How did they manage again and again to become the dominant power in Europe?

How did they manage again and again to become the dominant power in Europe?

Germany is literally in the exact center of Europe, meaning that it will always be a trading hub. This curse of being surrounded on all sides doomed Germany in both world wars, but during peacetime, being in the center of everything is a huge benefit. In addition, Germany has always had a very high literacy rate, which isn't as much of an advantage today(since high literacy is the norm now), but historically it was big deal.

>This curse of being surrounded on all sides doomed Germany in both world wars, but during peacetime, being in the center of everything is a huge benefit.
Then why was Germany so eager to start wars?

In their case, it really is autism. They have a huge sheep mentality.

This.No individualism.

Well, that's the problem with giving the military so much independent authority. In 1914, the German military was able to activate the Schieffelin plan without being forced to consult with the civilian government first. Basically, a small group of generals was making a huge gamble that the rest of the country just kinda had to go along with. In books which discuss this in greater detail, it is often suggested that if the businessmen of Germany had more influence on the government, the war might of not happened, precisely because the businessmen were more likely to understand the benefits of Germany's peacetime position. But in 1914, the only person who had the ability to veto the General Staff was the Kaiser himself, and Wilhelm II was the sort of person who tended to go along with whatever the Generals wanted.

Work hard, and already have a great industry

Militant, collectivist culture spread by smart, realist Prussian leaders, with favorable geography and relatively high population. Nowadays its just the latter two points, but that's more favorable in the current geopolitical reality.

Lots of past opportunities for expansion too, Central Europe is almost synonymous with "German" and anywhere east of Germany was almost too easy to expand into.

>Germany
>Dominant power of Europe
lmao it’d literally just an American colony now

>tfw your country is the most dominant power in Europe
>you dont even live in Europe

good fucken feel man

Because the Pussian-led North Germans won the war against the Austrian-led South Germans.

Undeniably this.
>people copy american fashion
>people consume and copy american media
>people always have an opinion on american politics and use similar rhetoric in their own countries
>Youth culture is nearly the same as in America

>germany
>dominant power
>ever
do people actually believe this

>Hollywood culture is American culture

Germany is certanly the dominant power in Europe

"Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939)

Pretty sure most historians agree that Germany attacked Poland and not the other way around

They have no say in diplomacy or military.

I don't undertand what you mean. Germany is the most important diplomatic power in EU.
Macron just made his EU proposal, and is pleading for German approval

Polish army assault on the Gleiwitz radio station?

>The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a false flag operation by Nazi Germans posing as Poles on 31 August 1939, against the German radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz, Upper Silesia, Germany (today Gliwice, Poland) on the eve of World War II in Europe.

That's EU internal business, not world diplomacy.

beeing able to control all of Europe is pretty powerful in my book

>Dominant power in europe
>No they aren`t
>Yes they are, look at this exampel
>That isn`t world diplomacy REEEEE
Are you retarded?

>this is unique to Germany
All of Western Europe is like this

Modern Germany is probably THE most influential nation in the world.

Yeah this is starting to get pretty stupid. Are you just a raging Germaboo or something?

Not him, but that's pretty fair. It's between the US and Germany and the US is looking pretty isolated at the moment.

I thought we are one of the most individualistic Nations on earth.

Not really dominant but having the highest pop makes something.

I might have exaggerated, but only slightly.

Yeah, no.

No, yes.

They don't control all of Europe, come on, you missed a lot of news. Pretty much every country in EU do whatever they want.

>look at this exampel
ONE example where one country talks with another, excuse me but this is anecdotal and doesn't reflect the world diplomacy at all.

lol

German kink is getting fucked by Europeans from every nation (more fun if her sister Austria and her friend Hungary is involved)

*single-handedly makes your country the biggest power in Europe*

Big population, huge resources, and at the forefront of scientific progress and industrialisation. They had a very militaristic leadership exacabated by their geographic position and long history of autocracy.

*kills your political career*

Heh, nothing personnal, kid

Germany has been historically powerful in spite of germs, not because of them.

By having responsible social markets and not falling for the neo-liberal sham that only works for Anglos and ravaged all other subhuman, Mediterranean and slavshit republics.

August 6th, 1939 was a Sunday. The daily mail didn't start printing on Sundays until 1982. Where did you find this quote?

The EU is literaly a US puppet state

I thought France was the traditional power on the continent for most of recent history.

>the dominant power in Europe?

LMAO


Try to remove the american bases in your country before calling yourself dominant kek

>dominant
did you mean dominated?

>Try to remove the american bases in your country before calling yourself dominant kek

No need your MAGA god will remove them himself.

>that autist
>having any power over NATO
You better hope he does if you dont want to pay your defence debt

;^)

Well, obiviously they don't have 100% control over other countries, but Germany has a lot of infulence in EU

Only as long as Germany wasn't united

>denbts
burgertard logic.

Shared culture is not the same as economic and political domination or hegemony of any kind.

Looks like youre going to have to pay your nato denbts, germ. Dont worry, Greece knows how you feel :^)

>again and again
Before the last century or so, Germany was never a major power. They were never able to compete significantly in colonial times with the British, French, Spanish, or Portuguese.

Hell, they weren't even a single country until the 1800s, they were a bunch of tiny states and kingdoms. The only other time you could say they were powerful maybe was the HRE, but again that was a short period of time. For most of history Germany was a backwater.

Though now and during WWII they seem formidable. But let's not talk about east Germany or the financial crisis after WWI. They weren't so dominant then.

>Germany has a lot of infulence in EU
Not IN the EU, but ON the EU, which makes a big difference. They have influence on a tool that everyone tries to bypass.

right after the wall is built and obamacare repealed, right? ;^)

G*rmans were always united and formed coallition against French, while French were never united

If French were united, they would have conquered Europe long ago

Before 1871, Germany didn't exist as a country

Germany has lots of influence on EU countries, due to EU devlopment funds and weaker European countries beeing integrated into German supply chain

And after all, britan will never leave the EU and afd is finished, right? ;^)

How is it related to Drumpf?

>Before 1871, Germany didn't exist as a country

>EU devlopment funds
They make absolutely whatever they want with that money, out of any political influence. This is why the EU is still a (bad) joke to this day and why Macron cried for more rules.

If you give somebody free money, you gain influence over him, since he gets used to the money and doesn't want you to take it away
Why do you think the west gives so much aid to developing nations

Because they are the biggest beneficiaries of open trade in the whole of Europe bar none. Modern post-WWII Germany is orthodox neo-liberal with their own twist on it,"Ordoliberalism", which basically means free trade abroad, strong unions and capitalist-union co-operation, that keep wages high. Japan has a sort of similar model but that is mostly between state and zaibatsu cooperation. In Germany the state handles education, pensions and is assisted by the banking sector in a very cost and benefit analysis.

For example in order to get a job you enter into an apprenticing system funded by the state. You want to subsidise capital in industry? How about you convince a major firm like Deutsche Bank to put stakes in that industry? After all you have state owned bonds and stocks in that bank.

This is the winning ticket of post-war German sucess, it ties politicians and bureaucrats in the State, heavy industry, and banking into one huge corporate alliance. Of course more traditional social democratic countries like France or Italy get outraged by Germany's economic model because they get the best economic deals out of the EU single market and because of their export based economy, that gets them huge trade surpluses and afford them extra influence within the EU.

Then why don't countries like France or Italy copy the German system?

>Why does the nation with the biggest population that sits in the middle of the continent dominate the continent?

This board is getting dumber as we speak.

>you gain influence over him
Yeah, Hungary, Bulgary, Poland, Greece etc are so much influenced... They take the billions and just say fuck off to anything else, read the news from time to time.

Yeah, they like to protest but in the end they do what Germany wants.
That happened with Greece, that will happen with Poland and Hungary

Amerisharts really have this apocalypse fetish.

>dominant power in europe
>never dominated europe
>always get their shit pushed in whenever they try to start something but never learn from it
>never even had a colonial empire like the big boys

Also to add to this why I separate Italy and France.

Both of these countries had huge economic influence in Europe during the 70's and early 80's but after the slow de-industrialization of Europe and opening up to trade they had to adjust their economies and they had two choices, either becoming primarily service sector and consumption based economies (like Britain) or keep the current model and make it more conservative towards the open market, this lead to social democracy in France with Mitterrand, and "years of lead" and destabilization in Italy with de-industrialization. Because Germany picked the third option, that is, becoming an export based economy they thrived after the cold war. Really it has nothing to do with re-unification, eastern Germany though prosperous did not have the big corporate firms of W.Germany and anything they had was sold off at minimum price. The situation then with Britain was about the same as today. Britain was declining economically and they tried to sabotage both the single market and German re-unification to stop the rise of a strong continental power (remember 1912?) Today, with Brexit is just another cycle of the same antagonism, only today's Britain is a joke geopolitically in Europe and abroad.

Because of internal tensions, and problem with unions/wages that Germany never had.

see

They have the largest population durr

>in the end they do what Germany wants
No they don't. They're supposed to do what the EU parliament says, not what Germany or anyone else says, and I insist on "supposed" because in the end there's nothing to enforce the european laws and, once again, they do whatever they want.

>either becoming primarily service sector and consumption based economies (like Britain)
since you seem to understand a lot about economics, could you explain how beeing a consumption based service sector economy actually work? I mean such a country produces basically nothing, yet consumes a lot, how can it work out in the long run?
Also, why did the de-industrialization of Europe happen in the first place? Is it because of cheaper labor cost in developing countries?

Because Whites arent culturless barbaric creatures like G*rms

In the end, Greece agreed to austerity, and lets see what will happen with Hungary and Poland

>>don't want illegal immigrants
>>EU gets mad and threatens you to take them
>>you're the bad guy in this story

>agree to something
>don't do it
>others get mad
>agree to something again
>don't do it
>others get mad again
>you aren't the bad guy in this story
??

>*autistic screeching*

Germany ceased to exist in 1918. Everything after that is an aberration, an insulting caricature of the true German Empire.

>Unironically posting a screenshot from /pol/
Well, I guess that's were most on Veeky Forums get their "knowledge" from, anyway...

Greece didn't agreed, they were forced, AFTER having feast with billions of aid. They have a big smile on their face.
> lets see what will happen
Yes, "let's see"... We are far from the "X dominates and commands" postulate now don't you think?

>I'm an autistic faggot and don't get a joke

I am certainly no expert in economics, what I know is mostly politics based so I couldn't for example explain to you the particulars, but I will try.

>I mean such a country produces basically nothing, yet consumes a lot, how can it work out in the long run?

Because consumption generates profit, in Britain the characteristic example is the City, it has huge property values all because it is a center of commerce. The liberalization of Britain under Thatcher served the purpose of putting everything for sale, privatising everything so that the act of buying and selling in the free market would generate not only "supposedly" optimal prices but also profit. You can see this with the debate they have with privatization of the NHS, it is purely a cost-benefit analysis for them, and a question of price (very similar to the debate in the USA), because when you have liberalised everything the only way to debate having social benefits is to haggle. This logic runs very deep in Britain ,and arguably also America.

>Also, why did the de-industrialization of Europe happen in the first place? Is it because of cheaper labor cost in developing countries?

Precisely, remember this is the decade of Deng Xiaoping and the rise of China. Also, huge revolution in electronics and change in technologies/automation. It was inevitable in a free market economy.

>The joke is so funny I'll post it until the end of time

>Greece didn't agreed, they were forced
I don't remember German Tanks rolling into Athen

They were simply forced by reality, not by anyone. At a certain point you need to do something to avoid the complete bankrupt.

Yes, and you can keep complaining about it like a bitch

>colonial era = high school
>colonies = girls
>treaty of versailles = germany getting cock blocked by chad just as he was about to fuck the cutest girl in school
>germany now = bitter and spiteful middle aged virgin who takes out his frustration on the rest of europe
how accurate is this?

Sounds to me as if Brits sold the wealth they amassed over centuries, and used the money to consume what other countries produce. Such a model isn't sustainable, is it?

>They were simply forced by reality
That's what you call beeing persuaded

you have a point

It depends, some have speculated that the whole Brexit thing is a strategy to make Britain into Europe's tax-haven. Other European countries like the Netherlands have pursued similar strategies, though the Netherlands also have also an export based economy like Germany's. Only time can tell if it can hold up.

Of course, but where is the initial postulate that "Germany dominates EU"?

Because Germany created the reality

Calm down, world economics isn't the fact of Germany.

The power of autism will always beat the forces of the anglo people

anglos are quite literally inferior. For centuries they have been isolated on their tiny rainy island only able to subjugate people with lesser technology

Merkel is literally the leader of the free world.

Try again sweetie.