finnish people?
Was there a fair bit of Finnish soldiers in the Russian army and what battles were they present in?
How was life in pre-Russian Poland and Finland and how was it in post-Russian Poland and Finland?
Was Eastern Orthodoxy ever like.. how do I put it.. did the Russians ever go to the Catholics and Lutherans and say "Yo, it's pretty dank maybe you wanna like.. eh ;)" Or was it just not a problem that they followed another religion? (Wondering because my Finnish side of the family are Orthodox from way way back)
How were Jews, 'pagans' (Siberian folk) and Muslims treated in the Empire?
And a bonus question. Which Tsar was the most "based", balls to the wall, badass?
I think he's referencing that thread the other day on the Russian empire where OP thought Russia was isolationist like 19th century america
Julian Parker
Oh. Well I am not that bloke.
Lucas Rivera
>How was the Russian rule looked at from the Polish? They did not like it very well, judging by the constant revolts. Unfortunately, they weren't very good at killing Russians anyway, so they got even more fucked over. >Finland Actually fairly loyal to the Tsar until the attempts at Russification happened.Instead of revolting, like the Poles, they kinda just asked the Tsar if they could be a bit more independent, and he agreed. That's why Finland had its own parliament and army, but was still subservient to Russia. That changed in 1898 with the Februaru Manifesto. >Finns in the Russian Army I would say not many, though I've no idea of any exact numbers. Conscription in Finland was abolished in 1905 because the majority of conscripted Finns didn't even show up.
>Orthodoxy and other Religions The general trend was towards Russification. This was done in many ways, such as deportation of Muslims (to other parts of the Empire or to Ottoman Turkey usually), settlement of Russians in Muslim lands, and through education. They could either aim to educate Muslims to turn them into Christians, or they could go the other rout (the more likely I think) of deliberately keeping Muslim populations uneducated so as to limit their ability to oppose the state. Other Christians did not have it nearly as bad, partly because they were Christians and partly because the Russian Empire had need for some of them (such as the Baltic Germans), but conversion would still have been pushed pretty heavily.
Jordan Allen
>Februaru retard, bad post
Colton Adams
deportation of Muslims B A S E D We need a Tsar MARA
Connor Morgan
There wasnt pressure against Islam, large amount of Musllims (Tatars) were living in central provinces without problems. But there were some some actions against sects of separatists.
Luke Brown
>How was the Russian rule looked at from the perspective of the Polish, Ukrainians, Belarussians and especially the Finnish people? Polish, Ukrainians, Belarussians had choice - join either Russian nation, unite into Polish or create separate meme nations. Finnish could also became Russians, Swedes (why not) or create their own culture. Its not simple question, but general rule is stable - bigger countries are stronger and better.
Pre-divided Poland was puppet of Saxony. Pre-Russian Finland was part of Sweden, Swedes settled land with primeval tribes. Post-Russian Poland fall with British-French intrigue, then red regime (which was much more worse than imperial orders). Post-Russian Finland became puppet of Britain, provoked and partisipated in WWII (both Soviet-Finnish wars were rigged). Then small and comfy democracy - still under British rule.
Russian Orthodoxy was kinda Protestantism - Tsar was head of Church. Jew were kinda treated with some migration and segregation laws. Muslims were equal with others despite Russian propaganda used anti-Muslim slogans for wars against Turkey.
Probably Alexander I. Paris, Vienna system of diplomacy, etc.
Xavier Gray
Make America Russia Again?
Retard.
Samuel Bell
Make Alaska Russia Again.
Henry Reyes
>but conversion would still have been pushed pretty heavily. Wrong. Orthodox Church never pushed heavily for conversion. In fact Russia was the only place in Europe where legit pagans remained (Cheremis, now Mari nation). Not LARP assholes but real pagans. Imagine that in America, this would be like a dinner gong for hordes of evangelical missionaries. There was also a short-lived phenomenon in mid-19 century where Latvians would en masse rush to abandon Lutheranism and convert to Orthodoxy because of some rumours of perks and benefits. Tsarist Russia together with German 'management' of Baltics was scared by this and just blatantly banned conversions for some time.
Zachary Jackson
Russia was a backward, opressive and not industrialized shithole, 200 years behind Negroes. Russians were iliterate and tried to impose their iliteracy on others by fighting with schools.
Juan Gomez
inb4 pollacks start ranting about how the Jews killed Nicky and his family
The Russians created special versions of awards for muslims, you can see in my photo the order of St. George, and in the post below you can see the same order, but for muslims. They put two-headed eagle instead of the image of Saint George
Alexander Williams
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Grayson Davis
Well that is a heap of bullshit. Just because you do not like it don't spread misinformation.
Sebastian Bell
As far as I am aware, the Russian military was more accepting of various ethnicities and religions than, say, the civil service. A random Latvian farmers' son could, and on some occasions did, become general.
That said, the 1863 Polish revolt resulted in a ban on Latin printing in all parts of the Empire except Lifland and Kurland, and a ban on using native languages, if they were not Russian, in schools, even during intermission.
What is interesting is that a large part of the growing Baltic inteligentsia was actually torn on their allegiances, and earlier thought saw the Russians as allies against the local German nobility, even declaring themselves as open russophiles. These opinions shifted rapidly when Russification came into play a bit later.
>There was also a short-lived phenomenon in mid-19 century where Latvians would en masse rush to abandon Lutheranism and convert to Orthodoxy because of some rumours of perks and benefits.
You are partly right - but the rumours were spread by Orthodox priests themselves, the counterclaim was that those that did not convert would be returned to serfdom (which was still in force in the other regions), and this was right after a bad harvest.
What is more, with the freedom of religion instituted in 1905, a large part reverted back to Lutheranism.
>Jew were kinda treated with some migration and segregation laws
You forgot the pogroms.
Logan Jones
Main principles of religious policy in Russian Empire: 1) People can follow their native religions 2) Conversion from Christianity is forbidden 3) Conversion from Orthodoxy is forbidden 4) Quarrellings over religions are forbidden
Thomas Phillips
Prove me wrong.
Luis Wilson
Right, which is exactly why both Old Believers and Jews flocked to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and away from Russia.
Oh wait.
John Hill
>Was there a fair bit of Finnish soldiers in the Russian army and what battles were they present in?
>Old Believers They were considered as traitors of Orthodoxy >3) Conversion from Orthodoxy is forbidden
>Jews flocked to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and away from Russia. Jews appeared in Russia en masse only after partitions of PLC. They could not flock to PLC because it didn't exist anymore.
>Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was famous for its persecutions of non-catholic Christians
Zachary Hughes
>was famous for its persecutions of non-catholic Christians Bullshit.
Alexander Foster
>They were considered as traitors of Orthodoxy >3) Conversion from Orthodoxy is forbidden
It's hardly conversion if you keep doing what you're doing, while Ivan the Terrible decides to come up with his own shit.
>Jews appeared in Russia en masse only after partitions of PLC. >They could not flock to PLC because it didn't exist anymore.
You're dodging the issue of religious persecution that caused them to migrate to the PLC in the first place.
But if we are talking about policies 18th-19th century, apart from tolerating pogroms for nearly a century, the May Laws or the trial of Mendel Beilis provide a decent illustration of Jews the late Russian empire.
And, again, what speaks volumes is the degree of emigration.
Jayden Flores
>It's hardly conversion if you keep doing what you're doing, while Ivan the Terrible decides to come up with his own shit. Ivan the Terrible lived in 16th century, Old Believers appeared in the middle of 17th century during Romanovs' reign. Old Belivers were not one church, but tons of sects. Many of those sects were very far from old Orthodoxy.
>You're dodging the issue of religious persecution that caused them to migrate to the PLC in the first place. Jews migrated to PLC from Western Europe, not from Russia.
>But if we are talking about policies 18th-19th century, apart from tolerating pogroms for nearly a century. There was not any significant hostility towards Jews before 1881. Hostility was not caused by religion.
>trial of Mendel Beilis the jury acquitted Beilis. It proves that the majority of Russian society was not antisemitic.
>And, again, what speaks volumes is the degree of emigration. Like all Jewish migrants were only from Russia and all migrants were Jews.
Jose Brooks
>Old Belivers were not one church, but tons of sects. >Many of those sects were very far from old Orthodoxy.
The Orthodox church was right in claiming that the Greeks used a diferent creed, but they were wrong in thinking the Greeks had preserved the "true" creed and that the Russians had innovated, in fact the exact opposite was the case. Old Believers follow the original form of the religion, it is the "orthodox" who are heretics.
Dylan Long
t. Tsaraboo
Nicholas Carter
Heh, good job.
Jaxson Cooper
First of all what's with the Finnish autism? Secondly what's up with your post it's like an invalid having a seizure wrote half of the questions
Gabriel Gonzalez
>How was the Russian rule looked at from the perspective of the Polish at first Polish russian partition was supposed to follow fairly liberal constitution which guaranteed a lot of freedoms but only on paper because tsar would send his psychopath cousin to overseer polish provinces from warsaw and he didn't give a shit about it then russia would provoke uprisings to give themselves excuse to strip rights of polish citizens piece by piece until only russian language was allowed in administrative centres or schools/universities polish provinces still grew into one of best in russian empire despite attempts to stump that growth by constant repressions also there were tsarist gulags, exiles of poets, artists etc and russification but thats typical stuff that i assume was happening to every group of people that were unfortunate to find themselves trapped in that dysfunctional empire
Joshua Morris
Ban on Latin script, for example, after the Polish uprising, affected Eastern Latvians (not in Kurland or Lifland) quite severely - they had had no part in the uprising, yet were forced to use Cyrillic, and it was even illegal to distribute books in Latin script there. That part of the country thus historically had the lowest literacy rates for decades.
David Roberts
You need to read up on your polish history then
Nathaniel Martin
Religious tolerance was a thing, Only during the reign of Vasa it was different.
Robert Bell
Papist autism kept them from gaining Moscow time and time again
Lucas Reyes
Polish were given full autonomy and then rebelled without reason. They are were real autists.
>send his psychopath cousin to overseer polish provinces The viceroy was Constantine, older brother of Nicholas I. He had all rights to take the Russian throne after death of Alexander I, but refused. He also had Polish wife. Constantine had the chance to subdue the rebellion at the start, but didn't want to shed blood. He ordered all Russian troops to evacuate from Poland instead.
Jacob Sanders
>Ban on Latin script Moron The language of Russian nobles was French. And it used Latin script. Just Polish language lost its official status.
Sebastian Parker
Finnish and Estonians talk about "the good Swedish years", so I think they hated the Russians.
Jack Peterson
Except that's wrong, you mong, use of Latin script was also banned for use in Lithuanian and Latvian outside of Kurland and Lifland.
Jace Hall
their countries history is basically dedicated by who was less opressive overlord but swedes clearly treated finns worse than russians swedes at some point they viewed them than subhumans who need to be castrated while under russia they had a lot of autonomy
Xavier Cruz
>Except that's wrong, you mong, use of Latin script was also banned for use in Lithuanian and Latvian outside of Kurland and Lifland.
It happened after another Polish Rebellion in 1964, was a part of depolonization policy in former PLC lands. Lithuanian and Latgalian scripts were changed to Cyrillic. Usage of Polish language was limited. But also could be said that depolonization helped to revive Lithuanian and Latgalian cultures.
Landon Bailey
*1864
Hudson Green
>But also could be said that depolonization helped to revive Lithuanian and Latgalian cultures.
