Stalin ordered Red army to stop so Home Army was destroyed by Germans

>Stalin ordered Red army to stop so Home Army was destroyed by Germans
Where did this meme started?

It was started by Stalin. Because he ordered it, and refused Allied supply flights the use of Russian airfields while resupplying the Poles.

>Russians give AK signal to start the uprising in wake of Soviet Advance
>AK do it but need supplies
>Russians refuse to send them any or advance to Warsaw, they also refuse Brits to use their airfields to supply them
>AK gets wiped out because of this
it was a calculated move by Stalin to destroy any hope for the Poles to have an independent government and what better way to do it than completely cripple their army remnants and resistance?

>or advance to Warsaw
citation needed

Literally why else would Rokossovsky delay the march on Warsaw?

RED VULTURES AWAITING OUR END

A HOME BEHIND, THE ENEMY'S LINES

>Stalin wants a puppet communist state in Poland
>the only thing that stands in his way of this is the Home Army
>the Home Army needs your help against the Germans
>let the Germans crush them, then crush the Germans
simple really

the amazing thing is how long the Poles lasted, without reinforcements and using homemade weapons they went toe to toe against 2 SS Divisions for 2 months. Battle hardened German troops called Warsaw the harshest house to house fighting since Stalingrad, against Polish partisans with little to no combat experience. Insane

If you're talking about Berling he got sacked for what he did

When the poles got freed from communism. They intentionally didn't wait for the Soviet army advance, because they wanted to liberate themselves.Guess what, they failed and when they succeeded after 50 years, they started to meme.

>They intentionally didn't wait for the Soviet army advance
But they only made the decision to launch the uprising when Soviet armour was in Wolowin

Historical sources.

Nice sabaton reference

Warsaw in summer 1944
>1 million civilians
>Priceless architecture, center of Polish culture with its museums, archives, collections
>Only 1 in 5 insurgents there can be provided with a gun
>Elite SS divisions stationed nearby to fight the Soviets
>Air dominated by Luftwaffe
>Soviet Union acts hostile towards Polish Home Army, any sort of help is doubtful

Warsaw Uprising was the biggest sepukku of ww2. Komorowski, Jankowski and others should had been tried for agreeing to start it.

>Warsaw Uprising was the biggest sepukku of ww2. Komorowski, Jankowski and others should had been tried for agreeing to start it.

After five years of brutal German oppression, the Polish people would have spontaneously started the uprising even if the Home Army’s leadership had been opposed to it.

How can French """""resistance"""""" even compete?

by not starting uprising that forces germans to raze paris into ruins i guess
the only resistance that did stuff right was yugoslavia
>liberate themselves
>tell stalin to fuck off

Favour of majority does not always mean the best for it. So what if Soviets would bring another occupation? Warsaw would still get rid of old oppressor that murdered Poles for racial ideologies. And without losing hundreds thousands of civilians, cultural heritage and largest resistance movement in area.

>better to die on your feet than live on your knees!

Bullshit. It's better to live on your knees a little while, so you can act freely for your homeland once it's liberated, rather than die out of selfish pride.

And where is yogoslavia now?

>soviets reach end of campaign
>need to rest and resupply for the next campaign
>retarded poles rise up and decide rescue is imminent
>Zhukov rightly says "fuck off, we've just marched hundreds of miles"
>poles hold eternal grudge against russians

It died with Tito. It's a hard job keeping slavs from killing each other.

Uprising didn't force Germans to raze Warsaw, it happened after it ended. It was just German autism.
>Bullshit. It's better to live on your knees a little while, so you can act freely for your homeland once it's liberated, rather than die out of selfish pride.

>Bend the knee
>Oh I see you was a part of home army, it would be a shame if you were tortured to death, or/and accused of cooperation with Germans and executed either way
>Oh I see you have higher education...

>soviets reach end of campaign
>need to rest and resupply for the next campaign

That would explain, why they didn't allow allies to use their airfields to help Poles. Oh wait, it wouldn't.

You're right user, it's better to obliterate yourself over abstract concepts.

Use of the airfields or lack therefore has no bearing on whether or not the Soviets were capable of launching an offensive into Poland (successfully) in late 1944.

From our perspective uprising was retarded option, but people back then didn't know, that it would fail for sure.

If they didn't want the poles to die, they could have let the Allies use the airfields to supply them, simple as that

That's still utterly irrelevant as to whether or not they were capable of launching an offensive.

You are just moving goalposts. All they had to do, is to allow allies to help Poles, that would be enough for them to have "clean hands", and they could wait whatever many months it took to resupply their own army. Without it, it's pretty clear, that they aimed for destruction of Home Army.

>You are just moving goalposts

That would be you. I haven't moved an iota from my original point, that the USSR was not able to launch an offensive into Poland at the end of 1944.

You've been rambling about airfields and letting the poles die and such, and as I've pointed out a couple of times, it's irrelevant to what I said.

I still wanna see a source for that claim that Stalin/Zhukov/Rokosovsky ordred to stop, Glantz said that Red army tried to reach Warsaw from both sides+ Berling´s troops across the river.

Not the other user, but you're deleusional. The Red Army stopped less than three days away from Warsaw because they didn't want to see an independent Polish state government. The other uprisings in Eastern Poland had been helped, and the Soviets realized that when they had freed the cities, the Poles wanted to establish their old country again.

So the Soviets sent all the partisans and soldiers to Siberia to get rid of political dissidents early. In Warsaw, Poland's former capital, this wasn't an option because the Allies would undoubtedly know what happened before the Soviets could get rid of everyone. There was too much risk of being exposed toppling another country's government, THE country everyone had started a world war over.

So, they just let the Poles die and waited for new troops, equipment, and supplies for an overwhelming offensive instead of moving in with the already-adequate supplies and men they had to take Warsaw with the partisans.

>2 months to prepare an offensive
>when two offensives had been launched with a couple of weeks' notice
>and some with just days after the previous offensive
>implying the Soviets didn't intentionally sack the Poles to have a puppet government afterwards

Patton was right. We had the men, the Germans, and the nukes. We should have dropped Lend-Lease and bombed the shit out of them.

>Declassified documents from Soviet archives reveal that Stalin gave instructions to cut off the Warsaw resistance from any outside help. The urgent orders issued to the Red Army troops in Poland on 23, August 1944 stipulated that the Home Army units in Soviet-controlled areas should be prevented from reaching Warsaw and helping the Uprising, their members apprehended and disarmed. Only from mid-September, under pressure from the Western Allies, the Soviets began to provide some limited assistance to the resistance.[136]

>Patton was right. We had the men, the Germans, and the nukes. We should have dropped Lend-Lease and bombed the shit out of them.

You should have tried, at least. It would be droll to have the Red Army reach La Manche.

>We had the men
no
>the Germans
How is it an advantage
>and the nukes
you dont and you cant deliver them

>We had the nukes
Not in fucking April you didn't

>red army spilling their blood to liberate poland
>hey lets do a token "uprising" right when they have died their way into poland so we can take all the credit
>surprised and angry when the soviets don't want to go along with the plan

Why were encircled Soviet soldiers interrogated, after being freed from German encirclement, then half arrested, or stripped of positions? Why did the SU prisoners get tossed from the German camps from which they were liberated, to Soviet prisons, and then gulags?

Why would letting the Huns escape, to keep the Visigoths in check, be in any way surprising to you?

Stop playing the fool, you disingenuous rat.

>>red army spilling their blood to liberate poland
>liberate
Why are Russians so delusional?

There was no SS at Stalingrad.

> by not starting uprising that forces germans to raze paris into ruins i guess

Hitler ordered the destruction of Warsaw _before_ the Warsaw Uprising.

He also ordered the destruction of Paris but his general disobeyed orders.

>Favour of majority does not always mean the best for it. So what if Soviets would bring another occupation?

The Soviets executed another 100,000 Poles after "liberating" Poland.

The Home Army was well aware of Soviet atrocities against Poles during the war and as the Soviets pushed the Germans back, the goal was to establish a independent government in Poland (guaranteed by the Allies) prior to the arrival of the Soviets.

I'll add that Stalin was regularly broadcasting exhortations to the Poles to fight the Germans, as the Soviets were on their way to liberate the country.

And finally, it's simply Polish nature to resist the enemy. During the 150 years of the Partitions, each generation of Poles rose up in rebellion, only to be slapped down by the occupiers with the next generation rising up regardless.

>the amazing thing is how long the Poles lasted, without reinforcements and using homemade weapons they went toe to toe against 2 SS Divisions for 2 months.
Why is that amazing? Germans were notoriously shit at urban warfare.

>And finally, it's simply Polish nature to resist the enemy.
>don't resist the enemy until the big brother Soviets are right at the door steps

>>>/leftypol/

Not to mention that the SS were notoriously rubbish against anyone but unarmed civilians.

with qts

>people think the guy who invaded Poland and carried out the Katyn massacre and mass deportation of Poles to Siberia wouldn't have been thrilled at the Nazis taking out any future polish nationalist opposition to communist rule in Poland and would have had qualms about a few extra thousand poles getting slaughtered by nazis

How did this meme start

Polacks are not whi-

>invaded the Poland
weird way how to spell liberated Western Ukraine and Belorussia

t. tankie scum

t. Zionist Trot

>western Ukraine
You mean the place that is currently fighting a proxy war with Russia?

yes

>wanting to live under communism
>wanting to live under Russians
lets be honest here, if you were in their shoes you wouldve done the exact same thing

you smelly vatnik fuck

here we go