Japan dude like stop genociding chinese people and supporting germany who genocides people too

>I still get why people think a tiny bomb that obliterates a city is a big deal

The Japanese were too confused about wtf just happened and needed another demonstration, keep in mind one bomb annihilating a city was akin to magic back then

Funny thing is it was basically completely useless, the Japs surrendered because the Soviets declared war on them and not because the Americans were able to destroy japanese cities now with one bomb instead of thousands.

>The Soviets invading Manchuria is what ended the war
>Not the fact a single American bomber can do the work of several hundred in one go on any city in Japan from Kagoshima to Hakodate
Yeah OK Ivan

Most historians today say it was both.

"These "twin shocks"—the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and the Soviet entry—had immediate profound effects on Prime Minister Suzuki and Foreign Minister Tōgō Shigenori, who concurred that the government must end the war at once.[91]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#August_9:_Soviet_invasion_and_Nagasaki

They also took the Kuril islands which the Japs to this day still consider their own clay. They were afraid the Soviet Union will occupy more holy japanese land. Nuclear bombs did fuck all. It's like saying the Nazis capitulated because the Brits destroyed Dresden.

Except that Dresden didn't matter to anyone except Goebbels propaganda machine, where as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the most important naval assets behind Kure and a nuke hitting Tokyo would be game over, sorry user they feared that more than the Soviet Warrior

t. dummies
Japan had their own nuclear program and were well aware of the theoretical feasibility of a nuclear bomb. It wasn't 'like magic'. The fact of the matter was that the destruction of cities was in the words of the Japanese High Command "not a pressing issue for the defense of the homeland". By the time the A-bombs were dropped the American air force was already running out of targets to bomb. Practically every Japanese city had already been obliterated to a greater degree than Hiroshima & Nagasaki. If losing cities was a major concern for the JHC, they would have surrendered well before the A-bombs were used when it was clear their cities were totally defenseless against an unending stream of sorties launched day and night with no end in sight.

The Nuclear bombs did not change the fundamental calculus of why Japan refused to capitulate if we consider Japan's war aims at the time being to bleed America into agreeing to a negotiated peace through tenacious defense of the home islands. (While the Nuclear bombs were effective against static above-ground targets like cities, they were magnitudes less effective at the tactical level against heavily dug in or mobile defenders)

>They were afraid the Soviet Union will occupy more holy japanese land.
FDR literally would have let the USSR Hokkaido and occupy the northern half of Honshu.

*USSR take

The only reason why the Axis didn't seriously try to build a nuclear bomb was because the cost-calctulation side of it is just awful.

The Manhattan Project cost the US government around half a trillion in 2017 dollars. And all that for something, that at the end of the day is nothing else than a big bomb. The american government distributed flyers among the japanese population in which they explained that they can build a bomb that is as powerful as 2000 "normal" bombs.

Now imagine the cost-calculation side of it. Spend 500 billion on a couple of bombs that are as powerful as a couple of thousand bombs, or spend those 500 billion on hundreds of thousands of bombs, plus planes, ammunition, ships, etc... at the end of the day the cost calculation aspect didnt make sense. The US were only able to build it because they had MUCH more disposable budget. For the US the restricting ressource was actually man-power. They had basically too few soldiers, but too many dollars. So they invested that money into nukes.

Perhaps they were foreseeing the advance of rocket technology that actually made nuclear warheads a good idea, where the ratio of amount of bang to the amount of mass is the most important concern by a far margin.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_weapon_project
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_nuclear_weapon_program

The Germans wanted to skip fusion altogether and go straight to fission. I read somewhere that Japan was literally working on a microwave death ray instead of nuclear weapons (although that might be bullshit).

The shock of the Soviet entry was not so much the military aspect, but the fact that the Soviets had been giving Japanese diplomats the idea that they would mediate a peace between Japan and the US, right up to the day the Soviets declared war. The Japanese forces in China and Korea were already stripped of their heavy equipment and veteran troops in 1944 to defend the home islands. The American blockade also meant that raw materials from Manchuria and Korea were not making it back to Japan for processing.

In effect, the Soviet offensive cut off troops that were written off anyways, and resources that weren't going to make it to Japan anyways. The blow is giving Japan a tantalizing hope of a conditional surrender and then urinating in their face.

> The only reason why the Axis didn't seriously try to build a nuclear bomb was because the cost-calctulation side of it is just awful.

Instead, Germany developed the V2/V1 programs, which would cost more than the Manhattan project and B-29 combined.

Imperial Japanese deserved genocide.

>The shock of the Soviet entry was not so much the military aspect, but the fact that the Soviets had been giving Japanese diplomats the idea that they would mediate a peace between Japan and the US, right up to the day the Soviets declared war.
I know it worked, but that seems extremely underhanded. Thanks user.

This actually was trashed in the Tehran Conference. AKA a meme

Imperial Japanese literally backstabbed, betrayed, and genocided countless allies over the preceding two decades.
You do what you have to do.

The development of the A4 rocket was nowhere even close to that of the Manhattan Project.

Are you sure? I could have sworn that FDR was okay with it and it was only with his death and Truman's insistence that this plan was trashed.

That's entirely fair.

development cost*

What DOES genocide mean?

>Imperial Japanese literally backstabbed, betrayed, and genocided countless allies over the preceding two decades.
Such as?

>Genociding a city

Just...

"We dropped one bomb, we didn't hear anything, we dropped another and they surrendered."

But hey, don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'.

Plus "one plane, one bomb, one city" is sort of Game Over for an ongoing war.

War isust about what you can destroy, it is about what you can do to the enemy's will to fight on -- how you can get inside his head.

One bomb, one city has psychological impact than "we can keep on building lots o bombs like we've been doing all along."

> The German V-weapons (V-1 and V-2) cost the equivalent of around USD $40 billion (2015 dollars), which was 50 percent more than the Manhattan Project that produced the atomic bomb.[12]:178 6,048 V-2s were built, at a cost of approximately 100,000 Reichsmarks (GB£2,370,000 (2011)) each

> The V-2 consumed a third of Germany's fuel alcohol production and major portions of other critical technologies:[61] to distil the fuel alcohol for one V-2 launch required 30 tonnes of potatoes at a time when food was becoming scarce.

>Genociding a city
>Genociding
>ing
>A fucking city

We need scorched Earth policies on /pol/ users.

It's not the action itself, but the ramifications and implications that come with it. It took 50000 bombs to compare to what two bombs did, it's sobering, it's scary, and it's unnecessary to have that much power in such a small container.

weebs don't exist

>Imperial Japanese literally backstabbed, betrayed, and genocided countless allies over the preceding two decades.

Name one.

Not really. Especially considering there weren't any more cities to bomb.

>By genociding two of your cities
>Genociding two of your cities
>Genociding your cities
>Genocing
>Cities

There were actually plans to drop nukes on four cities.

good post

Does an act of ethnic cleansing cease to be an act of ethnic cleansing if it is committed at only one village?

The atom bombings were not genocidal but your reasoning for why they are not is wrong.

Soviets canceled the nonaggression pact in April of 1945. That's not a strong enough hint for you?

>Japanese prepared to fight Americans to by arming a fanatic militia
>Soviets declare war
Time to surrender the scary soviets invaded!

Take Stalin's cock out of your mouth and think about this for 3 seconds

>-t. Ivan Ivanovitch Vatnikov

The point was a crippling of the Japanese military industry and demoralization of the Japanese people. The U.S had no intentions of ethnic cleansing, they even gave plentiful warnings to evacuate. I'm calling out OPs stupid statement, not giving my definition of genocide.