Why is he so amazing?

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
That's literally a calculator to manage a nationalised economy.

muh inequality

Chile's neoliberal experiment was a success story. Even fucking Stiglitz admitted so

He's right though. Allende needed to be taken out. Just like how communists need to be given helicopter rides

>they don't want my daddy's business to lash the proles, execute them!

Most dictators are/were communists so none should be trusted. Even in the West. Pol Pot was a member of the French Communist Party after all.

Socialism as an economic theory is one giant failure after the other After 19th and 20th century there's no reason to support it.

I agree 100%

You realize Pol Pot was ousted BY Communists, right? Goggle The salvation Front and Vietnamese-Cambodian war.

What do you actually think Socialism is? I'm curious.

He did the best he could with his low IQ third world mestizo country.

If something fails all the time I don't really feel like mentioning all the different variations. I have more respect to 19th century version of socialism that evolved into social democracy. Still inefficient and fails every time but at least it doesn't involve genocide like communism.

So what you're saying is, you can't actually define Socialism.

Communism was never reached, as communism is the end product OF socialism, not the starting point, already revealing you don't understand the topic. It's like saying 'Prosperity' is an ideology.

What you're actually saying is you hate Stalinists and Maoists, which is okay. But it's not all of Socialism.

Social Democracy is also not socialism, as it is simply state management of industries, not actual social control.

you gonna get helicoptered

They weren't saying that at all.

Pretending everyone who isn't a socialist is ill-informed on socialism is dumb

Please stop

I can but I don't care. Effects are more interesting than the intent.
I hate socialism, social democracy, third way mixed economy etc. in various degrees depending on how much they fail.

"True" communism was reached in the forms of different comunes (that failed) and Free Territory (that also failed).

Yeah because turd world chile is an economic success. I don't fall for the Zionist Friedmanite lies... a Ghaddaffi will always be better than a Pinochet

People who think socialism = less communism are uninformed.

That's because you're a tard who points to african shitholes who get couped by stalinist dictators and call it socialism, all because you like to jerk yourself off the Wehrmacht marching videos and r/The_Donald comment sections.

He is not as amazing as you think.

Remember he pegged the Peso to the Dollar against the advice of the Chicago Boys leading to a bubble and a financial crisis. His biggest mistake, like Alexander's decision to march across Gedrosia.

It was also slightly immoral since he robbed forex traders of their tender precious market freedoms.

No human is perfect.

Good. Really good. If more people believe in fairy tales about paradise on Earth there will be less migrants to capitalist countries.
Meanwhile even in Botswana economic freedom has its positive effects.

>Socialist dictatorship is ok as long it's "my flavor" of socialist dictatorship
Why is /pol/ so retarded?

Greatest growing world economy is China
How does your map back your point?

And chile is still third world with a lower GDP per capita than Poland and more inequality than Africa

...

>Maybe if I speak like /pol/ people I have literally no idea about might listen to me

Very valid point friend

China began to grow after adopting levels of market reforms

>two deep recessions
Meme. Most of SA had those recessions as well. Though you are right to some degree because one was made excessive by >Long lasting socioeconomic damage
Blatant lie. Look how well the economy did after 1987 (iirc)

>muh other stats
Yeah that's what happens when you have to fix rampant inflation lad

The employment of neo-liberal economics in Chile is sometimes referred to as creating a ‘Chilean economic miracle’ (Sigmund, 2011, p.180). Neo-liberal economics allowed the Chilean economy to become firmly enmeshed within the world economy, lowered tariff barriers allowing Chileans to buy all kinds of imported goods, firmly established multinational corporations in the country and modernized Chilean agriculture (Oppenheim, 1999, pp.155-156). Chile’s GDP also benefitted hugely as a result of these economic reforms, growing by 8% in both 1977 and 1979, and by 10% in 1989, the highest growth in the region (Valdes, 1995, p.266), whereas inflation fell from 375% in 1975 to 9.9% in 1982 (Oppenheim, 1999, p.121 and p.130).

Chinese economy has become capitalist due to Xiaoping's reforms. Officially still communist but mostly to control the population. The change in the system has been noticed of course as evident in that Chinese joke about ressurected Mao that became famous on the internet.
It's still usustainable in the long run even though it's moving away from centrally planned economy. Long story short its flawed Keynesian system hurts small businesses that are so important in the economy.
Now Hong Kong has been capitalist for a longer time and they have lesser problems.

Chile is fine. Great wine But they have a socialist president so looks like South America will be stuck in this endless cycle.

Not true.

>China began to grow after adopting levels of market reforms
Yes, market reforms not full blown Friedmanite libertarianism.

Pinochet privatized the mines, crashed Chile's economy and had to privatize them again. Nice going third world brown manlet.

Your own chart disproves your text.
Chile is barely better than the Latrino average (which includes shitholes like Haiti, that average is misleading) and most of the gains were in democracy not due to Pinochet.

Wow user

I have to wonder

What if

say

They implemented MORE market reforms?

Could

they possibly

create

MORE growth?

He had to nationalize the mines again

>A Caribbean Frankophone country
>part of Latin America

Really made me think.

Why does it always need to turn into a discussion about economics ffs. Why can't we just appreciate all the leftists he slaughtered

Tracked your original chart to here:
commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GDP_per_capita_LA-Chile.png

Original source for the Latin American average is CEPAL 2012, which includes "Latin America and the Caribbean", including shitholes like Haiti.

In reality Chile GDP per capita is much closer to the South American average, and hardly a miracle. (Both Argentina and Uruguay, perennial economic basket cases, are richer)

There is critical thinking and there is taking things at face value to believe Friedmanite kikes.

I don't like killing but I don't like lefties even more.

It's on a steady rise wtf. Allende's time shows a significant drop.

No Pinochet was in power from 1973 to 1990, he presided over two massive drops and growth only picked up somewhat after he left office.

Hardly the "miracle" friedmanite shills try to push.

See chart at 1973 to 1990 that was Pinochet's rule.

Blatant lie. The only country that had similar per capita growth was belize, and even then it was only comparable for a small subset (5 years)

Compare 1985-1995. No country had growth remotely comparable.

indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG/compare#country=ar:bz:br:cl:co

As I said, Stiglitz, of all people, labelled Chile reforms a success. That in itself is practically proof enough

Drop in Allende's time then rise, drop and rise again under Pinochet.

So your "argument" dictates that he was at fault for two recessions when one of those recessions had already started under his office? You know how fucking stupid that is? He lowered inflation from 375% to 9.9%

Face it, commie, your argument rests on the drop in 1982, which was BECAUSE Pinochet didn't listen to the Chicago boys and had his currency pegged

It's over.

>But they have a socialist president

No we fucking not.

What the fuck do I care about Stiglitz?
He was praising Venezuela just 5 years ago. Who cares?

>1985 to 1995
Pinochet's growth rates were extremely lackustre, and not a "miracle". Stop lumping up post-Pinochet years with it.
He left office in 1990 you fucking shill.

His reforms failed, the economy crashed, he had to nationalize again the mines *he* privatized.

If that's not proof of his failure then nothing is. Spain had a "miracle" under Franco. Chile is still a shithole.

Yes you and she is about to reform the constitution so she can rule Chavez style and you fucking lemmings are going to let her

WOW

for a minute there

I had this crazy idea

that

maybe

Economic policies continued to have effect

after the politician in power left

but

I guess I was wrong

and the moment

you

leave power

all your work magically disappears

>An empirical study comparing social policies in the 1980s and 1990s shows that about 60 percent of Chile‘s poverty eradication in the 1990s can be attributed to economic growth and 40 percent to social policies.

That's poverty eradication, not even GDP growth

Thanks Pinochet!

stop being butthurt dude you got btfo

Yo im a Brit but have loads of family in Chile. All massive supports of Pinochet. Turns out they were all good palls with him, ran the grain silos of chile during this period. Cousin even went to presidental palace in Santiago and heard people screaming beneath the floor boards.

This

No she isnt what the fuck are you talking about you retard.

>GINI index
lmao

" btfo "
>literally debunk every single talking counterargument
b-b-b-but muh mines!11... :(

hmm

telesurtv.net/english/news/Chiles-Bachelet-Pushes-to-Rewrite-Pinochet-Era-Constitution-20170404-0016.html

He's not, my /pol/ish friend. Killed tons of innocent who weren't even communists and was an american puppet. Plus he did not respect the democratically elected government of Allende

Pinochet was a faggot all around. Yeah he stopped commies but that's all he did. There's no reason to lionize the man. He was an illiterate peasant. Chile started growing in 90's, after his rule was over.

>He was an illiterate peasant.
This is the funniest thing of all, he was a dumb bastard, yet useful for his kike overlords

>Argentina and Uruguay have a higher IQ than Potatoniggerland, Moortugal and the Balkans
Wtf I love Rio della Plata now

Funny, retards like you accuse the Jews of fermenting Communist revolution and yet, also of Neoliberalism.

He killed lots of commie rats

>You will be rich for your entire lifetime thanks to your parents
>Meanwhile commies will keep striving for their free money revolution and will probably die without seeing it happen
Come and get me """""""worker"""""" class!

>Most dictators are/were communists
lol

"Economic freedom" is a meme-tier definition of capitalism.

Imagine a country so economically ruined that you literally eat boots

Lmao Bachelet isn't even left wing. We've been under "socialist" rule for 20 years and nothing has changed because the neoliberal model works better than anything we've had. And they know it.
If she's changing something is because people are butthurt about Pinochet having implemented that shit, and it would be just out of spite, to not have his constitution, but that's it. Nothing will change with a new constitution. Our "left" wing would be considered right wing in any european country.

Also unlike Chavez, nobody respects her, so good luck with that "regime".
Nobody respects any authority on this country. Politicians are all conmen liars, policemen are assholes that will hit you with their stick for speaking up, and the army are all useless wankers.
If you fear your authority, you are countrying wrong. I don't fear any change she may make because she's all in for the model we have right now

He DID NOT throw commies from helicopters. Those were the Argies.
Stop attributing that to us.

Chile had a totally different "socialism" in mind than Venezuela ever did, look up Cybersyn, it is fascinating.