Is anti-americanism justified...

Is anti-americanism justified? I've always failed to see how the USA is worse than the previous empires throughout history.

>I've always failed to see how the USA is worse than the previous empires throughout history.

Does that matter? They should be held responsible for the things that they've done

Whether it's worse then previous examples is irrelevant. It still does wrong.

Do we say thieves are innocent just because murderers exist?

>I've always failed to see how the USA is worse than the previous empires throughout history

Which is an excellent statement to just how effective a regime it is. It doesn't matter how many death squads it funds, how many military juntas are propped up, COINTELPRO, political assassination, straight up genocidal bombing campaigns. The US only ever targets the poorest, most vulnerable societies so why would people like you care?

I think one of the reason is American hypocrisy. USA has a pretty high moral values (world police, bringer of demorcay, international law), yet it fails to live up to those.

>justified
What are trying to imply?

socialists are an envious and spiteful people

the usa has a history of going toe-to-toe with empires and defeating them so its laughable to say we fight with spies.
>genocidal bombing campaign
cry more wehraboo its not gonna bring the nazis back

American imperialism is just so vapid and uninspiring. Poor aesthetics, laughable propaganda, and no direction or real aspirations. It's clown tier imperialism, just hanging out until something else comes along.

Great example. Talks about bringing democracy, but literally doesn't even know what democracy is. It's limp-wristed, feel good propaganda from people too weak-minded to even appreciate why it's not the truth.

American imperialism is not about democracy, but rather a form of moderate oligarchy. But I waste my breath, if you cared you'd recall all those times you were told that Ancient Athens gave birth to democracy, and then you would actually try opening a classical text.

As long as people from your country watch our movies, TV, and vacation here the US empire will never die

>going toe-to-toe with empires and defeating them
britain - france does most of the fighting
germany - france, britain & russia do most of the fighting
japan - smashed a barely industrialized small island
soviet union - fucked around about "spheres of influence" until soviet union decides to collapse

anything else?

>its laughable to say we fight with spies
lol

>genocidal bombing campaign
Korea & Vietnam come to mind

The USA isn't an empire and whether it is "worse" than other powers throughout history is fallacious in terms of whether criticism of its actions are valid or not.

do the spanish empire now you dishonest faggot.
>they did most of the fighting!
really? by what measure? last time I checked the USA opened more fronts and pushed the enemy back more times than the rest of the allies combined in all of those wars. I guess losing battles is your idea of fighting, being some faggot who cries about the horrors of war from his armchair. Also, we fought in the boxer rebellion so thats another empire that cowtowed to us.

>Spanish Empire
>1900s

was it not a real empire? Did it not match your marxist cryabby worldview when we singelhandely destroyed an Empire and reduced it to a crown?

oh yeah, I almost forgot that you crushed some underequipped spaniards at the end of few centuries of them crashing their "empire" and being exhausted from previous wars.
>by what measure?
By the measure of them being involved in heavy combat for years and you coming in at the end, when it's easy to open new fronts and push back exhausted armies with fresh troops.

>we fought in the boxer rebellion
Helped the brits, so you wouldn't lose your part of the opium business. good job

Fuck off

>the USA cam in at the end
really? the western front wasnt even opened on continental Europe before we showed up and the Germans still had reserves of troops as well as Romania and Italy to help them fight. As for the Japanese they hadnt faced a single defeat at Sea or air until the Americans joined the fight so your assumptions that they were on the brink of defeat is ridiculous. Fresh troops are supposed to be worse fighters than experienced ones because they do not have the same experience, yet we still won because were not lightweights like the French who signed a peace a treaty that started a civil war in their empire.

This is a simple point but a good one. So many people caterwaul about the evils of the United States while gladly partaking of our influence.

those are some pretty guns, I bet none of them are automatic because your whiny ass couldn't get the liscense.

I'm not calling for American influence to be eliminated ASAP. I don't have a burning hatred of moderate oligarchy, and so long as technology continues to develop and I am free to speak my mind, I will be reasonably patient and satisfied.

You have autism. Fully automatic guns cost a minimum of $10,000, you have to pay a tax and give up all your rights in the process (ATF can search at any time) plus you can't aim for shit with full auto.

Life isn't a video game, it's a useless waste of money and I could get a $400 trigger that fires once with a pull and once with a release that does roughly the same thing with more accuracy

the EU is an oligarchy, the US is not

Kek.

you cant shoot up places with a shitty semi, user. Gotta keep up appearances
>more insults and no refutations
Spanish Empire got raped by the USA fuck euros and all their empires are dead along with Japs' fuck their king's corpses and fuck the queen of england

>he believes that


Democracy is inherently oligarchic

>Democracy is inherently oligarchic
maybe if you're illiterate
blocked

Yeah, those Americans really showed those tercios what was - oh wait

The title "empire" doesn't mean shit when there's nothing less and they get BTFO by a republic

We fucked those spics up, I'm just telling you it wasn't an empire

>blocked

Where do you think you are?

>germany

russia did like 85% of the work, the US did most of the rest

The modern USA is a plutocratic oligarchy
>A study conducted by political scientists Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University was released in April 2014, which stated that their "analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts." The study analyzed nearly 1,800 policies enacted by the US government between 1981 and 2002 and compared them to the expressed preferences of the American public as opposed to wealthy Americans and large special interest groups. It found that wealthy individuals and organizations representing business interests have substantial political influence, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little to none.

Had things gone differently in you elections 4 of your last 5 president said would have been of the same 2 families.
Several of your states are dominated by political families, who provide mayors, governors and congressmen.

>expressed preferences of the American public
literally just polls with no actual proof that were an oligarchy. Besides, our own constitution outlines our government as more people than an oligarchy but less than a democracy. Hence, the republic.

Lmao killing me here.

Okay fellow citizen of the great american democracy, I'll see you next week at the assembly. What's that, we have zero authority in the legislature to propose or vote on any issues or laws, and will be ejected if we try? Huh weird, I guess we can only help pick who serves as a lord.

Well, I'm sure I'll see you there when we are selected for our term as oligarchs through the democratic process of sortition. Huh, what's that, we fill offices by voting, which is exactly what people like Aristotle termed oligarchic? Shit.

Well, I guess I'll see you at the criminal courthouse as we prosecute the worst parts of our community. Huh, what's that? Only oligarchs have authority to prosecute charges?

At least I'll see you on the jury, then we can truly enforce our, uhh I mean the "representative" oligarchs', laws. Huh? There are judges that control the process and dictate the law to us, there are only 6 to 12 people who typically deliberate, rules of evidence restrict what we hear, and we can be struck off the jury for cause or for no reason at all?

Well, at least we, as citizens, will variously hold administrative offices throughout our lives. Huh, what's that, we have direct elections rather than sortition, with two major parties that have special privileges and public funding? Only a tiny, tiny minority of the citizenry will ever head a public office?

This democracy is very interesting, dare I go on?

Oh I forgot, those arsehole lords who don't carry out our will, we can impeach them! Huh, what's that, citizens don't have the authority to impeach their officials? There is no initial review of their eligibility, and no later process of euthynai??

I honestly could keep going on. It's a moderate oligarchy. Any actual democrat would lose their mind if they saw the modern "representative" government trying to call itself democratic.

I think the USA is an oligarchy but this is a weird and incoherent rant tbqh.

States can hold popular votes on laws, user. As for representatives, there are too many government officials with the power to aminster the country to say were an oligarchy which could traditionally be seated at a table to preside over the entire country. Like the senate of rome.

Incoherent if the reader has literally never read a classical text discussing democracy

Nothing about oligarchy requires that every single official be able to sit at the same table.

In the West, public authority does not rest with the citizenry. The commoner does not have any say in government, only a vote to decide who the next lord will be (and only for positions that are actually elected by the public at large, and only in the immediate area they live). Common citizens are barred from the legislative body, they are either barred or heavily restricted from the courts, and they have no duty to carry out administrative functions of the state, only to pay various taxes like a non-citizen worker.

Direct elections are explicitly described as oligarchic in Classical texts such as Aristotle's Politics. They're also not the sole determining factor of whether a system is broadly democratic or not.

The Western system has shown that it can transfer power between oligarchs without too much trouble in times of peace and prosperity. That's nothing to sneeze at, but it's a separate discussion from that of democracy.

t. John Smith, proud Christian, diabetic gun-owner