Say that Hitler did NOT declare war on America after December 7th, 1941.
Say that Hitler instead denounces the Japanese attack and declares neutrality in the coming American/Japanese war. Or even goes as far as to break his axis alliance with Japan, to show he wants no part with them?
Does America still get involved in the European theatre of WWII beyond the lend leasing?
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He was challenging our Hegemony. Of course we would go to war with him. Support for the war would erode quicker though.
Probably not until at least a few more years, mostly to prevent a Soviet Occupation of Europe.
Doesn't matter, the government had been wanting to get involved in Europe since the fall of France and any excuse that could sway the public would be more than enough
What support would he had to declare war? Congress was only united against Japan because of the Pearl Harbor attacks and against Germany because he had already decided on war against America.
Without a already German declaration of war, I find it highly doubtful FDR could get congress to declare war on Germany especially given the looming threat of Japan.
FDR did, congress and the American people were much more split.
The fact that they were now in common cause with Britain and it's dominions against Japan so why not give them a hand with the whole Kraut thing
probably adolf hitler will win the war because his tanks were superior
Because American people are idealistic moralists who disagree with the idea of going to war for any reason besides self-defense
If FDR could just convince the people they needed to fight Germany without a reason, he would had done so in 1940
yes but keep in mind adolf hitlers tanks were superior
Well, once Britain is an ally against Japan, the whole 'Germany is bombing our allies and engaged in unrestricted submarine warfare against them' thing is kind of a fucking problem.
The chances of Hitler not declaring war on America following Peral Harbor are so low as to make any discussion of the alternative pointless.
Say you're in a gunfight with an opponent, and you're doing well having wounded your opponent and made him expend his ammunition. Suddenly this asshat shows up with some bullets and bandages and gives them to your opponent, then he starts shooting at your friend.
Are you supposed to just leave that man be because he hasn't fired at you?
What hegemony did America have in 1941?
Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, extensive economic power, bases in China, bases in Greenland and Iceland (one of the contentious issues that caused Adolf to declare war)
Not an argument
Yes
In that case, FDR and his kike pals would have hyped up the uboat attacks on merchant marine for war. Or the may have orchestrated a Lusitania-esque false flag. There is no way USA was going to be neutral. Then Hitler would look like a treacherous coward for denouncing his ally and weak for trying to appease something which could not be appeased
Churchill had been working pretty hard to get us involved for over a year at that point, using the fact that he was half-American and identified with with side of his family to appeal to us.
>Does America still get involved in the European theatre of WWII beyond the lend leasing?
Yes. Opinion polls were getting steadily more negative towards the Third Reich and had been since the fall of France. The U.S. was already in an undeclared war and had been fighting German U-boats since the late summer of 41. To assert that they wouldn't get in the war because Hitler doesn't back up the Japanese is asinine.
>Opinion polls
Which polls?
Gallup polls.
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Interestingly, you'll note that while we need to go to war is still a (shrinking) minority, it's counterbalanced by a majority that thinks that the U.S. should go to war if it appears Britain would lose, but that Britain is capable of winning the war on its own.
>we
Yes?
>Does America still get involved in the European theatre of WWII beyond the lend leasing?
Pretty much. You are delusional if you think the single most important world power at the time could only react to what other countries did to it, and would let other countries interfere with its interests abroad.
According to the Geneva Convention, yeah.
Of course.
The masters of america were already at war since 1933.
Geneva convention doesn't have anything to do with diplomatic conduct.
>Because American people are idealistic moralists who disagree with the idea of going to war for any reason besides self-defense
Exactly. That's why America was constantly fighting wars of expansion since the early 1800s.
Manifest Destiny is an idealistic moral. Also, no war the Americans fought in the 1800's was "started" by the Americans. Whether it was the Mexicans attacking Taylor's Army at the Rio Grande or the "attack" on the Maine, Americans are very good at ensuring the enemy fires the first shot.
And America would have found such a convenient excuse.
Of course it should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the PacFleet stationed at Pearl Harbor was a tripwire.
>Why was the Pacific Fleet stationed at the Pacific Fleet Home Port
lol wut
Yes, which is why the Americans were sure that if the Japanese attacked, they'd go after the Phillipines, or Wake island.
PacFleet's home port was San Diego. It was moved to Pearl Harbor in late 1940 ostensibly to warn Japan.
>PacFleet's home port was San Diego.
>was
Key word, senpai
You do realize that we are talking about events that happened in 1941, right? Of course the key word is "was."
You are implying that the Pacific Fleet was stationed at Pearl Harbor because that is its home port. You were told that Pearl Harbor was not its home port at the time. This is not hard.
>1941
Pacific Fleet was not stationed at Pearl Harbor because that was its natural home. It was moved there specifically in response to Japanese expansion, over the protests of high ranking navy men. If you have anything of substance to say, feel free. Otherwise, please stop posting.
>natural home
What the fuck?
>over the protests of high ranking navy men
Which?
The Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, for example.