Could america's fleet of 187 F-22

You have to remember, they can put that bomb exactly where they want it, including underground.

During WW2, the average bomb could only be trusted to fall within about 3,000 feet of the target.

More importantly
>only 2 1,000lb JDAMs
>only 8 250lb SBDs
are the F-22's air to ground options.

Realistically, the F-35 would be a better option, especially assuming the planned integration of all the planned munitions
>Brimstone
>Rockeye
>B61s
>2,000lb JDAMs
All while being able to see pretty much everything with the EOTS while sitting at a comfortable cruise altitude far above the effective ceiling of flak.

>we could have actually shut down Nazi Germany's extermination camps with by hitting the gas chambers and crematories with precision airstrikes if we had one squadron of F-22s

This is a question for /k/. The F-22 isn't even 25 years old.

Not OP, but I was on /k/ before Veeky Forums existed and now I split my time between the two.

/k/ can tell you about the plane and its capabilities, Veeky Forums can tell you about the strategic situation the plane would be altering.

I mean, they won't, because they're too busy replying to 0/10 shitposts, but they can.

Was being sarcastic, a 1000lb payload on 187 planes would btfo absolutely everything. Even more so as we are assuming adequate resupply

This. Japan/Germany would have basically no way to defend against them, but you need more than that.

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That would be totally awesome dude

If one goes down it would be pretty bad
>f22 crashes
>Germans capture it
>reverse engineer it

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>destroy has changed
>typhus spreads even quicker now that decontamination of materials is no longer possible
>even more hungry skeleton foto's
>even more burning mass graves
>even more MUH LAMPSHADES and REAL IN MY MIND

>destroy gas chambers***
Fucking autotype

>Germans reverse engineering an F-22
By the time they start pumping them out,the allies would have beaten them

>they went underground for a lot of their manufacturing
No they didn't.

Yes.

No, but they would cripple the luftwaffe, which would make it much harder for Germany on the ground, be it vs France or the USSR.
Depending on when they enter combat. If it's after Pearl Harbor.
If it's prior, Barbarossa wouldn't even be possible.

Nope.

Fleet of F-22 are used in conjunction with precision targeting, they are not to be used as cannon fodders.

>No, but they would cripple the luftwaffe
Uh no, 187 F-22s wouldn't "cripple" the Luftwaffe, they would absolutely annihilate it.

Depends on what you mean by "single handedly". If it is literally them on their own the F-22s would have to bomb the surrounding area constantly to prevent enemy infantry infiltrating the airbase.

If they were sent back in time they would turn the tide of the war within months.

American generals would be focussed with demonstrating their capabilities to encourage enemy military officers to go over the heads of their superiors and negotiate. The Italians of course would fold very quickly, some Germans might, the Japanese likely won't. Regardless the F-22s would cripple their airforce and navy causing a rapid withdrawal on all fronts.

Pretty sure the Germans would just stop deploying planes.

Yes, they did

>nyerr well actually they only did so for such-and-such percent, which I don't consider 'a lot'

'cannon fodder' was not the term you meant to use

Its exactly what I meant to use.

Singlehanded means they're the only thing fighting machine the faction is going to use.

There were tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of anti-aircraft measures, few of them will hit the aircraft and damage it if not destroy it. Every loss is huge loss as there would be no way to rebuild/construct it again.

If an enemy faction decides to focus heavily on its Anti-AA and radar, it would do devastating damage to F-22 runs.

Even if F-22 has 100% success rate with 0 loss, industrial capabilities don't stop at those. Even if all the industries on surface are destroyed, industries dont stop. They simply move underground and continue to pump up war machines.

Within few days of the initial surprise, the AA division would get a huge boost in funding from war ministries and have a higher chance of shooting down those F-22.

>few of them will hit the aircraft and damage it if not destroy it
Nothing they have would ever come close to even reaching near a modern jet, let alone touch, let alone damage one. There is nothing they could research in time to let them stand the slightest chance. The war would be over.

Multiple F117, the F22's close cousin were shot down by rebels using anti-aa made in the 60s.

With finances of entire military might, they can shoot down few f22s. Its not a matter of if, but when. F-22 isn't an omnipotent flying machine, its main defense is stealth, which can be rendered useless if you fire endless volleys. Its armor is standard armor that anti-aircraft guns can pierce.

Provide proof that more than 10% of manufacturing was underground for more than 10% of the time.

Pretty sure that would count as complete air supremacy.

>Multiple F117, the F22's close cousin were shot down by rebels using anti-aa made in the 60s.
Exactly one F-117 was ever lost by enemy action. I don't think that would qualify as "multiple."

>Multiple F117, the F22's close cousin
F-117 was retired from service three years after F-22 was introduced into service.

>With finances of entire military might, they can shoot down few f22s
Literally every 40's world power working together could not shoot down a modern fighter jet if it didnt want to be shot down. They would need decades of R&D, while a full airforce worth of f22s working in conjunction with the rest of their military would only need a few months to eliminate their ability to do anything whatsoever.

>muh underground factories
what are they going to do with all those factories when their boats, roads, and railways are wiped out?

>F117
Just call the Serbs

Like clockwork

only 1 was shot down and by a guided missile with modern tracking systems

an F-22 releasing chaff would confuse the fuck out of even the most advanced radars of the 40s

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with limited radar ... I doubt it would be nearly as effective as today ... but still better then the stuff during ww2 for sure .... primarily would be stuck using machine gun type payload and dropping speed .... since the limited information and lock on abilities it would have from radar of the day ...

Reverse engineering isn't magic. The Nazis wouldn't have the kind of technology needed to make even a crude knock-off.

Only few missiles were shot to bring that F 117 down, not hundreds or thousands.

Even if F-22 has 1-10,000 chance of being hit, if you get 187, few will go down guaranteed. Blanketing the entire sky with anti aircraft ammo will hit the nail on few of those 187 F-22.

fighting for air superiority against a force you outgun and outman gets boring I guess

F-22 can fly above flak range.

So no proof, no sauce, anything? Just as I figured.

Are you insane?

The Nazis had no way to manufacture the composite materials needed for the low RCS let alone an entire F-22. And this assuming they could reverse-engineer 2007 cutting edge military technology which is also insane.

No, because 187 planes can't be omnipresent, they'd just spread them around more.

If they're flying above flack range constantly, their ability to identify industrial targets deminishes significantly.

>If they're flying above flack range constantly, their ability to identify industrial targets deminishes significantly.
Do you think today's aircraft use Norden sights to track targets?

Norden sights don't work on F-22s so pilots usually just decide when to drop the bomb load based on visuals. Obviously that is a problem when you are flying above over three million flak batteries.

I'm not even talking about talking about taget tracking. If you're talking about shit like bombing hidden underground factories, all your reconnaissance has to be done from the F-22. It's very hard to get a general picture of everything that's going on from 30,000 feet.

They have to manually crank those guns around to shoot at it, they had very low hit rates against aircraft of the time, a modern jet is just way too fast.

>Blanketing the entire sky with anti aircraft ammo

This is the military strategy equivalent of asking why we don't just print more money

WWII aircraft loss is roughly like this.

>Germans
70K
>US
95K
>Soviets
105K
>Japan
40K
>British
40K

Of those, roughly 50% were combat loss.

US alone produced close to 100 billion ammos during WWII.

Soviets and Germans have their own, then there's Japanese/British/etc

Good fraction of them were for anti-air

It's not about the amount they produced, it's about the viability of placing enough AA in a single spot and filling the sky with flak. No 1940s early warning systems would be able to pick up F22's early enough, and unless those AA guys are constantly firing, no way they could react in enough time have a chance of hitting them. Like someone else in this thread said, they had be manually cranked to track a target.

>underground factories
There were a few underground factories (V2 rockets, for example) but 99% of German production was in pretty obvious places, especially crucial sectors like synth oil.

Please tell me you are pretending to be retarded in a misguided attempt at humor.

All people ITT are wrong.

If the Axis saw this kind of technology being fielded they would pretty capitulate.

There is literally nothing you can do against them, while they are gradually destroying you.

So yes, they could. Either, they would capitulate quickly, or they would let themselves be destroyed by it for 10-20 years, and then capitulate.

It's similar to the nuclear bomb, once Japs saw what the US is capable of they lost all hope they are ever going to win the war.

>It's similar to the nuclear bomb, once Japs saw what the US is capable of they lost all hope they are ever going to win the war.
this meme again