Nazism: Left or Right wing political movement?

Left wing until the SA purge.

They aligned with right wing groups when in a parliamentary democracy, and right and left only exist as relative positions in parliamentary-style democracies.

After 1933 they weren't left or right.

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Nazi's weren't the bad ones, go back to tumblr or reddit kid

It was Caesarian. Which is to say, it breaks out of the left-right paradigm. The pattern it fits into is the triumph of the masses over money.

is Veeky Forums retarded? they were clearly liberals

They were centrists. Liberalism and communism are both lunatic fringe.

>There are bad sides or good sides in history
Lmaoing @ ur life

>pan German

Why are there so many Non Germans who've got a hard on for it? If Germans decided to bring back the Ol' Reich I honestly couldn't care less but its all the non-Germans like Americans trying to LARP as NatSoc that has me fucked up

>Why do non-germans have such a hard on for it
Because Nazi germany represented a very successful attempt at fascism and reactionary politics en mass, and proved that the far right can become powerful. It then became a symbol of fascism and fascistic principles, even more than the faces itself.
>Inb4
>Nazi Germany
>Successful
You gotta admit they a force to be reckoned with , at least.

Nope. It's the Americans who think the Nazis were right wing, because they define the right wing as nazis. If you take into the time period in which the Nazis thrived, they are clearly different from contemporary right wing movements. Unless you of course define the right as different degrees of Nazism, which most on Veeky Forums seem to do.

It is not left wing or right wing, it was ascendant

You made me laugh, gold star for you user, I'm going to start plagiarizing this.

>Nazis weren't reactionary
>Had "gott mitt uns" on their Wehrmacht belts to represent the days of Prussia
>Blood and Soil isn't a right wing concept
>Anti-democratic
>Anti-egalitarian
How are they left wing again? They also privatized industries, sure they nationalized the unions, but they are by no metric a left wing idealogy.

It was a bit of both. A self-centered movement either way.

>reactionary

What do you think right wing means?

Nazi's don't adhere to the left-right dichotomy, nor should they. But, if we have to define it along that axis, it's the farthest point right socially, and somewhat left economically.

Germany is an admirable culture in a lot of ways, and a lot of people have ancestry there.

>and somewhat left economically.
Have you read about the economics of the third reich
Businesses were ran by the state in all but name
They chose what you would make how you would make it how much you could make it how much money you get.
He centralised all major factories and production
He was ultra Keynesianism even Keynes himself praised the economics of the third reich
And Keynsianism is not capitalism or socialism

Keynesianism (and corporatism) is somewhat left.

FPBP

Keynesianism is far left putting Germany in the centre

ok, but to be fair...
...Hitler literally ordered the execution and purge of the left-wing SA

Also worth noting that state power went into the hands of capitalists much more then was used against them.

The 'Fuhrerprinzip' applied in the economic sphere. Your employer had actual political authority over you in the third reich.

>republicans closer to Nazi's then the democrats.

>Keynsianism is father to the left then socialism
Really makes you think...

hitter ordered execution of commies therefore he is actually far right

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Liberalism and communism are both Jewish extremist movements. National socialism is a centralist compromise.

It claimed to be post partisan, but in practice it was right wing and elicited the support of right wing elites.

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I don't think you can use today's definitions for 'right' and 'left' to describe a political ideology of that half of the 20th century. There has too much social progress since.

Politically authoritarian
Economically left after Schacht was sacked
Rethorically far right

>Rethorically

dictionary.com/browse/rhetorically
>of, relating to, or concerned with rhetoric, or the effective use of language.

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Liberalism is centrism, or at least it's supposed to be. Wanna know how I can tell you're a fellow American?

>What do you think right wing means?
smaller government; free market - nazis were neither of these things.
>privatized industries
tell me, how well did that favor the jews? nazis literally did everything for the common 'good' of their race. while centralized to that race, it still practiced socialist (left-wing) economics to achieve their goals.

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>smaller government; free market
Except thats liberalism you moron.
>They practiced collectivizism
While they privatized industries and nationalized the unions? You realize that they were mostly a Keynsian economy, right? The workers did not own the means of production nor did the german economy function around the labor theory of value

Keynseian economcis (and corporatism) are center-left, regardless.

Populism is inhernetly left wing. At the time the conservatives were all either military dictatorships or out and out monarchists. A leader who was (nominally) selected by the will of the people was an inherently revolutionary concept. Add the fact that Nazis professed socialist ideology, and it becomes clear that they were a revolutionary left wing ideology for their time.

Of course, this ignores the fact that Nazis had no real coherent ideology besides "Fuck the Entente, no Jews allowed."

a free market goes hand in hand with capitalism.

>"we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system".
>t. Aldolf Hitler

Definitely right wing.

pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/03/fascism-left-or-right/

pseudoerasmus.com/2015/05/06/fascists-part-2/

Right wing

ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

>The workers did not own the means of production
exactly. what the fuck do you think a socialist/communist state enforces?
protip: government controlled means of production.
ffs. are you retarded?

this shit is retarded

Except capitalism is liberalism

>Nazi Germany didn't have a dictator
Hmm...
>Because Nazi Germany allowed for equal rights under citizenship, granted someone was of German blood, then they were leftist
That would make them liberal , not leftist. Advocating for better working conditions isn't conservative either.

Meanwhile the Nazis also advocated for an end to usury.

Look, the Nazis were a pan German racialist idealogy, whatever supported the Germans the most was what they pursued, and this was a mix of right leaning and left leaning actions. They don't really belong to either group.

I'd say they were more right leaning that left, t b h, but they also advocated for workers rights and had elections which gave them both liberal and leftist leaning policies mixed in with the conservative

Except the neither the government or people owned the means of production in Germany, and socialism is literally just the workers owning the means of producing, which is what happened in Ukraine and Catalonia , before being crushed.

They weren't socialists for wanting to give health insurance to workers and trying guarantee that people had jobs
They were a keynesian economy

Not really

I'm an Australian actually, lardburger

>nazi party wasn't bad but the tumblr site is
Imagine being so poisoned by ideology

>democrats are the real racists xD
Why don't you go back to /pol/

>reddit Americans have become so brainwashed by each other that they are seriously debating whether nazism was anything other than an extreme right wing movement

Actual European here, not an Amerifat larper. National socialism had a chance to become right wing but they blew it by their embrace of modernist (mostly fascist) doctrines and telling monarchists to fuck off. They're centrists at best, but you can't be right wing without being a monarchist.

>to be right wing you have to be a monarchist feudalist reactionary

The Nazis did come from socialist thought and intelligentsia though. Eugenics and 'improving humanity' was a popular field of socialist thought before the Nazis discredited the field.

The Nazis were sexual bohemians and only promoted traditionalism to develop political and cultural alliances and to herd the masses. They had massive government programs and subsidies. The only 'betrayal' of socialism was their negotiation with corporations.

Fascism literally defines the far-right. Nobody calls ancaps or monarchists far-right even though they technically are. The left and right are defined by egalitarianism and acceptance of social strata, respectively. The quasi-Keynesian economics of the NSDAP are of secondary importance to the ideology and only brought up as evidence of being left wing by patriotard "muh property rights" burgerfats.

Socialism in such broad terms is fucking meaningless. The Nazis had a mixed economy like virtually everyone else in history anywhere, oh wow. Free market capitalism and pure command economies are more autistic ideals than real economic states.

>shit i made up with no historical proofs

>Liberalism and communism are both Jewish extremist movements. National socialism is a centralist compromise.
Wrong. National SOCIALISM and Bolshevism are the same marxist crap.

National Socialism is far-left, Judeohitlerism is far-right

How is Nazis being left-wing less retsrded thsn them being right wing?

Never mind, begone troll. This is why the political compass includes not only degrees of economic freedom but personal freedom as well. And how come centrism is a hardbconcept foe you guys to figure?

>dude lmao they both use red colour on their propaganda pic so they are the same, republicans and democrats are basicaly Bolshevik Party because they have propagation leaflets

fipbip, i mean you only have to take hitler quotes and consider how fucking vague they are to come to this conclusion. When it came to persuasive ambiguity, there were noone better.

Again, no. You define right wing as nazism, and thus thing the nazis were right.
>Nazis weren't reactionary
No they weren't by the standards of the day. Early 20th century reactionaries would have been monarchists. Nazis did not want to "return" to any real status quo. Highlight the word real before you claim that Hitler fantasizing about some never-existing German superiority is reactionary.
>Anti-democratic
.. democracy is leftist now? Anti-democracy is neither left or right wing.
>How are they left wing again?
Where did I say they were leftist. Nazis and fascism were quite honestly a third way option that can't be pinpointed to a single position on the x,y scale. New man, new family. new government. They were progressives without the connotations of the word we have today.

Also,
>They also privatized industries, sure they nationalized the unions, but they are by no metric a left wing idealogy.
So what do you then define as leftism? Social Democracy is not a form of leftism do you?

That is a retarded compass. Thanks for trying to explain it though.

Yes.

This cartoon is actually pretty fucking accurate. I am guessing it's from before 1933 though. After Hitler came to power he clearly sided with the establishment.

Pic related, they weren't even pretending any more.

Hitler and Hindenburg hated each other. Hitler just had to play a good boy until Hindenburg died because he feared the power and influence the old guy still had.

North Korea calls itself both democratic and a republic. By that logic...

>Representative DEMOCRACY and Jucheism are the same republican crap

You are probably American so you can't help being fed propaganda through the mother' milk from the day they cut your penis, but you could at least make an effort to alleviate your ignorance.

Literally and unironically centrist

Its beyond left and right you faggot.

its democratic and its republic tho

Fugg :DDD

>>(as if) Nazi Germany didn't have dictator *smugface mcsmug*

Military dictatorship and civil dictatorship are different things, you moron.

Jfc at least consult the Wikipedia before opening your mouth like pic related.

That was over 200 years ago, you mongrel.

Imagine being so retarded that on top of falling for the right-left dichotomy meme you ignore perhaps the most important 200 years of human development.

A revolutionary far-right movement.

This, Strasser's Nazi party actually cared about the workers. Unlike Hitler, who made Germany and its workers puppets of bourgeoisie.

Calling a socialist party left-wing is less stupid than calling them right-wing.

Fuck off primitive.

>kill socialists, privatize industry, deem the only socialist country in the world your arch-enemy
>support ultranationalist to the point of being a literal retard (Jewish physics)
>"nah man them nazis were socialists to boot"

You have no fucking clue, do you? Racial segregation has no place in primarily workers' movements.

Wow, it's like you managed to be the one thing that's even worse

Ok, but to be fair...

...Nazis did expand the private sector tremendously, so much infact the word 'privatisation' was coined in reference to the regime.

Nazis are totalitarian fascists with a penchant for race baiting but their key defining trait is anti-egalitarianism which makes them explicitly nonsocialist.

>smaller government; free market

>He still believes in the left-right discectomy

Both. It's typically filed under right wing, but the usual fascist focus on the good of the state (and through it, the people) was pretty collectivist. Add on top of that how deeply Nazism embraced eugenics, a definitively progressive idea at the time.