Discussion of Apartheid South Africa

I've got an interest in a lot of 20th century African history, and I was wondering if there were any good books, movies, or other sources on the Apartheid South African government, from 1948-91. Anything on Rhodesia or Rhodesia Zimbabwe would be cool too.
>inb4 /pol/
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Read Osprey Publishing’s books on the topic, filled with info graphics and a clear outline of events.

South Africa or Rhodesia? I know /k/ loves the "Rhodies never die" meme. Osprey is good though, so if they do have stuff on South Africa that'd be cool

Mainly Rhodesia. In some books they cover South Africa briefly but they don’t discuss apartheid for obvious reasons.
Rhodies never die never forget 1980

Ah well. Thanks for the suggestions. I'm not really sure where I can get a lot of good info on apartheid. I wouldn't look at South African resources, whether they be government or "objective" Afrikaner ones. I don't really approve of the whole idea behind apartheid, but I find the nation's affairs very interesting.

>rhodesia
delete this garbage hail to the king of Afrika

>teleports behind you
Heh. Nothin personal

I live for shit like this.

well i can tell you the TV was whit. there was TV1 and TV4. TV2 and TV3 were bantu stations.

also: if you were anglo, you were the bad guy of the national story - anglos were basically the exculpatory device - the jews of south africa. even worse than the actual jews (of which there were plenty).

also, there were lots of racially loaded jokes. my favourite was "why don't portugal ever get to the world cup final? because every time they get a corner they set up a corner shop"

this is because of all the porras who ended up in SA after the fall of angola and mozambique.

my dad was in the SADF in angola. he hated every minute of it. he told me stories about being on guard duty and being super paranoid because he'd smoked weed before patrolling the wire. he also told me about being CASEVAC'd from the border with a guy who'd shot his heel off because he'd got a "dear john" letter from his girlfriend. poor bastard.

also all the porn was censored so you had stars on all the good bits. damned rockspiders and their bullshit censorship.

>"why don't portugal ever get to the world cup final? because every time they get a corner they set up a corner shop"

>he's never bought a lucky packet and a bag of ghostbusters from da silva's corner mart and shoppe with his pocket money

pleb

You are a South African politician in 1948. Your party just won elections and made you PM.

What policies do you implement?
What would you do differently?

don't implement apartheid.

gradually widen suffrage and institute a british style welfare state. gold revenues and increasing industrialisation will pay forf that shit.

if you want a national narrative, the bulwark against communism works just fine if you co-opt the blacks into the fight and don't be dicks to them (i.e. give them the vote, social mobility and a reason to oppose pan africanism and/or communism).

irrespective of what happens, the end result is better than what we have now. this timeline is the worst timeline for SA.

Well the best long-term option would be implement policies to try to ensure the smoothest transition to majority rule while keeping the commies at bay. That would mean an intensive education program couple with some kind of progressive voting policies that would allow for increasing enfranchisement of the nonwhites as they became more qualified to vote. And to ensure that black nationalism doesn't fuck everyone in the end, you'd have to have groups of black leaders shown the ropes and trained extensively on running the government.

Ideally, that should eliminate the two biggest problems postcolonial nations ran into - an uneducated electorate pushing for vindictive policies in response to past oppression and inequalities and poorly prepared leaders who often times had spent their entire careers as soldiers rather than politicians.

Plus, by using all these social programs, it can keep commies from gaining a foothold.

Realistically, though, the Afrikaners would never do something thinking that far ahead.

What if they never got independence from Dutchland?

They didn't get independence, it was the Anglos who took the Cape Colony from the Dutch

>Cause we're-
>ALL RHODESIANS AND WE'LL FIGHT THROUGH THICK AND THIN

Honestly, staying the course and being a rogue state would've been the best course of action.

No, the worst timeline is when whites decide not to give up power, radicalize further, and nuke their own population

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in here OP

Listen to Jan Smuts instead of Hertzog

The fate of Africa discusses it quite throughly as well the rest of post colnial Africa

Here's the thing. Developing South Africa for all would make Whites be completely irrelvant and under the control of Blacks. SA's (colony and independent) entire suite of polices revolved making sure that Blacks and Coloureds NEVER HAVE POWER.

truly a great man

Also gradual suffrage is a meme because it can be delayed, shot dead in it's tracks and interrupted by the interment being dicks. People don't want to wait to "earn" the right to vote.

If colonial South Africa was willing to fuck up poor whites to deny Coloreds and Blacks the vote by putting in barriers and increasing to enfranchisement to bar non-whites you can be sure it will do what I just said.

Ideology in Africa/East Asia/ME =/= what it is in the West. Commie stuff is an ends to a means, if U.S gave support they'd jump instant hardcore pro-American faction,group etc and vice versa.

Also South Africa and Rhodesia often painted their racial strife as a Cold War thing (even if it existed before that lol) to garner support and reluctant hesitancy among certain other nations.

Carve out the South African state into several different entities.

Hereby the Blacks will be given their own land on the condition that whites shall have their own aswell. Afterwards, there shall be mass migrations conducted that will result into the coastline a white Afrikaans speaking nation named Orania, and the inland an independent bantu state.

Finally, give the blacks some development money for the inconvencience and try to guide them but keep the borders of Boer state shut for non-western migration.

What I don't know is on what to do with all the coloureds/mixed people. Any suggestions?