When it's all said and done, feudalism wasn't all that horrible for the average peasant right?

When it's all said and done, feudalism wasn't all that horrible for the average peasant right?

>in b4 feudalism was inferior simply because they didn't have electricity and modern dentistry

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read "quiet flows the don" by mikhael sholokov.

village mentality was a thing and is still a thing across large parts of the world. i can't imagine anything worse than living in a shame and honour culture where your entire life is devoted to maintaining an image so that the neighbours don't gossip about you.

muslim immigrants and immigrants from sub saharan africa still live in that culture, and their kids don't and that's why they're so fucked up. imagine how overbearing your parents would be if all they cared about is how they appeared to the hassans down the street or, worse, the hassans in some bumfuck village in the himalayas.

>you are the property of the landlord
>you are the backbone of the economy but you see absolutely no returns, you are simply allowed to live and maybe you can make some pittance profits in the minor scale closed economy of your peasant village
>no opportunities to advance
>no opportunities to learn anything
>probably can't even leave the village

People should be shamed more, not less, desu

Yes it was horrible. It was so horrible that peasants saved money en masse so that they could buy the end of their serfdom. Of course, "feudalism" and "medieval era" are two different things that varied depending of the place and time, for exemple by the XIIIth Century in France the peasants were relieved of serfdom and, even though life was harsh, it was the best that could be afforded in this time ; But feudalism itself ? Being subservient to either drunk clergymen or violent thugs posing as knights ? Not so good.

go live in some shitty little dorp where everyone is retarded thanks to endogamy and bitter because they're not as rich as the kardashians for 20 years and get back to me.

i love sleaze and degeneracy because it represents individual agency. you love order because you're a loser and yearn for a society where everyone knows his place (you at the top of course) so that you don't have to deal with modern life.

sucks to be you.

Working to live, what is so wrong with that? Your view of life as a rat race betrays your first world capitalist indoctrination.

I'm not OP but this culture of gossip and maintaining image was exactly what prevented the modern explosion of homosexuality, promiscuity, cuckoldry, transgenderism and other pathological social behavior. Much like societies that shame obesity (Japan, China etc) don't have as many fat people as USA or Britain.

It was worse than slavery in America

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>the grass is greener on the other side: the post

You sound angry, friend. Get well soon.

>Working to live, what is so wrong with that?
Because it was forced upon them as a birthright with no means to choose another path.

I did grow up in a tiny town.

>seething

lol, USSR-posting is a thing now?

>off to the psychiatric ward with you comrade

Why are there so many mentally unhinged posters on Veeky Forums these days?

Take it easy, bro.

so did i. several in fact. they were all shit.

>triggered

He just admitted that he's a degenerate, as per his own words. So being angry at normal people comes with the territory.

You mean working to survive and in the end you can't even profit of it, because you and your products are the property of your lord.

>inb4 muh taxes or some other shit
You can't compare the capitalistic government to feudalist lords.

How so?

Individualism is a mental disorder, truly.

No, the only thing shame culture does is reward people who are good at being totally fake with each other

>is obviously angry at system because of mental illness, comrade. perhaps visit to sanatorium will cure his fascination with "agency" and "individualism".

Capitalism is in many ways worse than feudalism imho

Well he seems insufferable. I hope he is shamed everywhere he goes never finding refuge in even the biggest and most anonymous cities.

* nothing to do
* the people were the dregs who never left for the big city
* rampant ignorance
* rampant lunacy and mental illness
* lots of bitter failures who spend their lives tugging the forelock of their social betters.
* lots of old time religion but useless priests - all ritual and no doing.

this was in ireland, england and south africa. different flavours of the same old shit.

You do realize that the whole point of feudalism is that your landlord is legally entitled to your labor, right?

Even if we ignore all of the other problems, there is still individuality in feudalism. The lords and clergy would be vying for power.

How? In feudalism you have 90% of people withouth freedom that are not even entitled to all of their products, let alone to profit from them.

He's a person with weak will and no self control. A good analogy to rural life is a strict father. The strict father will always be judgmental, stern, but caring. He doesn't let you eat sweets for breakfest, lunch, and dinner, because he doesn't want you to become fat. He wants you to learn hard work and frugality, so you won't become lazy and spoiled. You might hate how your father treats you, but once you grow up, you'll realize it was for your own good, and for the good of the entire family.
Now, urban capitalist life is like a child wandering off to a magical land where he can eat all the sweets he wants because there's no mean father to scold him for it, he doesn't have to wash his hands after using the toilet, he can dance in the freezing cold naked, it's pure, savage, individualist hedonism, without care for others, or even yourself. The child doesn't have to think about consequences so nobody can tell him he will end up obese and dying of bacterial infection or pneumonia.

This. You don't just have to work to live, you have to work to be allowed to live and then if there's any scraps of your economic output left you can have them to survive on.

Sounds familiar...

Only if you think people would choose that life over the life of a noble.

>i worship strength because i am weak and fetishize what i don't have

You said you love "degeneracy" and "sleaze" so don't try to backpedal now. We didn't call you mentally ill, you did.

You don't have happiness in your life considering how unabashedly angry and mad you're being.

i love sleaze and degeneracy. you're the one who equates that to mental illness, not me. obviously you try to medicalise people who don't like what you like, which is what the USSR did, and suggest that anything you don't like is a mental illness.

that's why i'm equating what you're doing to what the USSR did to dissidents who didn't agree with the system.

Are you saying feudalists like the USSR?

>i'm heartsore becos u don't luv the bby jesus

i'm saying that people who suggest that people who have opposing viewpoints are mentally ill are like the USSR

I called you mentally unhinged not because of your love of sleaze and degeneracy, but because of your histrionic behavior. You started shitting up this thread by needlessly insulting people three posts in. Go be defensive about your worldview somewhere else.

You sound like the kind of person who would call pedophilia an alternative lifestyle. So what is it, are you a tranny? Furry? Gay? Pedo?

A sure sign someone is buttflustered is when they start greentexting to mock the other person's argument, rather than come up with an actual argument themselves.

Stay mad faggot.

>we really hate all forms of rape
>so we logically like this form of rape

I'd bet tranny, they get all booty blistered occasionally and lash out hatefully against people that don't exactly agree with them.

See
>>>/lgbttttttttt/

>this kills the traditionalist
The answer to your question OP is objectively "no". To be a peasant was to be mired in abject poverty while your "boss" owned your house, your job, all of your farming equipment, and got to decide for himself when you did and didn't get to work. You weren't even allowed to travel without his express permission.

Want to leave, go to town, and learn a trade? Too bad, back to the mindless drudgery of the fields, with you.

>You can't compare the capitalistic government to feudalist lords.

This.

People worked, people are, people had kids. Day to day things weren't much different from today. People are free today and have lots of tech but the simplicity and community of the olden days was traded away. Being two or three paychecks away from having the bank foreclose on your home while living in a suburb where you don't anyone really and you see your family a handful of times a year sucks, I tell you what...

All the societies in the modern world that try to repress "homosexuality, promiscuity, cuckoldry, transgenderism and other pathological social behavior" are shitholes.
Personally I don't see why people like you get so wound up about sex issues. I'm a lot more concerned about violent crime, I really don't give a shit about what pronoun fucks what other pronoun in what combination of holes.

Gotta agree, tranny it is.

LOL. Modern societies that practice traditional rural conservatism: Turkey, Chechnya, Afghanistan, etc.
Modern societies that practice urban capitalist life: US, UK, Germany, etc.
Yeah... seems like urban capitalist life is much much better.

>shithole vs not shithole is a purely economic distinction
As expected from a materialist

>Turkey
>rural

>People should be shamed more, not less, desu
He insulted a guy who said "People should be shamed more, not less". Basically, he shamed a guy who said that people should be shamed more.
I fail to see the problem here.

I'm not just talking about economic distinctions. Urban capitalist life is better in a lot of ways, not just economic. As for you, I assume you probably live in a nice first world country and aren't planning to move to rural bumfuckistan any time soon, right?
It's the rural parts of Turkey that give Erdogan his edge. And Erdogan, mark my words, will cause Turkey to fall behind over the course of the next 10-20 years, unless he's removed.

If you really wanted a conservative rural life defined by lack of access to information or basic necessities, you'd go live in them, and wouldn't be lecturing space-faring urban capitalists that we'd all be better off as impoverished dirt farmers whose boss literally owns their labor.

You're just mad at the world for being beyond your ability to control it

I think you probably meant to reply to somebody else. I agree with you.

I misread your quote, my apologies, user, the traditionalist in this thread has been acting particularly autistic

Stop assuming personal things about me, it makes you sound even more butthurt. Just a word of advice.
And urban capitalist places are almost universally bad, with immense crime rate and pollution.

Its a lot like this in rural towns in the United States.

lol, these responses. His post wasn't even that revolting but it shook you lot to the core somehow.

Why are you commenting on a post you made?

The borderline personality disorder you suffer from is off the charts, I'd hate living in a small town if I were you as well!

feudalists have been btfo'd for centuries now, who knew they were still butthurt?

lols. Me as follows

Dating 19 year old red head I met at the book shop. Open relationship, on my end. Balling several different women, none older than 24.

GF stays at open and watched my son I had with my previous serious relationship.

I work from home. What I do is very lucrative so I only have to do it for about 15 hrs per week. I have a lot of time to grow and develop into a person I am proud of.

My spirituality is not interfered with at all. I don't understand how an internet connection would interfere with my or my parents being Zoroastrian.

I have an excellent diet

Just work on yourself bro you'll make it.

>Calicuckia Persian
I'm going to be sick

aren't you literally not a wagecuck? why did you make this post? just to blog?

lol. I think you just lack the capacity to handle degeneracy or anything that doesn't live up to some lofty ideal of "moral" in your head. I do a liberal amount of drugs, go to a fetish sex club and have tons of partners, and even occasionally shoplift just for the rush of it.

But I have the mental capacity to handle all of that, while also having a full time job with benefits @ 65k/yr which is great for my area. I work out 6x per week and look like a greek statue. Cook organic mostly plant based diet every day for me and my family. And my testosterone level is naturally 987ng/dL. You are just incapable of handling more than rigid order laid out by an authority figure, because your scared to be yourself. You know deep down you will fuck it all up because youre an invalid failure.

Stop blogposting you idiot, take this shit to Facebook.

Damn brah you're fucking BASED. Somebody should do a biopic on your hecking hella cool life.

Not according to the animator from Monty Python.... who also holds a degree in medieval history.

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What is this, feudalism for ants?

>Korean cartoon porn site
>simply referencing being a human is facebook/blog posting
Remember everyone Veeky Forums is only for facts, quotes, and statistics.

>judging 1200's people with current sensibility, the thread
If they were so unhappy there would have been suicides en masse, but guess what it was extremely rare (it was taboo anyway).
Actually the level of happiness was certainly higher than nowadays. A good harvest, a healthy kid, every little thing was a bliss, any good news must have been a shoot of meth in their brain chemistry.
Veterans of WW1 often said they never ever felt so alive than when they were in the trenches, a harsh life provides stronger emotions.

Suicide isn't caused by unhappiness.

>objectively "no"
> your "boss" owned your house, your job, all of your farming equipment, and got to decide for himself when you did and didn't get to work.
>Want to leave, go to town, and learn a trade? Too bad,

nothing stopping you from living in a village in malawi brah. or even some tiny town in your country.

surely, rather than empty words, you're man (or woman) enough to put your money where your mouth is.

prove us wrong user. show us how "redpilled" village life is.

So basically if there arent sucides en masse than people must be happy?

Surely that means basically every society ever bar post soviet lithuania and modern native americans has been happy

You know perfectly what I meant. If they didn't suicide, it means that life was good enough.

You didn't suicide yet but can you truly say your life is good enough?

>prove us wrong user. show us how "redpilled" village life is.
This is where I live.

that's not even remotely the same thing as living under feudalism

>lives near some trees
This proves literally nothing

Stop shifting the goal posts you deranged tranny.

>you are the property of the landlord
There's a difference between serfdom and feudalism.
>you are the backbone of the economy but you see absolutely no returns, you are simply allowed to live and maybe you can make some pittance profits in the minor scale
You are protected in exchange for working on someone else's property on which fruits you get to live on. It's not like every peasant owned the farm they lived on, in fact far from it.

Depends on where you were living. In Britain? The peasant life was a shitty one. Your mud-and-warrble house needing to be rebuilt every couple of years, even sooner if there was a harsh enough rain meant you were constantly cold. Yields off most fields were trash normally, with only the warmer periods giving any bumper crops. But, there was an abundance of meat available to you through fish, pigs, and other small animals in the forest if you could hunt there while gathering fags for the fire. If you did hard manual labour like masonry you could probably enjoy all the beer you could drink for the day. It was pretty weak, but got drink a lot to get big and theres always a ladies ass around for you to slap.

Rural modern life isn't the same thing as feudal life dummy

I agree. That's no way to wear your pants.

>Your mud-and-warrble house needing to be rebuilt every couple of years
Right. That's why there are thousands of them still standing. They were made out of wood.

It's not a contest. I'm lucky, my parents were "wealthy" compared to the rest of the world, what I mean is that you shouldn't judge the life of the people in 1200's with your 2017's sensibility. I'm certain they had more happiness than us in their muddy villages because they simply didn't care of the mudd, they had no other wish than a good weather and a good health.

>violent thugs posing as knights
That would be a regular knight. There's a reason why nobility liked it if they ship away their younger sons to some war instead of letting then run rampant at home.

> look like a greek statue
If you are going to physique mog somebody u have to post picture

live was pretty shitty, and odds are you were a subsistence farmer who was one bad harvest away from going hungry, but considering how pervasive this was I don't think they usually thought about how shitty it was.
>japan
you realize everything you just mentioned sans obesity (and that is more related to cuisine and overall lifestyle I think) is quite prevalent in japan, they just don't talk about it? It's basically a culture of so long as you keep up a normal facade you can do whatever the fuck you want behind closed doors. which begs the question of what is the point if it still is occurring
it was the case until really the last 30 years. but it has pretty much broken down at this point. no one really gives a fuck about what their neighbors think or gossip anymore

I live in a farm anons, and a fairly ancient, rural as fuck and remoted one. And I certainly don't compare my life with the life of my ancestors, I'm just in good position to feel how it was.

>complaining about people shaming each other while shaming a person on an anonymous image board who said people should be shamed more often
really potentiates your peanuts

>odds are you were a subsistence farmer who was one bad harvest away from going hungry
this wasn't even true in the Iron Age.

>in good position to feel how it was.
no

That was a nice luxurious house in the city user. Peasant houses were literally made out of mud, and reinforced with twigs laced with each other and shit as a binding agent. Almost none of them in the countryside were reinforced with wood.

>societies that shame obesity
>China
???